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Skinnys Garage
05-27-2009, 05:50 PM
Hello everyone, after about 30 years of dragging my feet, I finally joined the SDC. I've enjoyed reading the forum for a while now and decided join in the fun here too! My Stude history starts with my '59 Lark VIII that my uncle gave me on my 15th birthday about 30 years ago as my first car and I still own it. I actually claimed it much earlier, I've included a picture of me with it in about 1968. The next photo is as it sits at the moment, so I won't be driving it to Cedar Rapids, but I will be there! The last photo is of my '60 ('59 front clip) "Marshal" (production order verified numbers matching 289 4bl) and my recently sold '60 V8 convertible. I've also got a couple '62 V8 4-doors (one cruiser) mostly for parts. I decided to let my convert go, so that I could focus on my '59 and my special ordered '60. Over the years I had a nice '63 Cruiser and a '50 Champion 2-door sedan (only 6 cylinder Stude I ever had!) I hope to fit in and will try and be helpful if I can. Thanks, Skinny
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/mytrikeLark.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/resting.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/mygarage.jpg

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

bams50
05-27-2009, 06:00 PM
Welcome from a Lark fanatic! I looked at your convertible a few times, it was just a little too far away from me here in NY.

Being that you know how, and are willing, to share pictures, you'll do just fine here!:D

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

41 Frank
05-27-2009, 06:07 PM
Welcome to the Forum and the SDC, you'll like this place.:) See you in Cedar Rapids?

Frank van Doorn
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1963 Daytona Conv
1941 Champion R-2 Rod

JBOYLE
05-27-2009, 06:10 PM
Welcome

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Skinnys Garage
05-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Thanks, I used the video tutorial on how to insert photos and it helped a lot! I look forward to meeting other Lark fans, far and few between around here!

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

silverhawk
05-27-2009, 06:49 PM
Welcome to the forum! You got some sweet projects, and as far as fitting in, it looks like you got that covered already.:)

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

2R5
05-27-2009, 07:13 PM
Ah , a man with a TV in his garage ...welcome ...nice cars ! :D



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"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

mbstude
05-27-2009, 07:14 PM
No wonder everyone thinks Larks are Ramblers.. Just look at the hubcaps in the first pic! :D

Welcome aboard. That '60 two door sounds pretty cool.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/tiny.jpg

barnlark
05-27-2009, 07:19 PM
Welcome Skinny. You have great taste in Larks and family pictures. ;):D

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSC_0012_1-1.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0351.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0043-1.jpg




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Jimmie
05-27-2009, 07:45 PM
WELCOME ABOARD!

Good to have you join the forum. I think you will like it here.

I just took my 50 Champion to get its final bodywork and paint job. Hope to have it back ASAP so I can get the new interior and new wireing harness installed along with some other things like windows and chrome. Chrome is at the shop being redone.

Hoping for June 27th but unlikely so shooting for July 4th so it can drive it on International Drive Your Studebaker Day!!


Jimmie
Orleans, Indiana



quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage

Hello everyone, after about 30 years of dragging my feet, I finally joined the SDC. I've enjoyed reading the forum for a while now and decided join in the fun here too! My Stude history starts with my '59 Lark VIII that my uncle gave me on my 15th birthday about 30 years ago as my first car and I still own it. I actually claimed it much earlier, I've included a picture of me with it in about 1968. The next photo is as it sits at the moment, so I won't be driving it to Cedar Rapids, but I will be there! The last photo is of my '60 ('59 front clip) "Marshal" (production order verified numbers matching 289 4bl) and my recently sold '60 V8 convertible. I've also got a couple '62 V8 4-doors (one cruiser) mostly for parts. I decided to let my convert go, so that I could focus on my '59 and my special ordered '60. Over the years I had a nice '63 Cruiser and a '50 Champion 2-door sedan (only 6 cylinder Stude I ever had!) I hope to fit in and will try and be helpful if I can. Thanks, Skinny
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/mytrikeLark.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/resting.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/mygarage.jpg

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Jim%20Judy/Picture1.jpg
1950 CHAMPION -ORANGE COUNTY, INDIANA

showbizkid
05-27-2009, 07:56 PM
Welcome aboard! Wow, another Marshal to add to the list. It's good to have you here, Skinny.


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
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www.studebakersandiego.com

BobPalma
05-27-2009, 08:24 PM
:) Welcome aboard, Scott. That is very cool, your owning a real 289-powered 1960 Marshal. We knew they were available, but yours is the first documented one I've heard of in almost 50 years of looking for one (not to buy; just to verify their having been produced). :DBP

barnlark
05-27-2009, 09:15 PM
Exactly, Bob! Skinny, we would love to see the production order, buddy. [^][^]

Skinnys Garage
05-27-2009, 09:18 PM
I knew the Rambler hubcaps would get noticed! Trust me I relate to the recent thread about "experts" explaining to me what my car is! When I got the car I took some gray duct tape (poor 15yr olds chrome) and covered the centers, then added a lazy S with a black marker (still have those too!)

Thanks for all the great comments, it's always fun talkin Studebakers. I've searched the forum and the internet for info on '60 Larks with 289's and have always found very little info that they were actually made, so I thought I'd offer mine as confirmation. The 289 is only part of the story on this car. It has a 2 page production order with about every heavy duty part available. The other cool thing is the special P 6001 paint code. It was special ordered in Hawaiian Green (a '59 color) with velvet black wheels, not body color. It was tagged for the city of Milwaukee, so all I can figure is that they had a bunch of Hawaiian Green '59's in service and wanted it to match. Any thoughts?

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

bams50
05-27-2009, 09:57 PM
Here's a thought- sell it to me!!![:p]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

8E45E
05-27-2009, 09:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage
The 289 is only part of the story on this car. It has a 2 page production order with about every heavy duty part available. The other cool thing is the special P 6001 paint code. It was special ordered in Hawaiian Green (a '59 color) with velvet black wheels, not body color. It was tagged for the city of Milwaukee, so all I can figure is that they had a bunch of Hawaiian Green '59's in service and wanted it to match. Any thoughts?



First of all, welcome to SDC and the Forum!![^] You have an extremely interesting '60 Lark!! I, for one would also like to see the production order on it, since I like the 'odd & unusual'. Here I thought it was only Cadillac that offered a buyer the option of ordering a brand new one in a previous year,s color.

Craig.

Skinnys Garage
05-27-2009, 10:46 PM
I scanned the production order exactly as it came from the museum except for whiting out the VIN#. Any X-ing out or typed in print was all done at the factory. I wasn't completely surprised when I first saw the PO because nearly all of the things on the list are still on the car, but don't get me wrong, I was very happy! I could use a little help figuring out the "refer to deviation 4664 on special equipment" at the bottom of the second page. Also, why do most of the special options have the same code 90? Any help would be great.
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/60marshalpo.jpg


http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

R3 challenger
05-27-2009, 10:51 PM
Welcome to SDC! Love your Larks....that's a cool '60 289 2-door. I was with my dad in a Studebaker showroom on February 27, 1960, when he special-ordered a Colonial Red 1960 Lark Deluxe 2-door sedan. Only a few options: 259 V8, Power Kit (dual exhaust & 4-barrel), heater and HD springs. I still have all the original paperwork. If we had waited one month we could have ordered the newly-available 289. Darn.

Good luck, & hope to meet you sometime.

George

george krem

8E45E
05-27-2009, 11:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage

I scanned the production order exactly as it came from the museum except for whiting out the VIN#. Any X-ing out or typed in print was all done at the factory. I wasn't completely surprised when I first saw the PO because nearly all of the things on the list are still on the car, but don't get me wrong, I was very happy!

Thanks for posting that! Indeed, most interesting car! Can you reach the pedals with that seat mounted in the 'rearmost position'??[:0]

Craig

whacker
05-27-2009, 11:15 PM
Hello from Sioux City, if you are ever in town, look me up!

Mark57
05-27-2009, 11:21 PM
Welcome! :) I am envious of that clean garage. [^][8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
http://sdcvi.shawwebspace.ca/ </h5>

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStore1Thumb.jpg

ChampTrucking
05-28-2009, 06:50 AM
Neat! I wanna play Studebakers in your garage!!

barnlark
05-28-2009, 08:01 AM
That is one interesting PO! Your codes are interesting, too. I have a 289 in my '60, too, but it is an early '62 version from a GT Hawk.
I am fascinated by how they listed the 289 with the dual exhaust. Mine came with the power kit (dual exhaust w/4 barrell carb) and was simply listed as code 26: Power Kit. My dealer ordering chart only lists codes 17 through 80 for passenger cars only. Can't help with code 90. Studebaker Wheel will be able to, however, if he spots this. That's the first that I've seen an alternator on a 1960 PO. I bet your 4664 is a fleet deviation. I couldn't find it in any of my literature, though. I would love to have all those 1960 special code and number charts.
Thanks for posting that historical purchase order. [^]
Like BP said, we've been waiting 50 years to not just say, "could have been ordered with a 289 engine." We now have proof.
Also proof of never say never with a Studebaker. [8D]

BobPalma
05-28-2009, 08:24 AM
:) "Neat" Production Order indeed.

While there are many interesting curiosities, I note four:

1. The car was tagged for a snowy climate (Milwaukee; we assume Wisconsin), but Twin Traction was not specified. That's odd.

2. The 3.07:1 axle would indicate high-speed road intentions, not necessarily city patrol. You do become curious as to the intended use!

3. It sure took them long enough to build it; it was specified almost three months before the final assembly day! Sales weren't that good in late spring 1960, so you wonder if the 289 engine held things up until they got some 289s on their way to the Lark line for the 1961 Cruiser? I wouldn't think so, but I'm trying to speculate as to why the long production delay.

4. In all honesty, I believe that is the first postwar, two-page Production Order I've seen. The P.O. for the Cambridge Grey / Red Leather-trimmed 1956 Golden Hawk my Dad sold new (S/N 6032356) is crammed all around the margins with notes it was so complicated, but they did fit it all on one page. By 1960, perhaps they figured they were making enough money they could afford a second sheet of paper for a given car, if necessary!;)

It is really great (and miraculous) that this car survives. A fleet order for such a car going to salty Milwaukee would seem to be a sure kiss of death, but this one dodged the bullet...er, salt truck...good!

Again, Scott; congrats on an interesting car and welcome aboard. :DBP

4961Studebaker
05-28-2009, 08:43 AM
welcome to the forum and the club.

Were a different breed, especially us Lark lovers. [:p][:0]:D[8D]

ChopStu
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studeclunker
05-28-2009, 08:46 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mark57

Welcome! :) I am envious of that clean garage. [^][8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
http://sdcvi.shawwebspace.ca/ </h5>

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStore1Thumb.jpg


Clean[?] Hell, I'd be ecstatic just to have a garage!;)

Oh yeah, and welcome!:D Is that dapper young fella on the trike you? I used to have one of those too!:D Wore it out completely!

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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Skinnys Garage
05-28-2009, 09:20 AM
Thanks again to everyone that's commented on my cars and garage. The pic with the '60s was taken a few years ago before I started "filling" in the spaces with "stuff":D The pic with my '59 buried is that same part of the garage now. The other side out of frame has a bunch of cool stuff in it also including my brand X (second car I ever owned), a second TV and AC! I've got to go for now, but I'll try and post some more this evening.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

clonelark
05-28-2009, 09:44 AM
What a neat 60, Love that Lark

http://i39.tinypic.com/2qjzji8.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2zho7fc.jpg

barnlark
05-28-2009, 10:01 AM
Scott, I know it's a pain to look, but even though your production order doesn't specify a Twin Traction, what does your differential tag look like on that 44?

Warren Webb
05-28-2009, 11:46 AM
Interesting too that the front seat cushion is listed twice-items # 58 & 90! Great info & may I add my welcome also! Thanks so much for sharing & adding to our knowledge. Makes me need to find the picture of my first car, also a 59 Lark.

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

8E45E
05-28-2009, 01:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by Warren Webb

Interesting too that the front seat cushion is listed twice-items # 58 & 90!


Hmm.....maybe THAT'S why it states to 'mount in the rear-most position'!![8D]

Craig

8E45E
05-28-2009, 01:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

3. It sure took them long enough to build it; it was specified almost three months before the final assembly day! Sales weren't that good in late spring 1960, so you wonder if the 289 engine held things up until they got some 289s on their way to the Lark line for the 1961 Cruiser? I wouldn't think so, but I'm trying to speculate as to why the long production delay.



With all that special order equipment and color, I wonder if it was originally entered as a Quotation for the City of Milwakee first, and then underwent nearly three months of "budgetary approval" before the order got placed!!:)

Craig

tutone63
05-28-2009, 02:16 PM
I will throw my hat in as an avid Lark lover! Love that Marshall!! Like BP mentioned, it looks like it might have been used for "pursuit" use!! Fun fun! Welcome!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpghttp://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/n1005314212_30160111_518999.jpghttp://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/images/smilies/035.gif


1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Now that the salt is off the roads, she is getting back into regular rotation!

Roscomacaw
05-28-2009, 02:38 PM
"Hello everyone, after about 30 years of dragging my feet, I finally joined the SDC."[:0]

Well Skinny, you've gone thru a BUNCH of shoes, or you've got some bodacious callouses on your feet! Either way, welcome to the fold. Cool cars![8D]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

BobPalma
05-28-2009, 08:40 PM
:) BINGO, SCOTT! If you had been an SDC member three years ago, you would have seen your car as one of the five 1960 Lark Police cars, lined up for their official Milwaukee presentation, shown inside the back cover of the March 2006 Turning Wheels!

Yep, take a look: By every specification we can see in that period black & white photo, yours was undoubtedly one of those cars. The colors look light (Hawaiian Green would photograph light in B&W), black wheels, front & rear bumper guards, etc. Check it out.

(With thanks to Forum Lurker Tom Beckman, Studebaker National Museum Andy Beckman's older brother. Tom sent me a PM, saying he "thought he remembered a photo of those cars in a Turning Wheels article," and I was able to find it.) :DBP

barnlark
05-28-2009, 08:46 PM
Now, that's cool.

Skinnys Garage
05-28-2009, 10:06 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the March '06 TW photo! If I remember right, I remember seeing that photo and thought that's probably what my car looked like back in the day. What I didn't know then was that my car was from Milwaukee, so I didn't make the connection. I need to get that issue or a copy of the original photo - if my car IS in the shot how cool would that be![:p] I'll need to move a few thing this weekend and check out the tags on the 44. I know I checked it once and I don't believe it has a TT, but the older I get the more my memory gets clogged up with "useless" information, so I can't remember for sure. By the way, I was asked if that was me on the trike next to my Lark and the answer is yes. That seat position note on the production order is kinda funny, I guess they didn't trust the dealership to handle it! Anyway thanks again to everyone for all the posts. Maybe I'll have to snap a picture of my Offy equipped (intake and valve covers) '63 full flow 289 that's going in my '59. I was wondering how well an R1 cam would work with a stock '59-'60 torque converter. If I can get a little lope out of it without chugging at the stoplights, I might put one in.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

8E45E
05-28-2009, 10:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage
I need to get that issue or a copy of the original photo - if my car IS in the shot how cool would that be![:p]


I believe Richard Quinn can help you out with obtaining a copy from the original negative. And he may have more from the Milwaukee PD Studebakers in his archives.

Craig

Skinnys Garage
05-28-2009, 10:45 PM
Thanks Craig, I'll send him an e-mail - can't hurt to ask. Bob, do the cars in the photo have the emergency lights (cherries) mounted on the roof? The holes are there on mine and I would love to find the original style light-siren setup if possible.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

BobPalma
05-29-2009, 05:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage

Bob, do the cars in the photo have the emergency lights (cherries) mounted on the roof? The holes are there on mine and I would love to find the original style light-siren setup if possible.

Skinny
Watertown, SD


:) Yes; the picture is excellent. It shows the huge sirens on the RF fenders and bubble gum machines in the center of the roofs. (Five seemingly identical cars lined up for a group photo.)

As Craig said, I'm sure Dick Quinn will be able to sell you a copy of the print. :DBP

8E45E
05-29-2009, 07:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) BINGO, SCOTT! If you had been an SDC member three years ago, you would have seen your car as one of the five 1960 Lark Police cars, lined up for their official Milwaukee presentation, shown inside the back cover of the March 2006 Turning Wheels!

Yep, take a look: By every specification we can see in that period black & white photo, yours was undoubtedly one of those cars. The colors look light (Hawaiian Green would photograph light in B&W), black wheels, front & rear bumper guards, etc. Check it out.



Okay Bob, you got my interest up enough to go and look for my March 2006 TW. At that, I may as well scan it and post it here.:D After staring at this picture, it appears only the nearest and MAYBE the rearmost car has a spotlight mounted on it. And I see Scott's car still has a spotlight mounted in the exact same location as the foreground car!![:0]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3591/3575956048_fe28e29e33_b.jpg

Craig

BobPalma
05-29-2009, 07:49 AM
:) There's an interesting element of tire technology to be seen on that first car, Craig. Tire manufacturing has become so precise that tires today almost never need as large a balance weight as can be seen on the RR of that car.

Even the cheapest of today's tires rarely need more than an ounce, maybe an ounce and a half. But that weight on the subject car looks to be every bit of 2.5 ounces, and that's the weight we can see on this side of the wheel! :DBP

barnlark
05-29-2009, 07:52 AM
Thanks, Craig, mine are buried in plastic containers in the basement. What a great shot and how great that this car is still around....and with a, FINALLY, SDC and new Forum member. [8D][8D][8D]

BobPalma
05-29-2009, 08:15 AM
:) Well, Craig; I wonder about the spotlight issue. The Prodction Order for Scott's car does not specify a spotlight. (AC2918 is a Stratoline Exterior Rear-View Mirror; the only item not described on the P.O.)

So Scott's car may be one of the three cars without a spotlight and it was added later, or it may have been built with the car and not specified on the Production Order. :DBP

8E45E
05-29-2009, 08:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Well, Craig; I wonder about the spotlight issue. The Prodction Order for Scott's car does not specify a spotlight. (AC2918 is a Stratoline Exterior Rear-View Mirror; the only item not described on the P.O.)

So Scott's car may be one of the three cars without a spotlight and it was added later, or it may have been built with the car and not specified on the Production Order. :DBP


I wonder if "Refer to Deviation 4664 on Special Equipment" can be located. Perhaps the spotlight and the siren is that 'special equipment'.:)

Craig

Skinnys Garage
05-29-2009, 08:22 AM
Thanks for posting the photo Craig! If you look really close to the second car you can see the outline of the spotlight in the down position, so I'm guessing that they all had spotlights. I contacted Richard about the photo and he sent me the info on the back of the pic with the file number for the Studebaker archives. It indicates that this is photo #3 in a series, so there my be more pics of these very cars. I'm going to contact Andy and see if he will check the file for me and have some prints made from the negatives. The holes for the light and antenna on my car are all in the exact position of the photo. Now I suppose I'll have to go through my wheel collection and find one that takes that amount of weight, so I can match the pic!!:D

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

BobPalma
05-29-2009, 08:23 AM
:) Here's additional information from Tom Beckman that was included in his original e-mail alerting me to this possibility. (Tom lives not too far from the subject location):

"The police station in that photo is on Vliet Street and is just east of the Wauwatosa/Milwaukee dividing line. This is about 3 miles from where I work.

I did the engineering on an addition to the building a while back, so I recognized the photo location. It is now known as the Radio Repair building."

Thanks again, Tom. :DBP

Skinnys Garage
05-29-2009, 09:17 AM
A friend of mine is a Deputy Sheriff and when he got his new Crown Vic a couple years ago it came with the special ordered police package, but no "jewelry". He had the option of installing all the lights, radios, graphics etc.(purchased from a patrol supply house by the department) himself or having the local service center for the cars do it. He's a car guy, so he did the install himself. I'm guessing that this is the way it's been done for years and that the cars didn't roll out the door with these parts installed. They may have had the spotlights installed by there service dept along with all the other cop car stuff and that could explain the missing spotlight on the build sheet. But maybe the deviation 4664 does indicate a fully "dressed" cop car. I'll keep digging for info. The only sad part of this saga is now my car isn't so special:( there are 4 more just like it!!!!!:D

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

52-fan
05-29-2009, 10:04 AM
It's unique because it survived. Cool piece with an interesting history.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg
1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

8E45E
05-29-2009, 01:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage

A friend of mine is a Deputy Sheriff and when he got his new Crown Vic a couple years ago it came with the special ordered police package, but no "jewelry". He had the option of installing all the lights, radios, graphics etc.(purchased from a patrol supply house by the department) himself or having the local service center for the cars do it. He's a car guy, so he did the install himself. I'm guessing that this is the way it's been done for years and that the cars didn't roll out the door with these parts installed. They may have had the spotlights installed by there service dept along with all the other cop car stuff and that could explain the missing spotlight on the build sheet. But maybe the deviation 4664 does indicate a fully "dressed" cop car. I'll keep digging for info. The only sad part of this saga is now my car isn't so special:( there are 4 more just like it!!!!!:D


Don't feel bad!! CHP goes through approximately 800 new cop cars a year!! One of the stops for the Friday AM ASC tour at the 2003 International Meet was the CHP facilities at Sacremento. We got to see the prodution line where brand new Crown Vics got dressed with graphics, lights, push bars, etc.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3367/3577421256_3d5666d513_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3326/3577422480_8768ef78bc_b.jpg

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Craig.

showbizkid
05-29-2009, 01:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage:

The only sad part of this saga is now my car isn't so special there are 4 more just like it!!!!!


Well - there WERE 4 others. But you now, in all likelihood, own the only extant example. Take cheer in that!


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
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www.studebakersandiego.com

studegary
05-29-2009, 01:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by R3 challenger

Welcome to SDC! Love your Larks....that's a cool '60 289 2-door. I was with my dad in a Studebaker showroom on February 27, 1960, when he special-ordered a Colonial Red 1960 Lark Deluxe 2-door sedan. Only a few options: 259 V8, Power Kit (dual exhaust & 4-barrel), heater and HD springs. I still have all the original paperwork. If we had waited one month we could have ordered the newly-available 289. Darn.

Good luck, & hope to meet you sometime.

George

george krem


I believe that for the 1961 model year Larks, the 289 was only optional on the Cruiser (for normal, retail delivery).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

8E45E
05-29-2009, 01:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid


quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage:

The only sad part of this saga is now my car isn't so special there are 4 more just like it!!!!!


Well - there WERE 4 others. But you now, in all likelihood, own the only extant example. Take cheer in that!



Even if a second, or a third one happened to surface, it would not be a bad thing at all. Two or more exactly identical cars parked next to each other at an SDC meet would draw more crowds than just one by itself, especially they're 'special order' cars that will most likely have sequential serial numbers!![^]

Craig

BobPalma
05-29-2009, 04:07 PM
:) More information about this arrived today from Tom Beckman. Tom heard from Keith Kichefski. Here is what Keith adds to the discussion:


From: Keith Kichefski
[mailto:keithk55@yahoo.com]
Subject: Skinny's Milwaukee Lark.

Hi, Tom. I never signed up for posting on the forum, but I thought I would chime in. As I recall, all uniform squads for the City of Milwaukee were white. The cars ordered for detective use were various colors throughout time.

This is still true today, although some uniform squads are being repainted to black and white to suit the new Police Chief. At one time on the [b]Tracks Ahead TV show on PBS, they had a video segment of the Electroliner passenger train, in color. It showed one of the white Lark Milwaukee squads, rounding a corner in the background. I'm sure the video is on the net someplace.

Even though Skinny's Lark shows extra foam in the seat, I was told the officers assigned to the cars complained of back-aches. This probably lead to better seats starting in 1962.

The lack of Twin Traction doesn't surprise me. My 1964 Marshal didn't have TT either. It is my understanding, on an icy street, it could cause the car to spin out, if both wheels broke loose in a turn.

I was told by Jane Neustedter, the daughter of the owner (Eric Bonow) of Vliet Street Motors, that they sold the fleet order for those 1960 Larks to Milwaukee. In fact, the zone manager asked them, as a favor, to take two of the 1964 Marshal demo units. She reluctantly did, figuring they would be hard to sell. She said both sold quickly.

Mine was tagged for the State of Illinois. The sister car was tagged for the State of Wisconsin. The Wisconsin car was an oddball, as it had stick on the column. That was originally WI highway patrol grey with black. For what it's worth, the WI highway patrol continued to buy cars with stick on the column, up to 1967 Chevy Biscaynes with 427. The first automatic cars were 1968 Plymouths with 440.

As you know, Andy had tracked down the 1964 Larks, the city of Milwaukee tried out. As far as I know, Gerry Garske's Challenger is the only one of those to survive.

Here is the dealer's address:
Vliet Street Motors, Inc.
6127 West Vliet Street
Milwaukee (Wauwatosa) 13, Wisconsin
Ph. GLenview 3-6110

(s) Keith Kichefski

Thanks, Tom and Keith, for the additional info. :DBP

barnlark
05-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by BobPalma

:) More information about this arrived today from Tom Beckman. Tom heard from Keith Kichefski. Here is what Keith adds to the discussion:

"... As I recall, all uniform squads for the City of Milwaukee were white. The cars ordered for detective use were various colors throughout time."


One thing is clear from that P.O. about color, it was originally green as it is today. This is a good one to sleuth. Where was this car's original destination in the city fleet, if those police cars were actually White Sand?

8E45E
05-29-2009, 07:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
In fact, the zone manager asked them, as a favor, to take two of the 1964 Marshal demo units. She reluctantly did, figuring they would be hard to sell. She said both sold quickly.

The sister car was tagged for the State of Wisconsin. The Wisconsin car was an oddball, as it had stick on the column. That was originally WI highway patrol grey with black.


This car was at the International Meet in South Bend in 1983. It has the HD column shift was from Wisconsin at the time. This car also appeared to be a very light gray originally.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/2367709382_fd2042f78c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2364577063_6f32d07d01_b.jpg

Craig

Skinnys Garage
05-29-2009, 08:50 PM
Keith is probably right on the color for Milwaukee's police cars being white. I looked very close at the PO where the X-ing is and it clearly shows it was originally ordered White Sand with Velvet Black on the next line without the wheels note. That could mean that my car is NOT in the photo unless the light green looks about the same in a black and white photo. I got an e-mail back from Richard at TW and he gave me the Studebaker archive file number for the cover photo. There is a possibility that there are more photo's of these cars as the cover shot was listed with a number 3 (possibly a series of pics). I e-mailed the number to Andy at the archives with hopes of purchasing a copy of one or more pics of these cars (even if mine's not one of them:(). Who knows maybe mine is the only green one (or 289 one)! I looked at the car today and the doors themselves do look like they were resprayed early in it's life. There is a faint over spray on an oil change sticker with 26600 miles, but no tell tail signs of any lettering. Thanks again for every ones input and help. I'll keep digging.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

Skinnys Garage
05-29-2009, 09:56 PM
I could be starting to see things with all this excitement, but in the old police photo, does the second to the last car behind the "Chief" look like the color is a little bit darker shade than the front three? Like I said, I'm probably seeing things, but if more photos surface it could help with the ID.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

barnlark
05-29-2009, 11:10 PM
Scott, I've seen Jonquil Yellow look like White Sand in black and white photographs, but I would think Hawaiian Green would be more light gray than that TW print looks. That's without seeing the factory photo in person, though. I've spent more than a few hours staring at B&W negs and prints over the years under an enlarger and in the fix, but those police cars look like White Sand to me.
Your car sure had a ton of heavy duty options added to be a common city car, or something seemingly light duty. I'm sure county and city officials & workers probably had radios, etc., to necessitate the alternator. It could have been an unmarked detective's car..who knows. The repainted doors could have been to cover the "police." I hope yours is one of those in the TW picture, or at least one of the versions you may soon receive.
It's still cool as heck, whatever it may have been.

Skinnys Garage
05-30-2009, 12:28 AM
Thanks Dave, Your convert is pretty darn cool in my book too. If my convert would have been as nice as my Marshal, I probably would have done something similar to yours, but it needed everything including outer frame rails. My convert leaves early next week, so I can get the Marshal back in the main garage and refresh my memory on what it needs. I plan on shopping for parts at Cedar Rapids and order some stuff from SASCO while I still can! I hope that situation resolves itself in a good way. The holes in the roof of my Marshal line up with the "cherry" and antenna on the cars in the old photo, so I don't think it was to sneaky of an unmarked car unless something else was mounted to the roof.
On a different note, I've got to let everyone know that I wish Ted a speedy recovery. I've been drag racing for about 30 years on and off myself and I am very aware of what Ted has done in the Studebaker community and for Studebaker performance junkies. While I chose to use my brand X (460 Torino) for my drag racing fun at the track, my old 4bl 259 with a 3.31 TT humbled many a brand X back in the '80s at the stoplights (that was legal way back then right?;)) Anyway I hope to meet some of you at Cedar Rapids and check out your cars in person. I made it to the Redwing and Omaha international meets and had a great time. Maybe I'll have a car ready for South Bend in a few years.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

barnlark
05-30-2009, 08:39 AM
By the way, when did it get that 59 front clip? I know of 4 nos fenders in a state nearer to you than me. I see rockers on ebay often, too.

Skinnys Garage
05-30-2009, 09:43 AM
The front clip is factory Hawaiian green and has been on the car for as long as I've known about it. After I got my Lark in 1980 I befriended a long time Studebaker guy after looking for some parts. The car was sitting in his yard with dozens of other Studebakers and I wanted it from that moment on. I made sure to ask him about it every time we visited and finally 10 years ago he decided he probably couldn't restore them all, so I got the car. I won't mention his name here without asking him, because he never was too exited about selling any of his Studebakers. I'll ask him about the clip the next time we talk, he owned and drove the car regularly in the seventies and said it moved! I've got nos rear fenders, Classic Industries rockers and floors that I originally purchased for my convert. I've got a good easy fix set of '62 Cruiser fenders that I was planning on using, but if I could sell them to help pay for nos fronts I would consider doing that. I'm going to use the '59 clip for my '59 because the front of the fenders are rock solid and I can try those CI patches for the rear without pulling the fenders off the inners. Luckily my old '59 doghouse has the dual horn option, so that will work perfect for the Marshal unless I find a true '60 clip to start with (I've got my eye on one).

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

BobGlasscock
05-30-2009, 08:03 PM
un-American.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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8E45E
05-30-2009, 11:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
I am beginning to see/understand the problem! Buying from non Americans, and having non Americans build every thing we buy is the American thing to do, 'cause there is no such thing as... uh... I give up. Enjoy your Toyota/Honda/whatever! ;)


Oh yeah.....I forgot those Crown Vic's were made in CANADA!:D

Craig

studegary
05-31-2009, 08:31 PM
I note that California is still using giant light assemblies on the roof of their marked cars. New York State went to a very low, flat light assembly on the roof of their dark blue Ford Interceptors (called Crown Victorias by some). I went to a parade on Saturday and the marked state police Interceptors leading the parade ,didn't have any roof light assembly, just lights in the grille, windshield, rear window, etc.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

jnewkirk77
06-08-2009, 02:25 PM
Skinny, I always hoped someone would show up with an early Lark Marshal, and yours looks like a real honey of a car despite needing some TLC. Best of luck with it and keep us apprised of your progress!

BTW, I have relatives in Clark. Used to stop in Watertown pretty regularly, although it's been a few years since my last visit.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

Skinnys Garage
06-08-2009, 03:33 PM
Jacob, I've got family in Clark too, next time your back look me up, I've always got time to talk Studebakers! Here's a link to my update post, I haven't done much with it yet, but some day.
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29636

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

Sonny
06-08-2009, 09:19 PM
This '60 Lark Marshal stuff is REAL interesting! One observation... It looks like the "gum ball machines" were probably added at the police department garage. Look at the picture, two have a "lip stick" shape/profile and three have a much more squared off top shape. I'll bet they just went down to the local NAPA and ordered them. I'm sure that if Studebaker would have installed them they would have been identical. That leaves some options as to your choice of light, skinny. Trippe, Dietz and Signal Stat all made the things, shouldn't be too hard to find one.

Also, a question for the historians... Didn't Studebaker put together a few Marshal prototypes and sent them out, all over the place for police departments to test? Then, when they were returned to Studebaker they sat by the engineering building for a long time before everybody just lost track of 'em. Could these be those cars? It would make sense, instead of building more Marshals, paint what was already sitting around and sell the bunch to one police department. Just a thought...

Sonny
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8E45E
06-09-2009, 07:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by Sonny
That leaves some options as to your choice of light, skinny. Trippe, Dietz and Signal Stat all made the things, shouldn't be too hard to find one.

Also, a question for the historians... Didn't Studebaker put together a few Marshal prototypes and sent them out, all over the place for police departments to test? Then, when they were returned to Studebaker they sat by the engineering building for a long time before everybody just lost track of 'em.


The Studebaker literature I've seen states they used Beacon Ray/Federal Signal lights. I believe those Marshals you are referring to were 1964 models and they made 30 of them.

Craig

Sonny
06-09-2009, 02:01 PM
Thanks Craig! Just shows ya how much I know! [:I] I DO know that Studebaker should have been offering the general public any/every performance option they had for their new Larks, (including a Paxton). Yep, I know that initially they were more interested in marketing the car as an economical ride, but I still think they missed great sales opportunities. To test the waters, they could have put just a few together for the bigger dealers to put on their showroom floors, to bring in the lookers, like the "big 3" guys do. That's how they marketed the Mustang so successfully, show 'em the "big guns", sell 'em a 6 stick...

If we would have had R1, R2, R3 & R4 Larks starting in '59, just think how different automobile history would be. The "big 3" were already well into their own respective performance images. I'm positive that the light weight Larks, packin' a 275 horse motor, 4 speeds and TT rear ends would have been BIG hits. It would have been sooooo easy! Those features were basically just "off the shelf" items for Studebaker. Oh well.... :([V]

Sonny
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50Champ
06-09-2009, 03:24 PM
quote:[i] Over the years I had a '50 Champion 2-door sedan (only 6 cylinder Stude I ever had!)


I heard those '50 Champion 2 door sedans are real nice cars. Welcome to the Club....:)

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1188/4526177/20234971/329233113.jpg

1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan

barnlark
06-09-2009, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Skinnys Garage
".... do the cars in the photo have the emergency lights (cherries) mounted on the roof? The holes are there on mine and I would love to find the original style light-siren setup if possible."


Our local police chief maintains this car. From Memorial Day:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSC_0419.jpg

I can ask if he has a connection for the light! ;)

Skinnys Garage
06-10-2009, 12:04 AM
Thanks Dave, any leads would be great. I've narrowed down the type of lights and siren that will match the cars in the TW photo. I bid on a light today, but just didn't dig deep enough into the paypal fund and lost out.:( They show up for sale regularly, so I shouldn't have too much trouble coming up with something. I believe that a few models from Federal Signal will give me the look I'm after.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

woodysrods
02-24-2010, 02:32 PM
Welcome aboard. I hope you get as much out of this forum as I have already.
Has anyone ever seen a Hawk Ploice Car? Probably look like the Batmobile????
Good Roads
Brian

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
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mmagic
08-31-2011, 09:26 AM
This reads like a special order for an extremely obese council man or department head in the city. From the axle ratio I would deduct it was more for personal use than official duty like tending parking meters. And, from the surviving condition it must have had as much use as Obama's $1.1 million busses.

8E45E
08-31-2011, 09:31 AM
And, from the surviving condition it must have had as much use as Obama's $1.1 million busses.

WHY oh WHY must we go there? I hate to see one of the most interesting threads here get locked because current politics has infiltrated into this topic!

Craig

Skinnys Garage
08-31-2011, 10:01 AM
It's been a while since I've updated my '60 Marshal thread, but it's got more info about the car.
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?22720-60-Marshal-Updates

As far as the "surviving condition" goes, it's in pretty tough shape. Milwaukee wasn't kind to it with a lot of rust............