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2R5
09-24-2008, 10:36 AM
I'm sure that many have installed vintage air in their Studebakers . Is there any of our vendors that make or carry the brackets to install vintage into our Studes. I have looked at vintage's website and notice they don't have anything for Studebakers. Any help would be appreciated.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

JDP
09-24-2008, 10:58 AM
They have the brackets, just call.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

Dick Steinkamp
09-24-2008, 11:05 AM
Ebon Jones (railway on the forum) has installed AC in more Studebakers than anybody else on the planet.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dan White
09-24-2008, 01:04 PM
Here you go. These are the brackets for PS:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/VAcompressorbracket.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/VAcompressorbracket2.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/VAidlerpulleybracket.jpg

If you do not have PS then you need these:

http://www.vintageair.com/DownloadsSection/Compressor%20Mounting%20Brackets/Studebaker%20Engines/151590-SSA.pdf


Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

bams50
09-24-2008, 03:00 PM
I wish I was within a rational distance of Ebon- I'd love to be able to just drop off the car and pick it up when he's done;)

As Dick said, I'd contact him before you buy anything.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

ralt12
09-24-2008, 03:10 PM
The interior is a little more difficult. You have to improvise using the Vintage Air brackets; depending on which model you choose, there are a lot of choices to make.

'53 Commander

Dan White
09-24-2008, 03:36 PM
I did mine with a Studebaker evaporator inside and Vintage Air kit in engine compartment. It was time consuming but not too difficult. The brackets and compressor fit fine, the condenser came with universal brackets that fit fine as well. If I get a chance I will post some pictures. Unfortunately I have not had time to get the system charged yet.




Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Dan White
09-24-2008, 07:47 PM
Here are some pictures of the Vintage Air/Studebaker hybrid system I did:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC1.jpg
I ran the low pressure line under the intake manifold and down the fire wall to a bulkhead connector. The high pressure line runs along the inner fender to the bulkhead connector into the passenger side.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC2.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC3.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC4.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC5.jpg
I used a hose to a hard line connection under the receiver dryer to the condenser input connection. The condenser output high pressure is hose to the receiver dryer.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC6.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p167/drwhite55/studeAC7.jpg


Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

rusty nut garage
09-24-2008, 10:38 PM
They also have the crank pulley and needed longer bolt.
Bob Helm (stude vendor in TW) also sells individual parts for his AC conversion if you don't want his complete kit.


quote:Originally posted by JDP

They have the brackets, just call.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson



Russ Shop Foreman "Rusty Nut Garage"
57 SH (project)
60 Lark VIII 2dr sd (driver)

bams50
09-25-2008, 05:17 AM
I never thought of running a line under the intake... is there any chance having that line run through an area of highly concentrated heat like that could have any negative effects- like losing some of the efficiency of the A/C?

I'm guessing you researched this aspect... or did you? Just a thought...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dan White
09-25-2008, 07:35 AM
I have a neighbor that teaches auto AC at the local technical college and I asked him about running the low pressure line under the manifold. He said that it should probably work without any problems. If it was the high side he would be more concerned but the low side should not be an issue. However, we will see what happens when we get it working. This definitely is a more clean look than running the hose around the outside.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

sirbum
09-25-2008, 09:11 AM
Hey guys, thanks for posting all this info and pictures. I have intentions and have started collecting needed parts for the A/C also, so your info helps tremendously.

2R5
09-25-2008, 09:26 AM
Thanks guys for all the great info . I will contact ebon and talk with him . I did meet him this year at the International for the 1st time and didn't know he was an expert in this field or I would have quizzed him on it . Thanks again :D

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

dallastx75208
09-26-2008, 10:20 AM
What evaporator did anyone purchase from vintage air to put in a 62 hawk?

58PackardWagon
09-26-2008, 05:54 PM
I purchased all of my bracket supplies from tom Karcowitz (spelling could be different). He sells out of a bus at the nationals.

Dan you did an outstanding job on your Hawk.

