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Guido
10-17-2008, 08:36 PM
Below is the link to the website for the "official" meet photos from Lancaster. I didn't look at all of them, but it seemed odd that a number of them have people crossing in front of the camera. It might have helped if he had used a flash when he tried to capture my buggy inside. :(

http://kingphotography.morephotos.com/mp_client/pictures.asp

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mbstude
10-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Those are the official meet pictures?


[V]

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/quadraportle005.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-17-2008, 08:47 PM
The "busy" background is poor (IMHO) as is the lighting in many of them. Also, the car hardly fills the frame. I would hope all will be cropped before publication.

If a photographer was paid for these, I'd be asking for my money back.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

JGK 940
10-18-2008, 01:02 AM
Busy background. Haphazard composition. Poor lighting. I give these shots a C-minus ...until I start zooming in on the Floating Ghost Blobs That Ate The Bronze Convertibles. WTF?

There is no excuse whatever for shooting through dusty lenses and/or filters. None. F. As in FAIL. This clown may not pass GO. He may not collect two hundred dollars.

In fact, he ought to be thinking very seriously about paying hush money to y'all in return for NOT posting these pics all over the web with his name on them in big, red letters.

IMHO


Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
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JGK 940
10-18-2008, 01:02 AM
Busy background. Haphazard composition. Poor lighting. I give these shots a C-minus ...until I start zooming in on the Floating Ghost Blobs That Ate The Bronze Convertibles. WTF?

There is no excuse whatever for shooting through dusty lenses and/or filters. None. F. As in FAIL. This clown may not pass GO. He may not collect two hundred dollars.

In fact, he ought to be thinking very seriously about paying hush money to y'all in return for NOT posting these pics all over the web with his name on them in big, red letters.

IMHO


Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
If the salt air never chew 'em up bumbye the lava will...

Ian Mackellar
10-18-2008, 01:34 AM
Hey Guido,Here's how it looks with the lights on.Good seeing you at the meet but somehow didn't find any time to chew the fat.It's amazing how quick the week goes.:)http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq337/irmack/Picture067.jpg

4961Studebaker
10-18-2008, 08:24 AM
I nominate Craig Parslow to be the official photographer. Just see his work, in the '53 pictures' thread. When we compress our photos to load faster on the forum a lot of detail gets lost, Craig's however still look good. Nice tight detailed shot.

You shoot cars.....you need a wide angle. (outside of point and shoot)


ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg

Guido
10-18-2008, 08:56 AM
Ian,

Thanks for the picture. I think that I was supposed to by you a beer on behalf of Dick.

I posted comments similar to Dick's on the Truck Talk page. The pictures are not tight enough on the cars, there are often modern cars in the background and the lighting is poor on others. I think he just turned the camera on the tripod to take a picture of my wagon.

In looking at the list of events on the website, it appears most of his work is at weddings.

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Dick Steinkamp
10-18-2008, 09:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by 4961Studebaker


You shoot cars.....you need a wide angle. (outside of point and shoot)




Actually, the opposite (IMHO). Being close to a car with a wide angle lens distorts the car. This is a nice effect for some "artsy" type shots of a long fin, etc., but not attractive for the typical 3/4 front or rear view. It is often done at a car show, because you just can't get far enough away from the car to do otherwise.

Being some distance from the car with a longish lens gives the most flattering results (again, IMHO).

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-18-2008, 09:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by 4961Studebaker


You shoot cars.....you need a wide angle. (outside of point and shoot)




Actually, the opposite (IMHO). Being close to a car with a wide angle lens distorts the car. This is a nice effect for some "artsy" type shots of a long fin, etc., but not attractive for the typical 3/4 front or rear view. It is often done at a car show, because you just can't get far enough away from the car to do otherwise.

Being some distance from the car with a longish lens gives the most flattering results (again, IMHO).

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

4961Studebaker
10-18-2008, 12:44 PM
should clarify, not a super wide angle like a 10-22 mm, more in the neighborhood starting at 18-55 24-90. yes with a long lense 75-200 would give you a flat photo but then again you'd have to be stand offish and wait till all others are out of the way. Interior shots improve as well. Which gets real hard with a long lense and its required focusing distance.

Oh well, I have seen better photo's from posters here, than the distant shots of the meet's photographer.

ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg

4961Studebaker
10-18-2008, 12:44 PM
should clarify, not a super wide angle like a 10-22 mm, more in the neighborhood starting at 18-55 24-90. yes with a long lense 75-200 would give you a flat photo but then again you'd have to be stand offish and wait till all others are out of the way. Interior shots improve as well. Which gets real hard with a long lense and its required focusing distance.

Oh well, I have seen better photo's from posters here, than the distant shots of the meet's photographer.

ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg

56H-Y6
10-18-2008, 12:57 PM
Hi
I'll add my voice to the choir: these photos are LOUSY!!!

Busy backgrounds, boring profiles taken too far away from the subject, dark, multiple uncomposed views, hoods open to devour the photographer.....

Good heavens, with all the talented people in this club, couldn't they find someone else to take on the job of official photographer, one who knows how to photograph cars as the subject?

I'm no expert, but even my photos of cars at Hershey and SDC Meets come out better than those! Hope SDC demands the money back!

Steve

56H-Y6
10-18-2008, 12:57 PM
Hi
I'll add my voice to the choir: these photos are LOUSY!!!

Busy backgrounds, boring profiles taken too far away from the subject, dark, multiple uncomposed views, hoods open to devour the photographer.....

Good heavens, with all the talented people in this club, couldn't they find someone else to take on the job of official photographer, one who knows how to photograph cars as the subject?

I'm no expert, but even my photos of cars at Hershey and SDC Meets come out better than those! Hope SDC demands the money back!

Steve

clarkwd
10-18-2008, 05:16 PM
Let me reinforce Dicks comment about focal length. The first of the two shots below was taken with the widest wide angle on my Canon 720. I stepped back a few feet and zoomed into and got the second picture. Two things happened when I stepped back, the car was in proper perspective and the shot was not looking down on the car. I'll add a couple other hints. Don't take pictures of cars with the hoods up unless you are doing a study of hood pads. Try to take pictures early in the morning or when its cloudy to eliminate the glare. If you have to take pictures in the sun, try to have the sun behind you. Look at what is in the background. I thought the red explorer in the back of my official Lancaster photo was a nice touch.
Bill
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z293/clarkwd/WiderLens.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z293/clarkwd/LongerLens.jpg

clarkwd
10-18-2008, 05:16 PM
Let me reinforce Dicks comment about focal length. The first of the two shots below was taken with the widest wide angle on my Canon 720. I stepped back a few feet and zoomed into and got the second picture. Two things happened when I stepped back, the car was in proper perspective and the shot was not looking down on the car. I'll add a couple other hints. Don't take pictures of cars with the hoods up unless you are doing a study of hood pads. Try to take pictures early in the morning or when its cloudy to eliminate the glare. If you have to take pictures in the sun, try to have the sun behind you. Look at what is in the background. I thought the red explorer in the back of my official Lancaster photo was a nice touch.
Bill
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z293/clarkwd/WiderLens.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z293/clarkwd/LongerLens.jpg

BobPalma
10-18-2008, 07:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Actually, the opposite (IMHO). Being close to a car with a wide angle lens distorts the car. This is a nice effect for some "artsy" type shots of a long fin, etc., but not attractive for the typical 3/4 front or rear view. It is often done at a car show, because you just can't get far enough away from the car to do otherwise.

Being some distance from the car with a longish lens gives the most flattering results (again, IMHO).

Dick Steinkamp




:) Dick is more than right. Several times, I've watched professional car photographers shooting pictures of individual cars at The Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race, for later use in feature articles. For the most part, they are up to 100 feet -yes, 100 feet- from the car with their large box cameras when photographing the cars! :DBP

BobPalma
10-18-2008, 07:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Actually, the opposite (IMHO). Being close to a car with a wide angle lens distorts the car. This is a nice effect for some "artsy" type shots of a long fin, etc., but not attractive for the typical 3/4 front or rear view. It is often done at a car show, because you just can't get far enough away from the car to do otherwise.

Being some distance from the car with a longish lens gives the most flattering results (again, IMHO).

Dick Steinkamp




:) Dick is more than right. Several times, I've watched professional car photographers shooting pictures of individual cars at The Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race, for later use in feature articles. For the most part, they are up to 100 feet -yes, 100 feet- from the car with their large box cameras when photographing the cars! :DBP

Guido
10-18-2008, 07:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
For the most part, they are up to 100 feet -yes, 100 feet- from the car with their large box cameras when photographing the cars! :DBP So what you are saying is that the pictures that I took from 500 feet up in the helicopter should be perfect? :D

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/guidosalvage/077.jpg

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Guido
10-18-2008, 07:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
For the most part, they are up to 100 feet -yes, 100 feet- from the car with their large box cameras when photographing the cars! :DBP So what you are saying is that the pictures that I took from 500 feet up in the helicopter should be perfect? :D

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/guidosalvage/077.jpg

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/63/663/9/36/86/2567936860097493054TXiheL_th.jpg[b]Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

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8E45E
10-18-2008, 07:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
It is often done at a car show, because you just can't get far enough away from the car to do otherwise.



