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edpjr
07-14-2009, 10:00 AM
How nice of AOL to mention two Studebakers in the list of the 12 worst selling cars. Sure the Avanti had production problems, and yes they do mention car enthusiasts loved it. But somehow they overlooked the fact that the Avanti had probably the longest production run in US car history 1963-2006. They also mention the leaking sliding roof Wagonaires from 1963-66, and claim there were only 940 sold. Wow, I didn't know they were that few in number. I owned TWO of them in the 1970s. I junked one to fix up the other and sold it in 1983. AOL also addresses the AMC AMX and Marlin. I think the 68-70 AMX is a spectacular car.

http://autos.aol.com/?adl=43790&icid=main|main|dl4|link1|http%3A%2F%2Fautos.aol.com%2F%3Fadl%3D43790

4961Studebaker
07-14-2009, 10:08 AM
ah, you beat me too it. Just read the article, by Gary Hoffman

ChopStu
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Chris Pile
07-14-2009, 10:23 AM
What the AOHell do they know?

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
http://midwaystudebakers.tripod.com/

studeclunker
07-14-2009, 10:45 AM
You know, my mother used to say that one's opinion is a good example of why we wear underwear. There are some things that are best not exposed to the public. My friend George has a book called Lemons of the world or world's worst cars, something like that. He loves the book, I think its a waste of binding and boards. They pan the Avanti too, calling it particularly ugly, however the acknowledge that the styling was at least twenty years ahead of it's time. They also acknowledge that the car's main problem had to do with production issues in it's year of release. They panned the Pinto (a favourite to pick on by anyone) and the Pacer (another favourite victim) as well. These are the same people who call the Lark, "so ugly it's cute." That's the thing about these so-called experts. I'd like to know just what it is that makes them experts in the first place. Many of these people are mis-informed to downright ignorant and love to display it. My wife used to say that one never wants to write down anything that might be used against one, or displays thier stupidity. Advice, these so-called experts would do well to heed.;)

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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Bullet
07-14-2009, 10:45 AM
Just read the basphemy. I have owned four wagonaires and I lived in the Pacific NW where it rains all the time. Never had a problem!!!! This was in the 90's and early 2000's. UGH what do they know!

I even like the Prowler that they mention.

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Bill Pressler
07-14-2009, 10:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Bullet

Just read the basphemy. I have owned four wagonaires and I lived in the Pacific NW where it rains all the time. Never had a problem!!!! This was in the 90's and early 2000's. UGH what do they know!

I even like the Prowler that they mention.

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss93/mwarmann/scan0019-1.jpg


The number they quote for 1963-66 production, is 940. I know for a fact from reading it many times, is that that number is for 1966 production only. I believe there were something like 11,000 Wagonaires sold for the '63 model year alone.

Boobs.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1
'64 Daytona Hardtop

Swifster
07-14-2009, 11:11 AM
I wouldn't put any Studebaker on a list like that. While I may be partial, I've also seen enough cars that were just plain junk to fill a list like that. It's like the Edsel. Nothing wrong with the car that a different economy at that time wouldn't cure.

1) Pinto & Bobcat
2) Any car with a GM 5.7L diesel
3) Vega
4) Pacer
5)) GM X-cars (Citation, Phoenix, Omega & Skylark - 1980 & 1981 only)
6) 1984 Fiero
7) Any Cadillac with a 4.1L V8
8) Any Cadillac with a 4.5L V8
9) 1982-1984 Cadillac Cimarron
10) Any car built in 1957 by the Big 3

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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Roscomacaw
07-14-2009, 11:28 AM
I gave AOL some appropriate feedback.[}:)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

studeclunker
07-14-2009, 11:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

I wouldn't put any Studebaker on a list like that. While I may be partial, I've also seen enough cars that were just plain junk to fill a list like that. It's like the Edsel. Nothing wrong with the car that a different economy at that time wouldn't cure.



I agree completely. As to the Edsel; timing was the killer all round. Releasing it during a recession, no training for service staff on a car that had such advanced engineering, etc... Instead of becoming an example of execellent design, it became a by-word for a lemon.

I also have owned three slide-top wagons and one fixed-top. None of them has leaked through the roof. The doors definately! In fact, the floors suffered because of the doors. But no roof problems. I think some of the roof leaks can be traced to improper securing of the slider. I have found that it will leak if it isn't properly aligned and clamped down (up?).

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

edpjr
07-14-2009, 12:02 PM
How did you send feedback to AOL on this subject? About 13,000 SDC members, including me, need to do the same thing. Thanks!


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

I gave AOL some appropriate feedback.[}:)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Roscomacaw
07-14-2009, 12:42 PM
If you go to that page you posted a link to - look over at the very R/H side - at the top - it says "FEEDBACK" ;)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

jclary
07-14-2009, 12:55 PM
AOL???...Are they still in business? I switched to DSL years ago! Much less spam, unsolicited porn garbage, and faster Internet service since then.:):):)

John Clary
Greer, SC
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Life... is what happens as you are making plans.
SDC member since 1975

Chris Pile
07-14-2009, 01:27 PM
quote:]How did you send feedback to AOL on this subject? About 13,000 SDC members, including me, need to do the same thing. Thanks!


Just added my voice to the list of disgruntled Studebaker lovers giving feedback to AOHell for their stupid article.

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
http://midwaystudebakers.tripod.com/

edpjr
07-14-2009, 01:27 PM
Yes. Please every SDC member send AOL appropriate feedback for slamming our great cars. I sure did. :(


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

If you go to that page you posted a link to - look over at the very R/H side - at the top - it says "FEEDBACK" ;)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

fmarshall
07-14-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm donning my flame suit for what I am about to say.

The article is correct - based strictly on quantity sold. Those other cars mentioned above, like the Pinto were clearly no match for the quality of Studebaker. But, the article wasn't about performance, quality, or dependability. It was about worst sales of an American car. And the sales of the Studebaker Avanti were rather dismal.

While we can state that the Avanti continued for many years after Studebaker, it doesn't figure in that equation either.

Maybe a better article would be quickest failing automobile companies. Then Studebaker could wait out the pretenders like Dodge, GM, and maybe even Ford.



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63 Avanti R2, 4-Speed, 3.73 TT
Martinez, CA
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edpjr
07-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Don't you think there should be a measure of accuracy in the statements made, or do you really believe there were only 940 Wagonaires with sliding roofs made from 1963-66?


quote:Originally posted by fmarshall

I'm donning my flame suit for what I am about to say.

The article is correct - based strictly on quantity sold. Those other cars mentioned above, like the Pinto were clearly no match for the quality of Studebaker. But, the article wasn't about performance, quality, or dependability. It was about worst sales of an American car. And the sales of the Studebaker Avanti were rather dismal.

While we can state that the Avanti continued for many years after Studebaker, it doesn't figure in that equation either.

Maybe a better article would be quickest failing automobile companies. Then Studebaker could wait out the pretenders like Dodge, GM, and maybe even Ford.



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63 Avanti R2, 4-Speed, 3.73 TT
Martinez, CA
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/fmarshall_bucket/sigpic.jpg

hamhock
07-14-2009, 03:40 PM
quote:What the AOHell do they know?

Times two.

fmarshall
07-14-2009, 03:42 PM
Yep. They should have to get the numbers right.


quote:Originally posted by edpjr

Don't you think there should be a measure of accuracy in the statements made, or do you really believe there were only 940 Wagonaires with sliding roofs made from 1963-66?


quote:Originally posted by fmarshall

I'm donning my flame suit for what I am about to say.

The article is correct - based strictly on quantity sold. Those other cars mentioned above, like the Pinto were clearly no match for the quality of Studebaker. But, the article wasn't about performance, quality, or dependability. It was about worst sales of an American car. And the sales of the Studebaker Avanti were rather dismal.

While we can state that the Avanti continued for many years after Studebaker, it doesn't figure in that equation either.

Maybe a better article would be quickest failing automobile companies. Then Studebaker could wait out the pretenders like Dodge, GM, and maybe even Ford.



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63 Avanti R2, 4-Speed, 3.73 TT
Martinez, CA
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/fmarshall_bucket/sigpic.jpg




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63 Avanti R2, 4-Speed, 3.73 TT
Martinez, CA
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/fmarshall_bucket/sigpic.jpg

okc63avanti
07-14-2009, 07:31 PM
It's a good thing that AOL doesn't build cars! If they did and the acceleration was anything like their dial-up POS internet service, their acceleration from 0 to 60 MPH would be 10 ...... NOT 10 SECONDS TO 60 MPH BUT 10 MINUTES !!!!

<div align="left">John</div id="left">

<div align="left">'63 Avanti, R1, Auto, AC, PW (unrestored)</div id="left">
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Dwain G.
07-14-2009, 08:16 PM
If AOL Built Cars:

http://possumsal.homestead.com/Computer/comp18.html

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HEY, you're not Wilbur!

edpjr
07-14-2009, 09:19 PM
I think AOL should stick to crappy internet service. And to think, at one time I paid these clowns $20/mo for internet access....


quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

If AOL Built Cars:

http://possumsal.homestead.com/Computer/comp18.html

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff195/DwainG/MrEd.jpg
HEY, you're not Wilbur!

silverhawk
07-14-2009, 09:28 PM
Another thing about the avanti, wasn't it the R3 avanti the fastest production car built at its time?

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

ed ellis
07-15-2009, 09:22 AM
i guess my taste in cars truly sucks. besides my 53's and my 52 pickup i have 3 cars on the list: [1] 1968 AMX 390 automatic [2] 1969 AMX 390 4 spd [3] my everyday driver-- a 2003 Mercury Marauder. if you add the avanti i used to own i am batting 400. ed

edpjr
07-15-2009, 07:33 PM
You and me are on the same page. I think the AMX's are marvelous cars. I almost bought one about 5-6 years ago, but is was kinda rough and only had the 290 CID engine with 4 speed.


quote:Originally posted by ed ellis

i guess my taste in cars truly sucks. besides my 53's and my 52 pickup i have 3 cars on the list: [1] 1968 AMX 390 automatic [2] 1969 AMX 390 4 spd [3] my everyday driver-- a 2003 Mercury Marauder. if you add the avanti i used to own i am batting 400. ed

edpjr
07-15-2009, 07:36 PM
Somehow, I thought there might be a little more anger from the SDC members that could be relayed to AOL. Of course, I own one of those turquoise Avantis like shown in their pic. At the very least AOL should get their facts straight.:(