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7998
06-12-2009, 11:34 AM
Check it out and let me know. Note the bondo on the passenger side fender(Not that you could miss it)
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st2DSCF0839.jpg[/url

[url]http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st3DSCF0841.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st8oldcar2004.jpg

7998
06-12-2009, 11:39 AM
Check out the rust hole in the upper drivers fender towards the door.


http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st16oldcar2010.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st19DSCF0840.jpg

barnlark
06-12-2009, 11:43 AM
Welcome. Looking to buy it? One 1959-1960 hubcap, is that what it is, a '59-'60 Hawk? How much?

7998
06-12-2009, 11:44 AM
What cool looking dash. Also note the driver and passenger side door panel appear to be different(Pass. has white insert?)
And I'm dying to know what the that big fluted spaure thing goes to in the last picture.
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st5DSCF0843.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st4DSCF0842.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/Stude/st14oldcar2005.jpg

7998
06-12-2009, 11:46 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Welcome. Looking to buy it? One 1959-1960 hubcap, is that what it is, a '59-'60 Hawk? How much?

Yes I'm interested in maybe buying it. I'm following you with the hubcap part though.

barnlark
06-12-2009, 11:49 AM
The other three look like '61s.

7998
06-12-2009, 11:49 AM
I'm trying to get some opinions from you nice Studebaker people as to whether it's a wreck or not.

barnlark
06-12-2009, 11:50 AM
Details? Are these your pictures? What does the tag on the firewall look like? Have an engine pic?

7998
06-12-2009, 11:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

The other three look like '61s.


Do you know what square fluted thing is in the last picture?

And here is my post from this morning
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29937

JDP
06-12-2009, 11:53 AM
Don't take this the wrong way, but it'll cost more to restore the example pictured then a buying a more solid car would. As a guide, here's a rust free 61 I just sold for $5000 and that's about the cost of new sheet metal and chrome on the car pictured. Of course, not saying cost is the only thing to think about, but it a factor.

http://www.stude.com/61/

JDP/Maryland

7998
06-12-2009, 11:54 AM
No these are not my pictures. It is a 1961 Hawk that I'm interested in buying. So far everybody has been very helpful in giving me a crash course in Studebakers and living with them.

barnlark
06-12-2009, 11:57 AM
Ok, didn't connect the two posts. Looks like plenty of work ahead of you, but not a wreck. How are the floors and frame? To me, $1500. tops, but I'm not a Hawk owner. As BP stated, fairly rare and unique being a '61.

7998
06-12-2009, 11:59 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Don't take this the wrong way, but it'll cost more to restore the example pictured then a buying a more solid car would. As a guide, here's a rust free 61 I just sold for $5000 and that's about the cost of new sheet metal and chrome on the car pictured. Of course, not saying cost is the only thing to think about, but it a factor.

http://www.stude.com/61/

JDP/Maryland

Thats what another member told me as well. But darn them Hawks are cool looking cars. I'm 34y/o with a wife and kids. I just sold all my toys(Camaro, and a Triumph). I've been looking to get something else that I could tinker with. "BUT", I have to admit, as much as I like to tinker I hate Body work. I've had 60 cars and 9 of them were Camaros. As much as I love them I was thinking about getting something different on the cheap and taking my time to fix it up.

7998
06-12-2009, 12:02 PM
They're firm at $2000.00 Barn. JD, that looks like a real nice one for $5k, it's shame its sold.

barnlark
06-12-2009, 12:04 PM
Even the good ones have plenty of tinkering to do on them! If you've had 60 cars at 34, you know that. What JDP said..find a rust free one for 5K or around there and have fun fixing it from there. [8D]

StudeRich
06-12-2009, 12:07 PM
There is no doubt that this IS a '61 just missing the dual mouldings on the lower part of the fins and they may be in those too much sun cellphone pics the seller gave you.

The reason I can say that almost positively, is that the right door panel has the Silver trim "circle" only '61's have and it has the '61 Steering Wheel, the wheel covers often lose their black paint over the years or have been easily changed for "nicer" ones.

The Serial number plate on the drivers' door post should say "61Vxxxxx" for an eight cyl. '61 Studebaker. :)

StudeRich

barnlark
06-12-2009, 12:24 PM
Rich, would you even think about 2K for this?

barnlark
06-12-2009, 12:32 PM
It is listed as a '61, so that's accurate from the other thread. Three wheel covers are '61 originals.. odd for one to be stripped of all black. The radio is a '58-'60. Are those original '61 interior panels? All those are the least of his problems, though. Lots of Hawks for sale in TW, Craigslist and Hemmings.

7998
06-12-2009, 12:34 PM
Hey Barn, I know Hemmings and CL, but what is TW?

Anne F. Goodman
06-12-2009, 12:51 PM
Turning Wheels the magazine devoted to Studebakers.
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7882

Mabel 1949 Champion
Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
Gus 1958 Transtar
The Prez 1955 President State
Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
Daisy 1954 Commander Regal Coupe
Fresno,Ca
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/xmasannecopy.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/GusMater.jpghttp://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/th_DSCN17232008-01-01.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/54%20Commander%20Regal%20Coupe/3539580552_f5500eb0d8-1-1.jpg

barnlark
06-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Now...she knows about HAWKS, Justin! Thanks Anne.

7998
06-12-2009, 01:03 PM
Thanks Anne

studegary
06-12-2009, 01:53 PM
My advise is to look for something better, even if you have to have it shipped. Cross country shipping is about the same as a pair of those front fenders.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Michidan
06-12-2009, 01:59 PM
One of my favorite Studebakers. I am restoring a car that started out worse, however 11 years now and still haven't driven it.
Lot so work needed here. Only you can decide on the effort required here or getting a better one.
Go see it up close and check the frame. Pictures cannot tell the whole story.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/loraxdan66/signature3.jpg
www.studebakerhardtop.com

StudHawk60
06-12-2009, 02:33 PM
Justin, as a suggestion, if you haven't already done so, consider joining the Studebaker Drivers Club. You get the magazine, Turning Wheels, every month. As a member you also get a free ad in TW. When I was looking for a Hawk, I placed an ad in the "vehicles wanted" section. I received about 24 replies from people willing to sell me their Hawk. Out of those 24, only 4 of them were actually advertised as being for sale. You'd be surprised what's out there.

candbstudebakers
06-12-2009, 02:51 PM
The seats are not 61, also is there under side rust???

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/IM000994-1-1.jpg

StudeRich
06-12-2009, 03:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Rich, would you even think about 2K for this?


Not on my RICHEST day, Dave! :D

StudeRich

Collection Doctor
06-12-2009, 08:06 PM
This appears to be the car that has been advertised on the Delaware Craigslist for some time. As I recall, it started out at at least $3,500 and has been moving down ever since. I believe it has a new engine and transmission. As others have mentioned, rust is not your friend.

7998
06-12-2009, 08:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by Collection Doctor

This appears to be the car that has been advertised on the Delaware Craigslist for some time. As I recall, it started out at at least $3,500 and has been moving down ever since. I believe it has a new engine and transmission. As others have mentioned, rust is not your friend.


That would be the one Doc. I'm moving on and waiting for the right one.

7998
06-12-2009, 08:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

The seats are not 61, also is there under side rust???

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/IM000994-1-1.jpg


Sorry I couldn't say as I didn't look at it.

valleyguy
06-13-2009, 07:18 AM
My Hawk looked about this bad when I bought it years ago. Then there is all the unseen damage to deal with when you starting taking it apart.

Based on my experience and outlay of money, I would recommend you pass on this one, especially if you don't like body work.

Joe D.