PDA

View Full Version : Granatelli's Novi



DEEPNHOCK
09-15-2008, 10:59 PM
A very interesting web article...with pic's...
Enjoy,
Jeff[8D]
http://walterzoomiesworld.blogspot.com/2008/09/granatellis-1964-novis.html
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/unsernovi.png

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937CEBearfootingArtwithLabelgif-1.jpg http://www.racingstudebakers.com/avatar_01.jpg http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

PackardV8
09-15-2008, 11:28 PM
Good photos, maybe the worst writing in the history of motorsports.:(

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8

bams50
09-16-2008, 06:15 AM
Love the crew all decked out in their STP jammies! I wish I had some;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Guido
09-16-2008, 06:55 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Love the crew all decked out in their STP jammies! I wish I had some;) There was a set on e-Bay in the past couple of weeks, they pop up from time to time.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/63/663/9/36/86/2567936860097493054TXiheL_th.jpgGuido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Walter Zoomie
09-16-2008, 12:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Good photos, maybe the worst writing in the history of motorsports.:(

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8


Wow!

That's a pretty hateful thing to say, and it's also the first time I've ever heard anybody be negatively critical of my father's work.

Care to enlighten the unwashed masses as to what you found so disagreeable?

I'd love to see some of your published motor sports work....

ddub
09-16-2008, 06:02 PM
I liked the article, left me wanting to read more.

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

Chris Pile
09-16-2008, 06:16 PM
quote:Wow!
That's a pretty hateful thing to say, and it's also the first time I've ever heard anybody be negatively critical of my father's work.
Care to enlighten the unwashed masses as to what you found so disagreeable?
I'd love to see some of your published motor sports work....


Easy, Walter - opinions occasionally vary. It was a bit over the top, and I've been published over 100 times in automotive magazines & music journals.

Chris Pile
Midway Chapter SDC
The Studebaker Special

madmike
09-16-2008, 06:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by Walter Zoomie


quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Good photos, maybe the worst writing in the history of motorsports.:(

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8


Wow!

That's a pretty hateful thing to say, and it's also the first time I've ever heard anybody be negatively critical of my father's work.

Care to enlighten the unwashed masses as to what you found so disagreeable?

I'd love to see some of your published motor sports work....






I wouldn't call it hateful. I'd call it accurate. The thing reads like the Japanese commentator of Ninja warrior wrote it. I was almost expecting...."it was a dark and stormy night"

C'mon! if it's published good for your father. Every writer gets reviewed and the criticism cuts both ways depending on the critic. My personal opinion (which I'm entitled to w/o having to prove my father penned a similar article) is that the writing was kitschy, regardless of whether it was an automotive article or not.

Don't talk about what you are going to do,... talk about what you have DONE.

8E45E
09-16-2008, 06:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by madmike


I wouldn't call it hateful. I'd call it accurate. The thing reads like the Japanese commentator of Ninja warrior wrote it. I was almost expecting...."it was a dark and stormy night"



I also had the same conclusion, it was of a Grade 2 level reader.

But so did an Avanti brochure copywriter....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2863339867_5ac3f5c47b.jpg?v=0

Craig

jlmccuan
09-16-2008, 07:35 PM
I just thought it was done in the style of an ABC Wide World of Sports style of commentary. Just put Howard Cosell or Jim McCray's voice with the text and envision the pics as clips. Completely appropriate for the time and subject. I mean, a weather reporter wouldn't phrase things the same as a front page copy writer of the same era.

Wasn't this about the same time that ABC went from highlite reels to flag-to-flag coverage blacked out in the Midwest 'til after the late nite news? I remember turning the TV off from the time the race started until after 10:30 so I wouldn't know the results or what happened during the race.

Jim
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/AvantiSignature.jpghttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/AvantiSigB.jpghttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/Logo/RabidSnailSignature.jpg
_________1966 Avanti II RQA 0088______________Rabid Snail Racing

Walter Zoomie
09-16-2008, 08:45 PM
quote:...opinions occasionally vary...

Studebakers are ugly fecal boxes. It's a good thing they went out of business. Anybody who owns one is a window-licker and a pedophile.

That's my opinion. I hope I didn't offend anyone. Maybe I should have kept my opinion to myself.

The piece linked in the original post was written on 1964. It is a human interest story. It was published in a large daily metropolitan newspaper.

The author, my father, now deceased and now no longer able to speak for himself, went on to be nominated for 2 Pulitzer Prizes...

I'm wondering, how many of you can say the same, or similar?

Some of you get it, some, not so much.

Studedude
09-16-2008, 08:47 PM
quote:I'm wondering, how many of you can say the same, or similar?
Can you?

(It's OK by me if you can't. I strive to be the man my father was, but I'm not there yet.)

http://www.davesplaceinc.com/sdcforum/signature.jpg
DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA

Walter Zoomie
09-16-2008, 08:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude


quote:I'm wondering, how many of you can say the same, or similar?
Can you?

http://www.davesplaceinc.com/sdcforum/signature.jpg
DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA


We're not discussing me, are we?

Studedude
09-16-2008, 08:53 PM
quote:We're not discussing me, are we?

There's a good chance we might be... if only briefly.

http://www.davesplaceinc.com/sdcforum/signature.jpg
DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA

A1956GoldenHawk
09-16-2008, 09:03 PM
Walter, I would like to be the FIRST member to welcome you to the Studebaker Drivers Club Forum.

The older I get [b]...the better I was!

sweetolbob
09-16-2008, 10:51 PM
Goldenhawk and Hotwheels, At my age, 65, I really appreciate going back into history on racing and hearing from the past. In fact, I really missed the Muscle Car Drags due to rainout this year. However, As the father of two and the Grandfather of four, I am deeply offended, personally by anyone, that in a fit of pique, addresses me as a pedophile because I own a Studebaker and am a member of a site that has a member or two express an opinion they have. This type of trogylodite should join killbillet.com and interact with his level of intellect. When he matures and expresses his desire to participate as an adult in our discussions, than he should be welcomed. In the mean time, Let google be your friend and draw your own conclusions. Bob

Alan
09-16-2008, 11:11 PM
When I read that I thought, flattery will get you nowhere.

A1956GoldenHawk
09-17-2008, 12:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by sweetolbob

Goldenhawk and Hotwheels, At my age, 65, I really appreciate going back into history on racing and hearing from the past. <snip> I am deeply offended, personally by anyone, that in a fit of pique, addresses me as a pedophile because I own a Studebaker and am a member of a site that has a member or two express an opinion they have. This type of trogylodite should join killbillet.com and interact with his level of intellect. Bob


Sweetolbob, many on here may not realize there was no TV coverage during the race some 44 years back when his Father wrote what has been termed on the SDC Forum as "...the worst writing in the history of motorsports." I for one still can recall Sid Collins (The Voice of the Indianapolis 500 back then) and his crew around the track "setting-the-scene" for all us LISTENERS to envision.

IF ...a few on here think his Father's writing is in some way flawed, they simply do not recognize when a writer has taken "radio announcer's hype" and applied it in print.

"After each of the Novi qualification runs, Andy, a 240-pounder, bounced like a ballerina from the pit entrance to the starting line, almost ecstatic with his temporary victories over the freakish beasts."

Yep, still have some 8mm movies I took of Andy G. doing just as his Father described



The older I get ...the better I was!

Anne F. Goodman
09-17-2008, 12:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by Walter Zoomie


quote:...opinions occasionally vary...

Studebakers are ugly fecal boxes. It's a good thing they went out of business. Anybody who owns one is a window-licker and a pedophile.

That's my opinion. I hope I didn't offend anyone. Maybe I should have kept my opinion to myself.

The piece linked in the original post was written on 1964. It is a human interest story. It was published in a large daily metropolitan newspaper.

The author, my father, now deceased and now no longer able to speak for himself, went on to be nominated for 2 Pulitzer Prizes...

I'm wondering, how many of you can say the same, or similar?

Some of you get it, some, not so much.

I get that you are an Ass. Period

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
Fresno,Ca
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/xmasannecopy.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/GusMater.jpghttp://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/th_DSCN17232008-01-01.jpg

bams50
09-17-2008, 01:44 AM
Boy, I do not get this thread! Totally out of character for this group! I don't get the point of calling the writing "worst in history" when it's nothing like that- as stated, it was a style, not a straight factual piece! When Biggs writes a story with a whimsical touch, we all enjoy it, or not- but we don't insult him if we don't like it! Why should a stranger be different??

As we all know, and have been proven over and over, people do follow what is written here without posting. Now we see a case of somebody busting a needlessly mean post, and we get embarrassed by being caught doing so; and our response is to attack the one who busted us?? Oops[:I]

Jack is one of our most intelligent members here, and a credit to the Forum. The tech contributions he has made are gold to us less Stude-experienced. So the mean-spirited comments don't add up. Then to try to defend that, as opposed to saying nobody's perfect, and I'm sure it was an error in judgement, it gets compounded by trying to defend it[:o)]
I suspect the comment by Walter was not his real opinion, because it too makes no sense- he's just proving that the shoe is not so comfortable on the other foot! My father died in 1984 at age 54- a brilliant man who wrote many papers when he was a professor teaching auto mechanics. I have many of those papers and I cherish the reading of every word- it seems like I can hear him saying them. If I read something like that written- needlessly- about his words, I would be hurt and offended as well.

As has been written many times, we all have the right to think- and write- what we want. Being mean-spirited in our writing is a matter freedom; but of manners as well. Calling something "worst" or childish is not an opinion, it's just an attack- same as the below statement by Walter about Stude owners.

Try to remember- as with Walter's father's words from 40+ years ago, what we write will be there for all to see for decades to come. Are these mean comments really the legacy we want to leave behind?

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Son O Lark
09-17-2008, 05:01 AM
Hey BShaw can you stop this mess![xx(][V]

ClaymoreWW
09-17-2008, 05:27 AM
Let me ask a RELEVANT question...

Since I was a mere child of 3 at the time and I am not a student of Indy racing, what was the connection between the Novi cars and Studebaker? I know of Granatelli and Bonneville and even of STP - but how much of the car was Studebaker?

--george

1963 Lark Daytona HT - 63V J8 175
http://www.teamwetworks.com/claymore/larkkey.jpg

JRoberts
09-17-2008, 06:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Good photos, maybe the worst writing in the history of motorsports.:(

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8


I don't know about that I think it is rather descriptive. Either way it is a good read.

I am editing my original post above as I posted it before I read the entire thread. What in the heck is going on here? Folks that are usually very civil have gone over the top. I thought that the article was a good one, yes my opinion. I know others will feel differntly, but to blast people because of it is not particularly normal behavior here We can agree to disagree, but we don't have to get so ugly about it.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

madmike
09-17-2008, 08:06 AM
quote: I for one still can recall Sid Collins (The Voice of the Indianapolis 500 back then) and his crew around the track "setting-the-scene" for all us LISTENERS to envision.

IF ...a few on here think his Father's writing is in some way flawed, they simply do not recognize when a writer has taken "radio announcer's hype" and applied it in print.

"After each of the Novi qualification runs, Andy, a 240-pounder, bounced like a ballerina from the pit entrance to the starting line, almost ecstatic with his temporary victories over the freakish beasts."

Yep, still have some 8mm movies I took of Andy G. doing just as his Father described



The older I get ...the better I was!


My point (about the writing) is driven home by your choice of a quote. Since we don't have the benefit of a boob tube to take imagination out of the equation, Then I'm left with the impression (by the writing) of some race car driver bounding across the pits leaping and pirouetting in a pink tutu "like a ballerina". (not just any ballerina,... a male 240 lb. ballerina)
I wonder if the driver in question minded me picturing him that way?

Don't talk about what you are going to do,... talk about what you have DONE.

BShaw
09-17-2008, 08:22 AM
Well, this is pretty embarrassing. The topic is now locked.

BShaw,Webmaster
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/StudeRobert/StudeWebService-small.gif
webmaster@studebakerdriversclub.com
60 Hawk. 49 2R5, 39 Champion
Woodbury, Minnesota