58 Packard Wgn (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wgn (Park Green)
58 Packard Sdn (Shadowtone Red)
62 Daytona (White)
63 R2 Lark (Super Red)
57 Packard Wagon parts car
57 Packard sedan parts car
58 Packard 2 dr hdtp parts car

Dan White
09-26-2008, 06:17 PM
Thanks for the compliment. The only thing I believe I will need is a pusher fan in front of the evaporator, but that can wait until next spring!

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Mr Mike
09-28-2008, 07:38 AM
I used the Vintage bracket on my 60 Hawk. I would recommend using the under dash steel cased evaporator from Vintage. I had a plastic cased under dash unit that I had originally bought for another project from Old Air. It didn't have any way to support the rear weight and it cracked the plastic all to heck. The Vintage bracket can be a little tricky to install too. First, mine would only go on if I installed the longer rear bolt that replaces the bolt for the oil filler tube. Second, you'll have to change the water outlet fitting for the hose that feeds the heater control valve. There's very little clearance for the fitting and the bolt and nut to secure the right rear corner of the compressor so what I did was to drill out the bracket and tapped the compressor ear. Oh, make sure you have a set of gaskets for the water manifold where it bolts to the block.
Hope this helps - Mr Mike

dallastx75208
09-28-2008, 09:38 AM
Thanks for the info about plastic and metal. What I need to know is what evaporator people are using that will fit well in a 62 hawk. They have a few to choose from. They have the Vacuum short pack, Vacuum Super Cooler, Gen IV, and Gen II. I do want a unit that has heat, air, and defrost.
Need to know what condenser people used also.


quote:Originally posted by Mr Mike

I used the Vintage bracket on my 60 Hawk. I would recommend using the under dash steel cased evaporator from Vintage. I had a plastic cased under dash unit that I had originally bought for another project from Old Air. It didn't have any way to support the rear weight and it cracked the plastic all to heck. The Vintage bracket can be a little tricky to install too. First, mine would only go on if I installed the longer rear bolt that replaces the bolt for the oil filler tube. Second, you'll have to change the water outlet fitting for the hose that feeds the heater control valve. There's very little clearance for the fitting and the bolt and nut to secure the right rear corner of the compressor so what I did was to drill out the bracket and tapped the compressor ear. Oh, make sure you have a set of gaskets for the water manifold where it bolts to the block.
Hope this helps - Mr Mike

fpstude
09-28-2008, 10:44 PM
Dallastx,
I'm at about the same stage you are with our '63 GT. I like the idea of using an evaporator that combines heat, air and defrost. I obtained, from the local hot rod shop, a mock-up of the Gen II Compact unit. It will wedge between the steel structural member of the dash and the firewall. It rests on the floor and the outlets are just under the radio. I would have to put a different type of radio in the car. Or, if it is moved toward the passenger side, some of the glove compartment would have to go. However, I really like the idea of using this evaporator, so I will probably do one or the other modification. The recommended condenser was the Horizontal SuperFlow 14" x 22" x .83". Basically the largest that would fit. Hope this helps. I'm interested in opinions on this.

Perry
'23 Special Six,
'50 Business Champ,
'50 Starlight Champ,
'60 Lark droptop,
'63 GT R1

dallastx75208
09-29-2008, 10:19 PM
I do not mind moving the radio and eating up a little clove compartment. I am not going for a show car, a daily drive is more of what I am doing. I plan on building some sort of thing to lead from the dash down to the stick shift and blend inot the center storage compartment. Put the air controles and a couple of vents there, modern radio if it will fit also. Will have to see.
Thanks for the condenser info.
Where are you going to place your vents?
I was going to do one or two in the center and than one on each end of the dash.

quote:Originally posted by fpstude

Dallastx,
I'm at about the same stage you are with our '63 GT. I like the idea of using an evaporator that combines heat, air and defrost. I obtained, from the local hot rod shop, a mock-up of the Gen II Compact unit. It will wedge between the steel structural member of the dash and the firewall. It rests on the floor and the outlets are just under the radio. I would have to put a different type of radio in the car. Or, if it is moved toward the passenger side, some of the glove compartment would have to go. However, I really like the idea of using this evaporator, so I will probably do one or the other modification. The recommended condenser was the Horizontal SuperFlow 14" x 22" x .83". Basically the largest that would fit. Hope this helps. I'm interested in opinions on this.

Perry
'23 Special Six,
'50 Business Champ,
'50 Starlight Champ,
'60 Lark droptop,
'63 GT R1

fpstude
09-30-2008, 11:49 PM
I plan to put a vent in the center and one at each end of the dash, as you said.

Perry
'23 Special Six,
'50 Business Champ,
'50 Starlight Champ,
'60 Lark droptop,
'63 GT R1

2R5
10-08-2008, 06:26 PM
I see in Octobers TWs an air conditioning add put in by Bob Helms of Texas. Has anyone on here delt with him on these air packages and do you recommend his set up or not ? Or is there another way of going ?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

dallastx75208
10-09-2008, 07:15 AM
Where in Texas is he located?

quote:Originally posted by 2R5

I see in Octobers TWs an air conditioning add put in by Bob Helms of Texas. Has anyone on here delt with him on these air packages and do you recommend his set up or not ? Or is there another way of going ?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

53k
10-09-2008, 04:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Ebon Jones (railway on the forum) has installed AC in more Studebakers than anybody else on the planet.

Amen to that. I bought my complete a/c setup from Ebon. It included every possible piece (nuts, bolts, clips, hoses, belts, etc). It was tailored to my exact application (no power steering). I didn't check, but I think his price was basically the same as Vintage.


Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

railway
10-09-2008, 06:04 PM
Paul did you get it installed ??

Ebon...
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm45/bonjo12/CIMG0136-3.jpg

"I sweat to keep others cool"

2R5
10-09-2008, 06:14 PM
Does he advertise somewhere?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

railway
10-09-2008, 06:59 PM
2R5 call Ebon or Phil
J and N Auto Air Wharehoouse
1203 W. Harrison
Harlingen, Texas 78550
or Better yet....
Just winter with us while we install the A/C. Drive it or haul it.
Short sleeves, and Shorts wore most of the time.

Ebon...
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm45/bonjo12/CIMG0136-3.jpg

"I sweat to keep others cool"

2R5
10-09-2008, 07:02 PM
Ebon , did I met you in Lancaster ?


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

railway
10-09-2008, 07:05 PM
OOPS forgot the #
1 800 292 7001
956 423 6300
Been at the same place, same phone# and PO box since 1957.

Ebon...
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm45/bonjo12/CIMG0136-3.jpg

"I sweat to keep others cool"

railway
10-09-2008, 07:06 PM
YEP

Ebon...
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm45/bonjo12/CIMG0136-3.jpg

"I sweat to keep others cool"

2R5
10-09-2008, 07:09 PM
OK ...thought so , now I can put a face to you .
I want to do air to my '64 Daytona , no PS on it .
I'm not sure if I should go with a completely new heater system as well , your thoughts would be appreciated .
Any chance on figuring out all would need and emailing me with the info ?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

53k
10-09-2008, 09:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by railway

Paul did you get it installed ??

[:I]Uh! Not yet. Really, I have been busy. I did lay out everything and was ready to start once:).

Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

Captain Billy
10-10-2008, 07:20 AM
I will be installing A/C before my trip to Glendale but do not want to use the original evaporator as it takes up too much valuable space. I have looked at some of the units available from vintage air and am wondering which combination unit, say a Gen II, would best work in place of the original heat exchanger and the original evaporator. This system will be going in a 64 wagonaire.

Bill Foy,Ontario SDC
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

Dan White
10-10-2008, 12:54 PM
FYI

http://www.studebakerlouisiana.net/air_conditioning.htm


Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT