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Dan Timberlake
10-19-2008, 12:15 AM
http://www.bankspower.com/magazines/show/564-power-guru

DOHC Studebakers, Mickey Thompson, and Manhattan project physicist Richard Feynman

#8220;My favorite car was the #8216;53 Studebaker Starliner coupe,#8221; says Banks. #8220;The first time I ever saw one it was heaven. It was narrow and long, the perfect Bonneville car. I said to myself, I#8217;ve just got to get one of those.#8221;

"Those heads were the remnants of Agajanian#8217;s 1952 Indianapolis campaign using the new Studebaker V8, with DOHC heads designed by Miller-Offy legend Leo Goosen. Only two complete engines were ever built, both of which broke."

64Avanti
10-19-2008, 01:23 AM
The story about the DOHC heads is interesting but I have to wonder about it. The engines were with J. C. Agajanian in 1973 when we were trying to get them.

David L

64Avanti
10-19-2008, 01:23 AM
The story about the DOHC heads is interesting but I have to wonder about it. The engines were with J. C. Agajanian in 1973 when we were trying to get them.

David L

r1lark
10-19-2008, 05:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by 64Avanti

The story about the DOHC heads is interesting but I have to wonder about it. The engines were with J. C. Agajanian in 1973 when we were trying to get them.

David L

And IIRC the guy who owns Speedway Motors, Bill 'Speedy' Smith owns these engines and the cores for the heads.

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com

r1lark
10-19-2008, 05:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by 64Avanti

The story about the DOHC heads is interesting but I have to wonder about it. The engines were with J. C. Agajanian in 1973 when we were trying to get them.

David L

And IIRC the guy who owns Speedway Motors, Bill 'Speedy' Smith owns these engines and the cores for the heads.

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com

DEEPNHOCK
10-19-2008, 06:35 AM
We talked a lot about the Stude Indy DOHC before the Omaha Int'l meet a couple years ago.
Lot's of pic's and links here....
Jeff[8D]
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6386&SearchTerms=DOHC

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DEEPNHOCK
10-19-2008, 06:35 AM
We talked a lot about the Stude Indy DOHC before the Omaha Int'l meet a couple years ago.
Lot's of pic's and links here....
Jeff[8D]
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6386&SearchTerms=DOHC

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64Avanti
10-19-2008, 07:27 PM
And yes I know how all of that happened. It is really a long and involved story. Actually he should have all of the tooling and drawings.

David L

64Avanti
10-19-2008, 07:27 PM
And yes I know how all of that happened. It is really a long and involved story. Actually he should have all of the tooling and drawings.

David L

Dick Steinkamp
10-19-2008, 07:34 PM
Here's the link to my pictures of the DOHC Stude motors...

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/OHC%20Stude/



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-19-2008, 07:34 PM
Here's the link to my pictures of the DOHC Stude motors...

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/OHC%20Stude/



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

ralt12
10-20-2008, 05:51 PM
What a great-looking motor. You wonder if some enterprising type would attempt a reproduction if the drawings were available. It's amazing what is coming back from the dead engine file....

'53 Commander

Dick Steinkamp
10-20-2008, 07:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by ralt12

What a great-looking motor. You wonder if some enterprising type would attempt a reproduction if the drawings were available. It's amazing what is coming back from the dead engine file....




I'd say the odds are slim to none, unfortunately.

It cost $225,000 to do one in 1952. How much do you think it would cost today?

Head casting, machining, cams, valve train, gears, chains, intake system, exhaust, etc.

If you did it and sold maybe 10 sets (?) you'd probably have to get at least $50,000 per set to break even. I doubt if the CASO's would be standing in line for them.

The Stude DOHC engine is just about as nifty as they get, however. [:p]

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

ralt12
10-22-2008, 09:17 PM
I'll tell you what, if all we're talking about is heads and induction, it's a lot less expensive than you think. A custom long block as well would be stretching it, though. Folks are making new 427 SOHC heads and all the related gear, and this enterprising Italian went so far as to create a scale model of the Ferrari 312 PB--that runs! ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUMDY01uUA ) Pretty amazing. You might even be able to make one from billet, depending on how involved the details were in that era. Like this W-16 machined from billet-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU32Q6QXtWQ&feature=related
And if you could build one unit, digitized on SolidWorks or one of the other good CAD/CAM programs, it'd be a question of pressing the button.

'53 Commander

PackardV8
10-23-2008, 10:41 AM
quote:You wonder if some enterprising type would attempt a reproduction
quote:I'll tell you what, if all we're talking about is heads and induction
quote: it's a lot less expensive than you think.

FWIW, the Agajanian/Utzman twin-cam Studebaker Indy engine has been a fascination and a hobby of mine for many years. If a reproduction were ever to be available, one would think I'd be first in line. However, knowing a bit about it argues otherwise:

1. The straight-cut gear train driving the cams howls like a banshee.
2. The front gear train cases are almost impossible to seal. Think a stock Stude V8 leaks?
3. The engine is HUGE. Take an already wide and tall V8 architecture and DOHC heads make it a LOT wider and taller.
4. It's not just "heads and induction", it's an entire gear train, front cover castings, camshafts, valves, tappets, springs, water pumps, oil pumps, exhaust, rods, pistons; everything except the block and crankshaft would have to be designed and manufactured.
5. And the fact there is not now and never has been even a new camshaft or a quality performance intake manifold successfully marketed over the entire fifty-seven-year history of the Studebaker V8? That the few short-lived low-budget attempts to provide parts which might have had a wide appeal died a painful death still discussed on this forum today?

Yes, it theoretically could be done. No, even though we enjoy all the links, knowing there are other lunatic-fringe projects going on around the world, it doesn't persuade this one is viable. Yes, we'd love to see it happen. ;)

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8

Mike Van Veghten
10-23-2008, 11:11 AM
Oh come on Jack...you're taking all the fun out of it!

Mike

64Avanti
10-23-2008, 10:56 PM
When I was pursuing this engine the plan was to convert it to a belt drive system for the cam drive and use some other available parts. The tooling was all there along with the drawings.

Make money of of this? It would never happen.

David L

64Avanti
10-23-2008, 11:36 PM
When I was pursuing this engine the plan was to convert it to a belt drive system for the cam drive and use some other available parts. The tooling was all there along with the drawings.

Make money fron this? It would never happen.

David L

Karl
10-24-2008, 12:18 AM
Yes, it theoretically could be done. No, even though we enjoy all the links, knowing there are other lunatic-fringe projects going on around the world, it doesn't persuade this one is viable. Yes, we'd love to see it happen. ;)
thnx, jack vines
PackardV8
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Jack, they are out there. Just waiting.
How about a V12 motorcycle.[:0] This guy has built three of them!
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