Very true; especially in a museum where the rows between the cars are rather narrow. Here are some from Indianapolis and Imperial Palace taken with a 28mm lens.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2953316958_1849c5235c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2608446143_065706763b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2609277976_97c60793e4_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
10-18-2008, 07:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
It is often done at a car show, because you just can't get far enough away from the car to do otherwise.



Very true; especially in a museum where the rows between the cars are rather narrow. Here are some from Indianapolis and Imperial Palace taken with a 28mm lens.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2953316958_1849c5235c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2608446143_065706763b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2609277976_97c60793e4_b.jpg

Craig

bams50
10-18-2008, 07:54 PM
The guy driving the weasel looks scared s***less![:0]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

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bams50
10-18-2008, 07:54 PM
The guy driving the weasel looks scared s***less![:0]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

barnlark
10-18-2008, 08:58 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

The "busy" background is poor (IMHO) as is the lighting in many of them.

Well, since we're crabbing with good justification, I decided to shoot stuff myself today.. here's a "busy background" :D and a couple attempts at Classic Car style shots I tried with Bill Pressler and his beautiful Skytop today. I tried to avoid brand X's busying up the background, but the fall colors got in the way. ;) Shot them on film because my digital is still down. Warm morning light...haven't played with the color yet. Thoughts?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44330012.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44330024.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44320019.jpg

Guido
10-18-2008, 09:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44320019.jpg I like this picture! The only thing that would have made it better is if you had leaned out the window and gotten about 2 feel lower. [:0]

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8E45E
10-18-2008, 09:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
Thoughts?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44330012.jpg




This one would make an awesome October shot for an SDC Calendar.[8D] In your case, since you have a Skytop, I'd stand on a ladder, about three rungs up to get a good photo of it.

Craig

8E45E
10-18-2008, 09:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
Thoughts?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44330012.jpg




This one would make an awesome October shot for an SDC Calendar.[8D] In your case, since you have a Skytop, I'd stand on a ladder, about three rungs up to get a good photo of it.

Craig

barnlark
10-18-2008, 09:07 PM
Hey, it was my Tahoe window and it was death defying enough! Kids, don't do this at home. [V]:D

barnlark
10-18-2008, 09:07 PM
Hey, it was my Tahoe window and it was death defying enough! Kids, don't do this at home. [V]:D

barnlark
10-18-2008, 09:12 PM
"This one would make an awesome October shot for an SDC Calendar. In your case, since you have a Skytop, I'd stand on a ladder, about three rungs up to get a good photo of it."
Craig


We haven't discussed the best one yet..is this an angle you were thinking of?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/44350020.jpg

8E45E
10-18-2008, 09:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

We haven't discussed the best one yet..is this an angle you were thinking of?




Yep, and it looks great!

Craig

8E45E
10-18-2008, 09:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
Kids, don't do this at home. [V]:D


Or while doing 70 miles an hour on the freeway??[:0]

Craig

8E45E
10-18-2008, 09:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
Kids, don't do this at home. [V]:D


Or while doing 70 miles an hour on the freeway??[:0]

Craig

barnlark
10-18-2008, 10:27 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Ian Mackellar

"Hey Guido,Here's how it looks with the lights on.Good seeing you at the meet but somehow didn't find any time to chew the fat.It's amazing how quick the week goes.":)

Ian, glad I got to chew some of that fat Guido missed...and eventually find you a beverage with a proper head on it! Great to meet you and Bob Peterson at the Host. Here you are in action during your long judging day getting carpel tunnel:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0761-1.jpg

BobPalma
10-19-2008, 05:54 AM
:) Dave: Indeed, very nice pics of Bill's Lark. I can see he has vintage license plate frames on the car but cannot read what they say. What are they? :DBP

BobPalma
10-19-2008, 05:54 AM
:) Dave: Indeed, very nice pics of Bill's Lark. I can see he has vintage license plate frames on the car but cannot read what they say. What are they? :DBP

Bill Pressler
10-19-2008, 06:40 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Dave: Indeed, very nice pics of Bill's Lark. I can see he has vintage license plate frames on the car but cannot read what they say. What are they? :DBP


They're just the old "Studebaker Drivers Club" (back) and "Studebaker" frames that I bought in the TW many, many years ago! I would love a "Carl E. Filer Co." frame but my friend Ed doesn't have any! The car was sold through Cordell Motors of Moorhead, MN when new...I'd pay dearly for a set of them.

Barnlark did an amazing job. I am blown away! The car has never been photographed better in my twenty years of ownership! Got some good ones with the family in them, too.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
10-19-2008, 06:40 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Dave: Indeed, very nice pics of Bill's Lark. I can see he has vintage license plate frames on the car but cannot read what they say. What are they? :DBP


They're just the old "Studebaker Drivers Club" (back) and "Studebaker" frames that I bought in the TW many, many years ago! I would love a "Carl E. Filer Co." frame but my friend Ed doesn't have any! The car was sold through Cordell Motors of Moorhead, MN when new...I'd pay dearly for a set of them.

Barnlark did an amazing job. I am blown away! The car has never been photographed better in my twenty years of ownership! Got some good ones with the family in them, too.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

BobPalma
10-19-2008, 07:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler


quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Dave: Indeed, very nice pics of Bill's Lark. I can see he has vintage license plate frames on the car but cannot read what they say. What are they? :DBP


They're just the old "Studebaker Drivers Club" (back) and "Studebaker" frames that I bought in the TW many, many years ago! I would love a "Carl E. Filer Co." frame but my friend Ed doesn't have any! The car was sold through Cordell Motors of Moorhead, MN when new...I'd pay dearly for a set of them.

Barnlark did an amazing job. I am blown away! The car has never been photographed better in my twenty years of ownership! Got some good ones with the family in them, too.

Bill Pressler


:) I was kind of hoping they were Carl E. Filer frames, Bill. And I'm also sorry to hear that, apparently, Collectible Automobile didn't contact you to photograph the car for the High-Performance Studebakers article coming up, per my strong recommendation. Oh, well, you can lead a horse to water and all that...

I know what you mean about period license plate frames from the original selling dealer. I paid Leonard Shepherd a little extra for one of the beautiful, original COGGINS MOTORS / CHARLOTTESVILLE [VA] frames for the back of the 1964 Daytona convertible I bought from him a year ago this week (wow, has it been a year?). It's the exact frame that would have been on the car when it was sold there new, and it was! :DBP

BobPalma
10-19-2008, 07:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler


quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Dave: Indeed, very nice pics of Bill's Lark. I can see he has vintage license plate frames on the car but cannot read what they say. What are they? :DBP


They're just the old "Studebaker Drivers Club" (back) and "Studebaker" frames that I bought in the TW many, many years ago! I would love a "Carl E. Filer Co." frame but my friend Ed doesn't have any! The car was sold through Cordell Motors of Moorhead, MN when new...I'd pay dearly for a set of them.

Barnlark did an amazing job. I am blown away! The car has never been photographed better in my twenty years of ownership! Got some good ones with the family in them, too.

Bill Pressler


:) I was kind of hoping they were Carl E. Filer frames, Bill. And I'm also sorry to hear that, apparently, Collectible Automobile didn't contact you to photograph the car for the High-Performance Studebakers article coming up, per my strong recommendation. Oh, well, you can lead a horse to water and all that...

I know what you mean about period license plate frames from the original selling dealer. I paid Leonard Shepherd a little extra for one of the beautiful, original COGGINS MOTORS / CHARLOTTESVILLE [VA] frames for the back of the 1964 Daytona convertible I bought from him a year ago this week (wow, has it been a year?). It's the exact frame that would have been on the car when it was sold there new, and it was! :DBP

barnlark
10-19-2008, 07:19 AM
Bob, I didn't shoot the engine, but if they want to include what one of the rare Skytops looks like in a shot for the article I can email them one of which that Bill may approve. ;) Maybe, Studebaker Wheel and you can put in a good word.

barnlark
10-19-2008, 07:19 AM
Bob, I didn't shoot the engine, but if they want to include what one of the rare Skytops looks like in a shot for the article I can email them one of which that Bill may approve. ;) Maybe, Studebaker Wheel and you can put in a good word.

studegary
10-20-2008, 02:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude

I'm in love with that police wagon!

DAVE,


I believe that police vehicle is at the Imperial Palace. I think that all of their vehicles on display are for sale, therefore it could be yours.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
10-20-2008, 02:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude

I'm in love with that police wagon!

DAVE,


I believe that police vehicle is at the Imperial Palace. I think that all of their vehicles on display are for sale, therefore it could be yours.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer