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lstude
09-14-2008, 02:13 PM
He says it is a Champion, but clearly it is a Commander.

http://tinyurl.com/5kxppm



Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

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bams50
09-14-2008, 02:17 PM
Gag me with a spoon[xx(]

It'd be a good car to rescue and correct, though:)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dick Steinkamp
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

It'd be a good car to rescue and correct, though:)


I guess that means put back to stock? Does it have to be stock to be correct? (don't answer that one ;))

It probably is already "correct" for some buyers (perhaps a relatively small group, however)

The Toyota motor is 116 HP and 140 ft pounds of torque. I don't know the torque spec on the Champion motor, but I think it was about 85 GROSS HP (perhaps 65 or so net?). I doubt if the torque was better than the Toyota either.

This would be a nice power increase, better fuel mileage, and a more modern drive train. Sounds like it would be just fine for some folks AND it gets the Studebaker name out there on the street.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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bob40
09-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Save and correct? Gag me.
Live and let live.

bams50
09-14-2008, 03:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by bob40


Live and let live.



I agree. That includes those that don't care for Japanese engines in Studes.... I think.;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

bullet_nose_stude
09-14-2008, 03:46 PM
It would not bother me one tiny bit to drive this fine looking automobile with a rice-burner under the hood. Which way would I rather have it? Well, I love the sound and look of OEM equipment, but from a practical standpoint..............

I want something that I can feel comfortable driving every day to work or wherever I need to go. I feel that, for me, that necessitates upgraded drivetrain, suspension and braking. This would be a fantastic start. I'd much prefer the 4-cyl over a Chevy V8.

bradnree
09-14-2008, 04:02 PM
This is the bullet-proof engine of choice for "Metropolitans" and "Crosleys" so they can be driven, driven, driven, driven, and driven cross country to National meets. Add AC and wow !! Parts available on-line and at a Toyota dealer of course.

I have a friend finishing a Metro convertible with the 22 R, auto. and AC. It will now go 80 in stead of 42 m.p.h.

BRAD

JDP
09-14-2008, 04:17 PM
There was a SDC member that installed 240-280Z drive lines in Champ trucks so he could drive the wheels off them.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

sweetolbob
09-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Looks like the builder kept a lot of the Toyota parts. I see dash, column and seats. Also means he has the computer and most of the accessories. I'll bet this is a nice cruiser for streets or highways. Bob

Roscomacaw
09-14-2008, 05:50 PM
I could abide the Toyo drivetrain, but that command station module (er whatever the heck you'd call it![xx(]) That looks like something you'd expect to find in a Flixible bus!:(

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

fstst56
09-14-2008, 05:56 PM
Does this make it a hybrid???

If so, I guess you could call it a Prius!!!

PlainBrownR2
09-14-2008, 08:03 PM
Love the setup, looks like it fell right into the engine bay, great cruiser, but I'd opt for the 1UZFE or 1GZFE. Another rock solid drivetrain(s) from the Lexus end, and no, I'm not thinking of the truck engine. Just a V8 and V12 kinda guy in this instance. [}:)]

It looks to be from a fairly modern drivetrain, so the ECM(Electronic Control Module) is almost a given. The car won't get very far without the brain to control it. ;)


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52-fan
09-14-2008, 08:32 PM
I could live with the engine if a Studebaker like that came my way, but I agree about the dash.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg
1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

52-fan
09-14-2008, 08:43 PM
While we're on the topic of off beat engines in small cars, how about this one at the orphan car show in Branson?
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/Branson2008010.jpg
The owner of this car only opened the hood because I noticed his non-stock shifter. Seems he had what he called a SMALL block Chevy. To be more precise a Chevette 3 cylinder. [:0] I did not get a picture under the hood, but I can tell you that it fit nice and he reported that the car was a fun ride. :D

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg
1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

bradnree
09-14-2008, 09:13 PM
I believe the 22E is the computer version, the 22R is the simpler version. Maybe someone on this site with Toyota engine experience can enlighten us....brad

quote:Originally posted by sweetolbob

Looks like the builder kept a lot of the Toyota parts. I see dash, column and seats. Also means he has the computer and most of the accessories. I'll bet this is a nice cruiser for streets or highways. Bob

fstst56
09-14-2008, 09:28 PM
About the Metropolitan at Branson.

If it's a 3-cylinder then I think it would be a Suzuki supplied in the Chevy Metro, as Chevettes used 4-cylinder engines. Besides, a Metro would be a natural in a Metropolitan, don't you think.

bradnree
09-15-2008, 07:35 AM
Check out these "Orphans", many of them are modified to be driven, driven, driven.

http://studebu.tripod.com/id110.htmliven.

Brad

52-fan
09-15-2008, 09:22 AM
I wondered when he said 3 cylinder, but I never looked under the hood of a Chevette before and it was starting to rain so we didn't tarry long. Maybe that 3 cylinder thing was part of his SMALL block joke.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg
1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

Chris Pile
09-15-2008, 09:35 AM
quote:Check out these "Orphans", many of them are modified to be driven, driven, driven.
http://studebu.tripod.com/id110.htmliven.


Link no workee.

Chris Pile
Midway Chapter SDC
The Studebaker Special

BobGlasscock
09-15-2008, 01:20 PM
The Toyota 22R engine is just a standard Toyota with a carb. I've never heard of a 22E, and don't think it exists. There is a 22RE which is the same engine with electronic ignition. I've owned several vehicles with both the R and RE and they are just very good engines. I think the performance differences come with the drive train/transmission. I've always made it a point to get the computerized 4 speed automatic, so I don't know how that engine works with 3 speeds or standards. All of the vehicles I've had with the 22R have performed better than I need or want, but I am no hot-rodder. All have had over 200K miles before work was done on them.

And, geesh, Bam, I LOVED that car!! A Studebaker and a Toyota, pure heaven.

And it is described as a Commander, not a Champion. Makes it a Commyota. heh-heh.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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bullet_nose_stude
09-15-2008, 03:58 PM
Yeah, that dashboard is somewhat of a turn-off, all right. I guess someone is to be complimented on the know-how to accomplish such a feat, bringing all the practicalities that go with it. But, I'd much prefer the look of the original style dash.

gordr
09-15-2008, 04:39 PM
The listing has been changed to Commander, now. The 22RE toyota motor isn't a bad choice for a re-power, although I doubt it has the torque of the original Commander six, nor would it be as smooth and quiet.

I agree with Biggs about the dash, er "binnacle", but it's not like a Flx bus! I'd say this shows not so much imagination, as a lack thereof. Somebody not willing to puzzle out the electrical intricacies of flanging up the toyota electrics to the Commander instrument panel, so they yard out the whole thing, and go 100% Toyota.

To me, at least, part of the charm of a resto-rod is to have the interior, as well as the exterior, retain at least some semblance of its original styling, or else be modified in some suitably "retro" style, like an Auburn dash or suchlike. There's a pretty fine line between a vehicle like this and one of those golf carts with the bullet-nose facade.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

bradnree
09-15-2008, 05:27 PM
try this link...


http://studebu.tripod.com/

Brad

stude freak
09-15-2008, 07:55 PM
There was a green 51 4 dr at our club car show 3 or 4 years ago.It had a 280-z engine in it.The elderly guy that owned it told me he had this wrecked Z in his junk yard and the stude engine was locked up.So he just switched engines because he loved his old stude.He said i drive it every day and it would fry the tires in low gear.Believe me he got noticed ,it was a bright lime green color.

David Baggett '53 coupe

bradnree
09-17-2008, 07:20 AM
At the Kansas City Midwestern Truck Nationals recently there were trucks from little stockers to fire trucks, and modifieds. One modified Model A street rod truck had a Perkins 4 cyl. diesel engine in it and averaging 51 m.p.g. This truck had been on the Hot Rod Power Tour going accross country. Perkins engines have been a stock fit for Jeep, farm equipment, loading equipment and many other uses. To see them go to ebay and http://www.perkins.com/cda/layout?m=69660&x=7


Brad