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KGlowacky
09-26-2008, 04:06 PM
Just returned from a extended 26 day trip back to my old hometown of Youngstown,Ohio due to the hurricane. Went to Lancaster and had a great time. While in Ohio I figured out where I got my love for old cars from. Every night of the week during the summer there is at least one car show. I really never realized how much love these people have for old cars. While there I was telling people I had a great deal of Studebaker parts left over that are not in high demand(6 cyl stuff) that I was going to just give away. These are just things I have extra from a parts car, that are all mech. motor, trans rearend, steering column etc. They suggested building a RAT ROD with these parts and say it would bring decent money due to there isn't any Stude Rat Rods out there and the market is strong. Anyone think this is something worth doing. I have never had an interest in doing this but it kinda makes sense. I see on E-Bay every so often a 33-40 rusted beyond repair Stude body and I have almost everything to get it rolling except a frame and I can weld something up. Is there really a selling market for these JUNKERS???? Really just thinking out load, but it would be neat to put a Stude 6 cyl. in one of these.

stude freak
09-26-2008, 04:13 PM
Quote"If you build it........they will come".

David Baggett '53 coupe

Steve T
09-26-2008, 08:33 PM
KG--

See "This might sting a bit" in the Members' Studebaker Pictures section for a very striking example of this idea. I say go ahead and run with it...especially if you're using an almost-too-far-gone bodyshell, you're rescuing one of our favourite cars...and you'll end up with a blast of a ride.

Here's another example of the same idea, but with a very unusual sub-variant of Studebaker as a basis...50s milk truck...seen last week at Waterdown, Ontario, swap meet.
http://s290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC48D7F082_1001469.jpg

S.

KGlowacky
09-26-2008, 09:04 PM
I would only use parts that do NOT hold much value to us in SDC and are very available to everyone. I am pretty certain if I didn't use them for an odd ball project like this they would end up in a landfill. I would never cut up a good body to build this I just was thinking maybe it would put one more Stude powered car back on the road no matter how crude it would be. Really haven't decided yet just trying to use old Stude parts that have very little value and demand.

sals54
09-26-2008, 10:22 PM
I say go for it. Here's my 54 Coupe at just such a car show. It was called Billetproof. This is a huge show which tours the country. This one was in Antioch, CA. (near San Francisco) Sorry for the huge picture. I'll try to fix it later.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/Billitproof%20Carshow/untitled-12.jpg


sals54
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kurtruk
09-26-2008, 10:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by KGlowacky

They suggested building a RAT ROD with these parts and say it would bring decent money due to there isn't any Stude Rat Rods out there and the market is strong. Anyone think this is something worth doing. I have never had an interest in doing this but it kinda makes sense. I see on E-Bay every so often a 33-40 rusted beyond repair Stude body and I have almost everything to get it rolling except a frame and I can weld something up. Is there really a selling market for these JUNKERS????


MAYBE. The younger guns that are really driving this trend do throw some money at existing projects. But I would think most would want to build it themselves---the way they want it. Or with whatever they find. I think it would be the same as with the custom car market. Many sellers can't understand why they can't get $XX,XXX for their pride and joy dream car they customized. Well, unless you run into a "nouveau riche" that just writes checks for whatever they see and want, most folks are going to want a car customized to their own sense of taste(or lack there of) or style. I think it would be even more true in the rat rod realm. These guys want to build them. That was part of the appeal of the rat rod movement, I think.

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)


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sals54
09-27-2008, 01:58 AM
Kurt, I think your observations are so right on, especially about the customizing. Ebay is littered with cars that were done to the hilt with loads of cash and credit cards, only to have them turn out to be a one-off disasters that put Katrina to shame. I like simple design and execution. Some of the outrageous cars are fun to look at, but they grow old fast. The rat rods may spell the end of the "Muscle Car" craze. Half a million dollars for a Camaro????? Are they crazy? When was the last time you went to a car show and actually LOOKED at a Camaro? Doesn't matter how much money is spent.... its still just another Camaro. At least the rat rods have some thrill to them.

sals54
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bams50
09-27-2008, 07:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by sals54

Half a million dollars for a Camaro????? Are they crazy? When was the last time you went to a car show and actually LOOKED at a Camaro? Doesn't matter how much money is spent.... its still just another Camaro.

And now you know what brought me here! I had plenty of Camaros- as well as Mustangs, Novas, Chargers, pretty much all of them. I've raced them, restored them, bought and sold, etc. I love Camaros, especially 69s, and know them inside and out, top to bottom. But as much as I love them, the truth is that they're really just a cheapo car with sexy sheet metal. I have zero interest in paying what the market says they're worth- like any, it's just a car. How do you enjoy owning a car that's so expensive you can't enjoy driving it? This non-millionaire working guy has no idea.

I love cars, old and new. The old cars remind me of old times, when my parents and aunts and uncles were alive, all of whom I miss. The oldies help me remember, and that's a very good thing; but I choose to stay in reality, and paying 6 figures for a car is outside of that!

So I'll stay in the Stude world, where a car that sells for $20K is an eye-opener... and you can still get a really nice, fun old hobby car for 4 figures[^] Next decent 69 Camaro RS/SS that goes for 10 grand is mine... but I'm not holding mt breath;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

DEEPNHOCK
09-27-2008, 02:11 PM
Good points, and well taken.
But remember... It takes the same amount of money to build something poorly as is does to build it well.
Hear me out.....
Sure, you can spend a ton buying the hot parts de-jour from the magazine vendors....
And you will spend just as much buying period piece stuff to make your 'Rat Rod' look just like all the other popular 'Rat Rods'...
Now, if you are building a true 'Rat Rod', you are doing it all out of your pocket, and nothing goes on there that does not reduce weight, or make it go faster.
Anything that is there purely for 'the look' is cosmetic 'bling' that flies in the face of a real, true, old school hot rodder.
A tempestuous statement?
You bet.... But true 'old school' rodders would agree, even if they would never bother to say it out loud.
One thing I took note of...'
There were several 'period pieces' at Lancaster that were way cool.
They were built to emulate, or re-create the early gasser racing heritage of some Studebakers..
Way cool in my opinion.
But...
I didn't see one 'Rat Rod' (by the magazine description) at Lancaster.
Maybe I wasn't paying attention durng my whirlwind tour, but I didn't see a purpose built 'Rat Rod'...
Interesting thread....
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by KGlowacky

<snip>
I see on E-Bay every so often a 33-40 rusted beyond repair Stude body and I have almost everything to get it rolling except a frame and I can weld something up. Is there really a selling market for these JUNKERS???? Really just thinking out load, but it would be neat to put a Stude 6 cyl. in one of these.

stude-sled
09-28-2008, 08:38 AM
Here is my rod, built safe, built to drive every day of the week. I have had finished show cars and this truck is more fun than any of them.http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/julytruck001.jpg[url]<div align="left"></div id="left"> ..http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/truck6-22-08011.jpg.. ..http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/truck6-22-08008.jpg.... .http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/julytruck015.jpg

bams50
09-28-2008, 09:08 AM
I've seen pictures of your truck before- love it!

I just wish you'd edit and re-set up your post so the pictures are in line instead of side-by-side. It's hard to scroll back and forth[xx(]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

stude-sled
09-28-2008, 09:14 AM
They show up inline on my screen. I'll try to change it.

John and Tracy Smith
09-28-2008, 09:28 AM
Great truck! Does it still have a Studebaker engine?

John and Tracy Smith
Queen Creek Arizona
http://1955studebaker.blogspot.com/
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/studebakertruck/IMG_3130.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/studebakertruck/IMG_7458.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/studebakertruck/IMG_2129-1.jpg

Flashback
09-28-2008, 09:30 AM
I see both sides of this picture. I have done "correct" original
and I have driven rat rods before they were cool. As a matter of fact I am doing one of each now. I will try to post pictures. I love
your coupe Sal.

Tex E. Grier
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn320/Flashback53/Studebaker255.jpg

bams50
09-28-2008, 09:39 AM
quote:Originally posted by stude-sled

They show up inline on my screen. I'll try to change it.


Fixed- Excellent! Thank you[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

bams50
09-28-2008, 09:42 AM
BTW stude-sled- Love that last one! I have a thing for vintage lighted signs like that[8D]

stude-sled
09-28-2008, 09:46 AM
The truck is on an 1999 S-10 frame, complete with all the motor, trans, abs, comp, great gas millage, etc.

N8N
09-28-2008, 09:50 AM
Jeff,

I did see one stubby Lark that might have been considered a "rat" but I think it showed up after you left. Only time I spotted it was while it was being driven around though, I didn't get a chance to look at it. It was kind of an aqua color, dumped on the ground, some sort of V-8 under the hood (might have been Stude from the sound) I liked it but like I said never got the chance to check it out

nate


quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Good points, and well taken.
But remember... It takes the same amount of money to build something poorly as is does to build it well.
Hear me out.....
Sure, you can spend a ton buying the hot parts de-jour from the magazine vendors....
And you will spend just as much buying period piece stuff to make your 'Rat Rod' look just like all the other popular 'Rat Rods'...
Now, if you are building a true 'Rat Rod', you are doing it all out of your pocket, and nothing goes on there that does not reduce weight, or make it go faster.
Anything that is there purely for 'the look' is cosmetic 'bling' that flies in the face of a real, true, old school hot rodder.
A tempestuous statement?
You bet.... But true 'old school' rodders would agree, even if they would never bother to say it out loud.
One thing I took note of...'
There were several 'period pieces' at Lancaster that were way cool.
They were built to emulate, or re-create the early gasser racing heritage of some Studebakers..
Way cool in my opinion.
But...
I didn't see one 'Rat Rod' (by the magazine description) at Lancaster.
Maybe I wasn't paying attention durng my whirlwind tour, but I didn't see a purpose built 'Rat Rod'...
Interesting thread....
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by KGlowacky

&lt;snip&gt;
I see on E-Bay every so often a 33-40 rusted beyond repair Stude body and I have almost everything to get it rolling except a frame and I can weld something up. Is there really a selling market for these JUNKERS???? Really just thinking out load, but it would be neat to put a Stude 6 cyl. in one of these.



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stude-sled
09-28-2008, 09:51 AM
Here is a couple more with neon.http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/julytruck029.jpg .http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/julytruck021.jpg.. .http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/ebay023.jpg.. .http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/057.jpg

turbostude
09-28-2008, 09:58 AM
Frame: z'd planar front suspension Stude 37' thru 50'. Remove about half of the leaves. Box the frame.
Diff: any v-8 Stude
Engine: Champ or Commander 6 modified with parts from Bill Cathcart or using ideas from TurboStude
Tranny: 3 speed OD from above motor. 3 speed floor shifter available everywhere for $115.
Body: Cut down Stude truck cab ,channeled over frame. cut off roof. Narrow 8". Cut "bustle" of some wretched 30's sedan, rotate 90 degrees and weld the old "bottom" to the back of the cab for a trunk...
Grill: 50' bullet nose or Lark/Champ or swap meet special.
Brakes: drum rear Stude, Disk front (if you get that far, call me....I've done it).
Steering: from whatever frame you butchered.

Greg
http://turbostude.com
http://salt2salt.com
http://turbostude.com/Tribaker/

Greg
http://Salt2Salt.com
http://Turbostude.com
http://turbostude.com/Tribaker (LP three-wheeler project)

Nitram
09-28-2008, 06:52 PM
WOW, a room for $29.49 including free internet and a continental breakfast?
How recent is this photo?
One might think it's an hourly rate.;)
By the way, I like your truck.

quote:Originally posted by stude-sled

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/stude-sled/rusty%20truck/julytruck015.jpg[/url]




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[i]~Nitram~
57 Transtar

stude-sled
09-28-2008, 07:24 PM
Taken a couple of months ago.

stude-sled
09-28-2008, 08:16 PM
This is an old Route 66 place.

sals54
09-29-2008, 12:43 AM
stude-sled, That is one wicked looking truck. I hear ya on the fun part. I love driving my coupe. I don't have to worry about dents or dings. I also love the bullet holes. What did you use to make those??? .44 .45 ???

sals54
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/NewSignature.jpg

M5Chris
09-29-2008, 07:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by Steve T

KG--

I am curious... The guy I bought my M5 picjup from had something very similar to this...
Wish I would of taken a pic of it.
It looked MUCH like this truck pictured,.. but had an M5 style front (fenders / cab) but the door opened like the one here (slide open like a UPS truck does these days)
Anyone else ever saw anything like that.. Know what it was called..
I wonder if the guy still has it. Wish I had a pic of it I could show you all.
The one I SAW actually HAD a CAB like an M5.. and just the door slid open. wasn't constructed where the whole "box" met the motor compartment
http://s290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC48D7F082_1001469.jpg

S.

Hippie
09-29-2008, 08:17 AM
I agree with an earlier post, unless you want to build the car for yourself to have some fun with and sell later with no thought of profit or breaking even your best bet is to try to sell the parts to someone that's building their own. Actually Studebaker mechanicals have a bit of a following among the "rat rod" crowd as well as the "traditional" rodders at the HAMB. One guy at the HAMB just recently pulled the V-8 out of his traditional rod to build a hopped up Champ 6 for it. You might be able to find good homes for your leftovers at those venues. If you venture over to the HAMB don't use the term "rat rod" though. Dirty words there!

Analog man in a digital world.

ChampTrucking
09-29-2008, 08:58 AM
Lark Rat Rodhttp://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll278/ChampTrucking/101_0761.jpg
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll278/ChampTrucking/101_0762.jpg

4961Studebaker
09-29-2008, 10:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by N8N

Jeff,

I did see one stubby Lark that might have been considered a "rat" but I think it showed up after you left. Only time I spotted it was while it was being driven around though, I didn't get a chance to look at it. It was kind of an aqua color, dumped on the ground, some sort of V-8 under the hood (might have been Stude from the sound) I liked it but like I said never got the chance to check it out

nate

Would this be the Lark your refering to? compliments of Shewolf.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/DSCF4263.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/DSCF42621.jpg

ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg

Sdude
09-29-2008, 02:19 PM
Rat rods fascinate me. But if you think they are cheap then you haven't been looking. I spend much more time looking over the rats than I do the six figure cars. I really appreciate the creativity it takes to put together a cool car from scrap. I would hate to see a nice studebaker used for such a project but if it gets a parts car back on the road, I'm all for it.

Jon Stalnaker

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
Karel Staple Chapter SDC
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2848527836_6f817c03fc_t.jpg

N8N
09-29-2008, 07:33 PM
Yup, that's the one... looked like it was DRIVEN which is way more fun than having a 400 point show car any day. (of course, I'd settle for either at the moment... just ordered me most of the stuff I need to install an electric fuel pump today, I'm sick of that racket!)

nate

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