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Scott
11-10-2008, 03:52 PM
OK, here you go. Who can give me the date and model of this car and tell me why they're right? I don't know the answer, so you'll have to convince me!

http://dumbauld.net/Studebaker.jpg

allstateguy
11-10-2008, 03:56 PM
looks like a Rolls Royce "PHANTOM" to me . . .

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2R5
11-10-2008, 04:26 PM
I don't know but there's another one right behind it ! ;)

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52hawk
11-10-2008, 04:35 PM
1926 SnowHawk.

Oglesby,Il. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/52hawk/100_0824-1-2.jpg
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lstude
11-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Probably the only one here that can identify it is Richard Quinn.

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Roscomacaw
11-10-2008, 07:10 PM
Too easy! Look at all the Shamrocks on that thing. It's the St. Patty's Day parade, 1919.[:I]

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Lothar
11-10-2008, 07:50 PM
I will take a shot at it, unencumbered by the thought process. My best guess, based on the windshield, is that its a 1915-1916 Studebaker six fifty touring car. Do I get a cookie now?

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE

Scott
11-10-2008, 09:50 PM
My guess is 1915-1917, but I can't even tell if it's a touring or a 4 seat roadster. I'm hoping Dick Quinn will take a shot at it.

I don't see anything that says 1919! IS it there and I am blind?

studeclunker
11-10-2008, 09:55 PM
If one looks at the script on the hood,cowling (whatever it's called on that vintage), the letters d-e-b-a-k-e-r can be seen. It's even in the right 'script'. I'd say, based on that alone, that this car is a Studebaker.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
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BobGlasscock
11-10-2008, 10:08 PM
Federal legislation made it illegal to douse children in plaster and then glue wings on them in 1930, so it had to be prior to that. Or, maybe the cars aren't even Studebakers. It's only a banner that says Studebaker.

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railway
11-10-2008, 10:21 PM
It had to be winter or the snow would meld.

Ebon...
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Steve T
11-10-2008, 10:24 PM
Nah, it's a 1916 DeBaker Touring; you can tell by the Twin Cherubs hood ornaments DeBaker frequently used...[:p]

Seriously, neat pic, not just for the wild parade float/car but also for the wall sign in the background, and the period fashion finery. Curious to know what the occasion was as well as what sort of Stude this is!

S.

Lothar
11-10-2008, 10:36 PM
Looking at the information that I have at hand, this [u]HAS</u> to be a 1916-17 Studebaker. In those years, the split windshields didn't have frames along the fold line. The 1915 models had full frames, as did 1918-19 models. The couple pictures I have of 1915 Studes also show body color painted rims versus silver or bare metal rims on 1916 and later.

Below is a picture of a "bone stock" 1916 Studebaker touring car. Note the lack of frame on the windshield fold, and the bare metal rim. In fact, I think that some of the original parade bunting is still hanging on it!



http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/lotharhp/DSCN3052.jpg

Now, where's my cookie!?!

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE

barnlark
11-10-2008, 11:28 PM
I'm going to take a stab that this is March 17, 1917; or near that date. That was the date of John Mohler Studebaker's passing. The model is either a 1917 series 18- SF, or ED, depending on whether it was a 4 or 6 cylinder, respectively, if they used the new models that day, which if I'm not mistaken were debuted in the Spring back then. I think the small poster on the wall reads 1917 on it, as well. Tough to tell. I'm hoping StudebakerWheel isn't rolling his eyes at yet another post war car owner making a faux pas. [B)]:D

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8E45E
11-10-2008, 11:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

OK, here you go. Who can give me the date and model of this car and tell me why they're right? I don't know the answer, so you'll have to convince me!

http://dumbauld.net/Studebaker.jpg




http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/3021599644_3213826ca2_b.jpg

I would have to agree with the others here about it being a 1916, going by the windshield; about all one can readily see of it![B)]

Craig

8E45E
11-11-2008, 12:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by Lothar


Below is a picture of a "bone stock" 1916 Studebaker touring car. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/lotharhp/DSCN3052.jpg



Is that a 1916? Or a year or two older like this one with the rounded corners on the windshield frame?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/3020846325_f2df889c94_b.jpg

Craig

bridgegaurd
11-11-2008, 02:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by Lothar

Looking at the information that I have at hand, this [u]HAS</u> to be a 1916-17 Studebaker. In those years, the split windshields didn't have frames along the fold line. The 1915 models had full frames, as did 1918-19 models. The couple pictures I have of 1915 Studes also show body color painted rims versus silver or bare metal rims on 1916 and later.

Below is a picture of a "bone stock" 1916 Studebaker touring car. Note the lack of frame on the windshield fold, and the bare metal rim. In fact, I think that some of the original parade bunting is still hanging on it!



http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/lotharhp/DSCN3052.jpg

Now, where's my cookie!?!

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE


I think you win the cookie but

You lost me with this picture, all i can see is the great beginnings of a 1916 speedster

Scott
11-11-2008, 09:02 AM
I think Craig is on the right track. That car has a squared off windshield frame. The one sitting the field, posted by Lothar has rounded corners on the frame. Are they both 1916s? But based on the little research I've done it looks like the square frame was used in 1915, 1916, and 1917. Maybe some models used the frame with the rounded corners? Impressive work so far!

Lothar
11-11-2008, 10:11 AM
My first picture doesn't show the top of the windshield very well. In this picture, you can see that once there were wood pieces at the corners, giving the windshield a more square appearance. I'm not sure if they were blocks on the corners, or a bar that went across.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/lotharhp/DSCN3059.jpg

I'm certainly no expert on early Studes, but the owner of this car told me that he thought that it was a 1915 or 1916. I did some research and thought that I had figured out it was a 1916 based on the windshield. When I saw the picture in this topic, I thought "aha, that looks familiar!" Maybe not.
I agree with whoever said that you could make a cool speedster or bucket roadster out of this car, but I'm afraid its destined to crumble into the prairie. Of course, the owner says that he'll do something with it "someday." Sigh.

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE

Scott
11-11-2008, 10:39 AM
From what I've seen the cowl is correct for a 1916, but the only cars I've seen pictures of that have the rounded corners date from before 1915. This is an interesting puzzle.

I sure like that old wreck, though.

barnlark
11-12-2008, 10:34 PM
Mr. Quinn;
You have to know when and what these cars may have been in this photo. St.Pats would have been scheduled for a parade, or procession that day anyway, so we can't go by the decorations, or the somber look on their faces. Not sure what time that day that John Mohler passed away if it's in 1917, but I have to know.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN1253_2.jpg

Studebaker Wheel
11-12-2008, 11:44 PM
Sorry to disappoint anyone but there is simply not enough visible evidence on that parade car to make a positive i.d. The dates speculated on by several respondents i.e 1914-1916 is about as close as you will come.

As for Lothars recent post with the photo of the touring car that is a 1915 model year car. It looks to be a model SD Four but could be the EC Six. The Four and Six were identical except for the longer hood on the Six. In any event the 1915 is distinguishable from the 1916 Series 16 in that it did not have a cloisonné badge in the radiator whereas the ‘16 did. Since this car does not have the badge it has to be a ’15.

Actually this gets a little technical (not to mention confusing) because the 1915 models EC Six and SD Four were produced from July 1914 thru June 1915 and the 1916 cars were introduced in June of 1916. Therefore most of the ‘16’s were actually assembled in calendar year 1915. It is worthy of note, I think that Studebaker was the 5th largest producer of automobiles in 1915 (196,351 units). Your challenge (should you choose to accept it) is to name the four companies selling more cars than Studebaker for that year.


Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

8E45E
11-13-2008, 12:02 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel
It is worthy of note, I think that Studebaker was the 5th largest producer of automobiles in 1915 (196,351 units). Your challenge (should you choose to accept it) is to name the four companies selling more cars than Studebaker for that year.


I will say Ford by a long shot; then I will guess Willys/Overland and Dodge. I don't want to guess who the fourth would be....

Craig

barnlark
11-13-2008, 04:10 AM
Maybe Oldsmobile? RQ, have you seen that original picture and have an idea when it may have been taken?

leyrret
11-13-2008, 05:19 AM
A guess: Ford, Willys-Overland, Dodge, Chevrolet or Buick

Scott
11-13-2008, 09:07 AM
I notice the car seems to have a front bumper. Could that be a clue to anything?

Studebaker Wheel
11-13-2008, 01:30 PM
The answer:

1) Ford
2) Willys (Overland)
3) Buick
4) Dodge
5) Studebaker
6) Maxwell

Good job!

As for the bumper that was optional on most cars of the era and there was an excellent aftermarket trade in these.

No, I have not seen this particular image before but I have hundreds of snapshots and old photo post cards of the era some with parade decorations. In most cases the decorations make the car completely unidentifiable. If it were not for the banner on the hood of this one it too would be unidentifiable.


Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Roscomacaw
11-13-2008, 04:34 PM
So then.... it could WELL be 1919.[^] I still think it's a St. Patricks Day parade.[^]

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JBOYLE
11-13-2008, 06:10 PM
This may be a very dumb question...
But if it's NOT a Studebaker...
Why does it have a "Studebaker" banner on it?
(and come to think of it, why would Scott have posted it here?)


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