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mbstude
09-21-2008, 05:59 PM
My granddad bought a '58 Transtar from Stephen Cade when we were there picking up my wreck.

Well, here it is! I'll let my granddad add more about it. ;)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/0921081759.jpg

Five of us guys loaded up and headed south to get it. Was fairly uneventful, aside from all the Studes to look at. I even laid hands on a '63 Daytona hardtop, R2 with 4 speed... A genuine Super Lark in Rose Mist. It needs restoring and belongs to a friend of Stephen's that's had it for 30+ years. I won't say anymore about it, but it had me droolin' more than any of the others. :D

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Roscomacaw
09-21-2008, 06:48 PM
What is it with you guys and ORANGE???;)

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

rockinhawk
09-21-2008, 08:11 PM
I think that truck was RED, but you know what the Florida sun does to paint. Besides, coming from citrus country, it should be orange. NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
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Roscomacaw
09-21-2008, 08:45 PM
actually Neil, if it looks just like it does in that photo, I'd think about shooting a coat of good clear over it and drivin' it like that! Pretty funky-lookin', I'd say!:D

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

fstst56
09-21-2008, 09:34 PM
Is that "orange peel" I see in the paint?

Mark57
09-21-2008, 09:44 PM
Hmmm.... non hinged tail lights, no window shades on the door... wonder what the inside looks like??? Does it have the parking lights in the grill, or are they just missing? Sure it's not another Deluxe Scotty?? 'Course it would have to be a '59 for that to be true. ;)[?]:)

Either way, looks like a keeper! [^]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
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StudeRich
09-22-2008, 02:28 AM
Neil; is that a Studebaker script on the door? It appears to be, which would make it as Mark suspected actually still another '59 Scotsman Deluxe, maybe registered in '58 as a '58 by mistake! [:0]

You could tell if it's Serial number plate says model 4E

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

mbstude
09-22-2008, 10:34 AM
The truck is pretty rusty, but mostly all there. It's been sitting under a tree by the office door of Stephen Allen's Auto for as long as I can remember. It does have the parking lights in the grille, just like a '59. And yes, it does have the 'Studebaker' script on the door. To me, it looks like a '59, and I thought for sure it was. Stephen said it's a '58, and he's right. The serial plate states it's a 3E. It has the small 6 and 4 speed, but evidence of a column shift is still there. I'm not sure what the original engine was, we just know it's been changed.

The inside looks a LOT like the inside of my Scotsman. It has a climatizer, but no dash pad or arm rests.

BTW, that's not orange peel on the paint. It's a life form. I think it grew some during the rain storm on the way home. :D

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

StudeRich
09-22-2008, 04:14 PM
From all you have said, there is no doubt in my mind that this Truck IS a Scotsman! [:0] Maybe that would make it the ONLY '58 Scotsman Deluxe, or one of very few! [^]

The most likely story is that it is a Scotsman but someone CHANGED the front panel!

Now WHO would ever DO such a thing, to desecrate a perfectly good, original Scotsman? Lol! Ha, Ha! :D :D :D

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

rockinhawk
09-22-2008, 04:56 PM
The grill and front bumper look to be orignal, and it has the transtar hole in the hood. Both Stephen and Matthew confirm it as a 58. That's why I bought it. I didn't have a 58 in my collection. NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
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Chucks Stude
09-22-2008, 07:24 PM
Would "Lark-Shine" work on that truck?

mbstude
09-22-2008, 07:27 PM
A Deluxe Scotsman in '58, was ever such a beast built? I'll ask on the truck forum...

I dunno if 'Lark Shine' will work on this one or not. A good wash job certainly won't hurt it though!

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

mbstude
09-22-2008, 07:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Now WHO would ever DO such a thing, to desecrate a perfectly good, original Scotsman? Lol! Ha, Ha! :D :D :D

StudeRich


Maybe the owner once had a F150 as a hood ornament? [:o)]

[b]Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

studegary
09-23-2008, 02:26 PM
I believe that 1958 Scotsman pickups only came as 3E1-112. The truck pictured appears to have the longer wheelbase (122).
The Deluxe Grille Package for 1959 Scotsman pickups came out in May 1959.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Mark57
09-23-2008, 03:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary

I believe that 1958 Scotsman pickups only came as 3E1-112. The truck pictured appears to have the longer wheelbase (122).
The Deluxe Grille Package for 1959 Scotsman pickups came out in May 1959.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer


Precisely... hence the thought that this may be a '59, not a '58 or a "hybrid" from both years - a mystery certainly.

The Production Order would be interesting to read as well.

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStoreThumb.jpg

Roscomacaw
09-23-2008, 03:56 PM
Maybe Studebaker's answer to Johhny Cash was the original owner.[:0]

Edit: Now that I think about it, the Johhny Cash scenario would've been a heck of alot easier to pull off if one worked at Studebaker - ESPECIALLY if they worked in the truck division. You could've worked there from '48 thru '64 and successfully put together a C-cab over time! [}:)]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

mbstude
09-23-2008, 08:10 PM
The serial plate reads 3E5-22. Definitely not a Scotsman.

Here's some more pics.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/stude005.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/stude006.jpg

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Mark57
09-23-2008, 08:14 PM
Now I'm even more interested... that's definitely a '59 dash panel and the parking lights are a 4E not 3E configuration - although I know that can be changed.;) I'm still very suspicious that many parts of that truck are from a '59 Deluxe Scotsman.:)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStoreThumb.jpg

StudeRich
09-23-2008, 08:54 PM
Mark, can you say: "serial number change"! Lol! :D

I wondered if there are holes for the dash top overlay, I can't see them in the pic. Wouldn't that be one diff. between a Scotty and a Transtar?

I like the optional gauges, that COULD be factory or dealer, if they are the correct made by SW for Stude. type gauges without the large SW markings.

No visible holes for the Map Light and Switch, like a Transtar either!

Gee, this is more fun than an ebay car! We'll tear poor Neil's nice Truck to shreds at this rate! Lol! [:o)] [:o)]

Pretty soon we'll have him willing to give us this thing! :D

It really DOES look like it's in good condition though, especially for a Florida Truck, and all of the fenders look straight!

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

mbstude
09-23-2008, 09:06 PM
Nope, there's no holes for the dash pad. The guages above the cluster are aftermarket, one's even a SW Greenline.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/stude002.jpg

I hate to say it, but this truck is pretty rusty. Bed floor is rotted, as are the door bottoms and cab 'steps'. It will make a decent 'shop truck' though, if we can make it run. Stephen used it to haul off trash. The truck hasn't ran since they got dumpsters on site. [:o)]

I'm betting it's a '59 with a '58 serial plate. That would make sense, maybe the builder had a title for a '58 parts truck, and not the '59. In Florida, you HAVE to have a title to register a vehicle. (We got a '53 2R5 a while back from Florida, and it was titled as a '59 Scotsman! The builder DID have a Scotty parts truck, however. ;))

No matter what it is, we're calling it a '58. That's the reason my granddad bought it. :)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

studemaker
09-23-2008, 09:52 PM
Howdy Matthew, I wish they would follow me home like that! Thats a nice one!:D Looking at the pictures and description, I would guess it to be a 1958 C2 Standard Cab Transtar. Standard Cab Transtars just had all the bells and whistles removed. No door trim, visors, map light, dash pad, ashtray, etc. Mostly ordered as fleet vehicles, the standard cabs were alot like the Scotsmans, just not absolute bare bones like the Scotsman, with the Scotsman going even further with the spare tire, glovebox door, sunvisors, etc. also being options. The hood insert, bumpers, etc. would have been painted instead of chromed on the standard cabs also. The later in grille parking-signals are the only feature not explainable by being a standard cab though. I would venture a guess that they are a later add on, and a good one at that! [8D] There is one thing that really has me really puzzled about it though, the heater controls look to be off center. They should be centered under the Studebaker nameplate on the dash! [:0] http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Deluxe%20Scotsman/100_0417.jpg

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

StudeRich
09-23-2008, 10:00 PM
Tim; you could attribute that to a Dealer or owner Installed Heater! If you did not have the Template, there was nothing to guide you as to where to drill the holes! [:0]

But also remember that it has to be a '59 with all three of those "Studebaker" nameplates on it, and no large holes filled from the Transtar nameplates having been there once.


quote:Originally posted by studemaker

There is one thing that really has me really puzzled about it though, the heater controls look to be off center. They should be centered under the Studebaker nameplate on the dash!

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

Mark57
09-23-2008, 10:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

But also remember that it has to be a '59 with all three of those "Studebaker" nameplates on it, and no large holes filled from the Transtar nameplates having been there once.

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA


I agree with Rich... it is the "Studebaker" nameplates that are the 4E series (or 1959) giveaway. No other year used those. ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStoreThumb.jpg

studemaker
09-24-2008, 07:44 AM
Sorry guys, your right! I didn't even see them being Studebaker instead of Transtar! [:o)] Matthew, does the serial numbers E5-125,401 - E5126,640 correspond to the correct series engine numbers 1E-12,601 - 1E-15,000 on it[?] That would also be a giveaway if it were a sheetmetal, or powerplant swap. Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

mbstude
09-24-2008, 09:33 AM
The serial number (according to the step plate) is E5-125543. 3E5-22 is at the bottom.

The engine is a Champ 6, though it's definitely not the original engine. I think I remember Stephen saying that the owner before him stuck the Champ in there, in place of some brand X powerplant. [xx(]

So, if the engine is not original, and the serial plate has been changed, is there any other way of documenting it as a '59? If not, it's a '58. ;)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

rockinhawk
10-11-2008, 10:14 PM
I've been working on the old truck as time permits. Had to replace points,plugs,fuel pump,and carb,but got it running pretty good. The master cylinder was dry but it took some fluid, and the brakes pumped up. The gas tank was full of water so I hooked up a temporary. With the grandma 4 spd it feels real strong. I need to replace the gas tank,fix the tail lights and brake lights and it will be road worthy. NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar2.jpg

mbstude
10-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Yep, the thing is driving now. Maybe not legally, but driving nonetheless...

My granddad even drove it up to the parts store today. Of course, it's only a mile or so from the shop.

When he tried to leave, the fuel pump gave out. The parts store didn't have one, but the kid driving the Lark had a new one in the trunk. ;)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/quadraportle005.jpg

rockinhawk
06-09-2014, 08:21 PM
Due to renewed interest in my old truck,I thought I would bring this thread back to the top.