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madmike
09-08-2008, 05:32 PM
There is a purpose to this. A purpose that I'll later define. You should know by now, that I'm already qualifying it as confrontational. What I don't get is the affinity for all things Studebaker on this web site. In the "real" world, 4 door cars are considered red headed step children, w/ only the brazen few, (or those who couldn't afford the 2 door, more desirable of any make's body style,) opting instead for the 4 door anything. Dorky, clunky, and just plain undesirable. It's not just my opinion,sales figures back that up.
Most wouldn't be caught dead in a wagon, let alone show one, w/ the 2 door Nomad, being the exception. But there is a coolness that goes w/ tri-5 chevys that allows a certain amount of "tolerance" for those wagons. But,two doors aside, it's still a station wagon, originally a symbol of utilitarian surrender. The decision to purchase a station wagon is the same decision one makes when he starts looking at a minivan[xx(] as a more practical alternative to the sportier car he currently has sitting in the driveway.
P/U trucks have always had their following,and again, it takes a certain crowd to appreciate them.
And most car guys walk right by most trucks and viceversa.
But here, on this web site, 4 doors, wagons and trucks are proudly owned as if they were the rarest finds on the planet.
And, to not leave out the little lark, which, I gotta tell ya, is the definition of poindexter in metal regardless of the door count. Yet, (I know) there is a cult following of this body style here that would've made AMC grieve for the loss of potential rambler customers.

So what I dont get is,......... Is the family here so strong that you accept all of the members? ( even uncle ernie w/ his two bratty kids)

Or do we politely not comment on the ones we don't care for?

And,....do I really mean all of the things that I just said?[}:)]
And if I did, why am I on here? And if I didn't why did I say them?


Don't talk about what you are going to do,... talk about what you have DONE.

BobGlasscock
09-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Well, I find that I am an originalist. I love to see ANY restored-to-factory antique vehicle. A vehicle (I shall now use the word car to make life easier) was never more beautiful than the day it was made, and that's the beauty I like to see. My car would be prettier with some more chrome, white walls, or accessories. But it would not be MY car. As for the 4 or 2 door thing, I don't get that myself. There is no similarity in purpose between the two, so I don't know why people try to compare them. 4-doors carry people from here to there, 2-doors carry personalities to their dreams. Pickups are pickups, for pete's sake. Any Texan knows that! They haul stuff, carry people, and take you to your dreams with your stuff and people.
When I see modified customs, I generally just try to look at and admire the work that a person did to get it just that way. It probably looks stupid to me, and it's a curse on all car designers, but that person did some work on it. And if the person is a craftsman, they deserve that credit and respect and I'll give it to them. "That's one ugly car, but you did beautiful work."
I feel (that's an emotional word) that I love my car which is a Studebaker. That company has a reputation and produced a unique product. Now it seems that people who own (and, I can't believe this, don't own but like) these vehicles like to converse with one another, and in so doing, end up liking one another. So it's like this family is more like a group of siblings and Studebaker is somehow a uni-gender parent. Maybe not.
So, yes, the Studebaker family is that strong. And no, I don't like them all and can keep my mouth shut. (Now ya'll will just have to try to figure out which ones it is that I don't like. :D)

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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bams50
09-08-2008, 05:56 PM
Wow, you guys can get that loaded that early in the day??[:0]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Roscomacaw
09-08-2008, 06:08 PM
I'm with bams here. What's your point, mike? Hell, we got all gooey over that one-off step van that still clings to life! And that thing's anything BUT attractive. It's a Stude tho - that's what matters.

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

DEEPNHOCK
09-08-2008, 06:17 PM
This place is like a corner bar....
(Many here have heard me say this on another newsgroup, but it is true...)
There are many conversations that go on in a bar at any one time.
Little groups of individuals tend to hang together because of their shared interests.
Some are more specific as to exactly 'what' interests them (to the exclusion of all else)...
If you walk in off the street and shout at the top of your lungs "I am a modified and custom guy!"...
Well, they will know what you are all about and will classify you as such.
(and treat you according to their own self applied standard)
Tolerant?
Sometimes... Sometimes not.
But, in defense of this place..
It is (or it has been) ....comfortable...
I'd like to see it stay that way.
That loud guy in the corner that likes to take pot shots as they come by?...
Ignore him. He has his own demons to deal with.
I only hang around this place because it is fun, and sometimes educational.
Take that away, and I'll go find a new place to hang out...
(Some would welcome that, but it speaks more about them, than me;))
BTW..
(to keep it on topic)
There have been some 'very' fast 4-door race cars run in the past.
Actually reading the rule book is an amazing thing.
Ask Jack Rousch.
Jeff[8D]
http://www.draglist.com/photoimages/Photos-RayRay/Full%20Size/gapproushtaxi.jpg




quote:Originally posted by madmike

<snip>So what I dont get is,......... Is the family here so strong that you accept all of the members?
<snip>


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jjones
09-08-2008, 06:28 PM
Amen Jeff, I couldn't say it better.
another Jeff

StudeRich
09-08-2008, 06:29 PM
Well mad, you only have to ask yourself: "do we act, do, or think anything like the average common everyday Classic Chebby owner?" The answer to that, will answer all of your above questions! :D

Sure we all know that the most desired models for Streetrods, collectable Classics, Customs etc. are the 2 Dr. Hardtops, and 2 Dr. Sedans in that order, some only own those, but most Members are more tolerant, open minded and practical ($$$) than that! [^]
Also, most of us are no longer prowling the streets for Ladies, so a 2 Dr. Hardtop is not quite as important anymore! :D

Among the survivor/restored all makes of cars, your numbers may work, but in terms of actual BUILT I don't think more 2 Dr's were built! [V]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Mark57
09-08-2008, 06:32 PM
I'm with Bams and Mr. Biggs here - I'm not understanding the point of your post... as long as it's Studebaker, who cares?[?]
Everyone likes something different and that's great. If we all only liked one particular model of Studebaker, we'd all be in trouble (and broke trying to get one)... although on the positive side, at least that model would be "worth" a decent price!! :D[}:)]

Although I do not personally like all models of Studebaker i.e. there are some models I would never care to own, I appreciate them all as part of the Studebaker heritage... after all, isn't that what membership in the SDC is all about? [^][8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
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showbizkid
09-08-2008, 06:52 PM
I for one do like them all and would probably be happy with any Stude that came my way. And I think for many of us, just owning a car that showcases a bygone day and a lost America is a big part of the love.

As for the point about wagons - sorry, wagons are cool. If I could have my dream Stude that wasn't a Hawk, it'd probably be a '56 tri-tone Broadmoor with an R1...utilitarian stylish AND a sleeper to boot.


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

sweetolbob
09-08-2008, 06:55 PM
I ahhh!! got lost at modified custom ;)

lstude
09-08-2008, 06:56 PM
It depends on your age. A lot of young people like 4 doors.

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Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

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Warren Webb
09-08-2008, 07:01 PM
I agree with Clark. If all we had were the same car or type, it would be so boring. Kinda like a tri-5 car show, all overrestored & nothing like what was assembled 50 years ago. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What makes Studebaker owners unique, is their attitude toward each other, the respect for the others thoughts & feelings, although it may not be their own. I personally dont care for 4 door cars & joke with my wife that if I bought one, its automatically hers, but that doesnt stop me from admiring them.

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

Guido
09-08-2008, 07:09 PM
While also not fully understanding the original post, I guess that I am the only one here that this was not addressed to. You see, I have taken up with the horse crowd. None of my buggies or wagons have doors (or roofs, glass or rust ;)), but I do own a bunch of trucks (all 2 door), a 4 door Lark and Packard as well as a GT Hawk and an Avanti.

With a 4 doors more of my friends can ride (and most Stude guys are older, so ease of entry is important). Now if you want to argue oval versus round steps, you are on. ;)

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/63/663/9/36/86/2567936860097493054TXiheL_th.jpgGuido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

bob40
09-08-2008, 07:24 PM
The older I get the more attractive 4 doors get.
Easier to haul friends to a cruise night as none
of us are as limber as we used to be and dress and
pant sizes may have increased as well.

JDP
09-08-2008, 07:24 PM
I hate to be rude, but I think it's a minority of the minority that actually prefers 4 doors in our hobby, just like the brand X types. Sure a few would rather have a Cruiser over a Avanti or a Hawk, but most pick the 4 door based on their budget. The 4 doors are great drivers, they are still cheap and to many, they are a entry level car to get started.
Personally, I like to see more bread and butter cars at the shows. As it is now, you'd think Studebaker made more GT Hawks then 6 cylinder 4 doors. As a dealer, I could not afford to make a living flipping 4 doors, sadly the market is just not there yet.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

arkiejazz
09-08-2008, 07:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

I'm with bams here. What's your point, mike? Hell, we got all gooey over that one-off step van that still clings to life! And that thing's anything BUT attractive. It's a Stude tho - that's what matters.

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door



[:o)]Ok, I know I'm the oddball here, but I think that step-van is very attractive. But then again, I liked Divco milk trucks too.[:o)]

steve blake...roaming the Texas Panhandle in my trusty Champ pickup
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
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52-fan
09-08-2008, 07:40 PM
I have wondered too at the fascination some of the forum members have for 4 doors, but I have noticed that the older a car is the better any model looks to me. There was a time when I wouldn't have given a second look to a 4 door Studebaker, but now I would actually like to have a Land Cruiser to take on the longer trips.

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1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

52hawk
09-08-2008, 07:51 PM
SO,has any one here built a 4 door Hawk?? I really would love to try it with mine..

Oglesby,Il. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/52hawk/100_0824-1-2.jpg
"Studebaker? It must be hard to find parts for those!"

Dick Clemens
09-08-2008, 08:00 PM
When I was young and foolish, only a 2 door would do me. Now that I am old and foolish I desire 4 doors, appreciate 4 doors, and have 4 doors. When I was young and had a 2 door, 53 coupe, I discovered the value of a conestoga wagon at the local drive in. Have you ever tried to stretch a six foot body out in a 53 coupe or hardtop. The better half just got back from a month out in Califonia so I'd better leave well enough alone.

studedick from the lower Ozarks

mbstude
09-08-2008, 08:01 PM
I have a Lark two door hardtop, a pickup truck, and my daily driver is a Lark 4 door, which beats them all for comfort. The several Hawks that my family owns are some of my favorite cars, though I like the hardtop variety more than coupes. Heck, I even like the Wagonaire that we have. So, what group do I belong to? :)

Are you saying that the SDC should only allow '53 Starliners and Starlights? That sure would be boring...

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

bige
09-08-2008, 08:33 PM
I think if you're a true car lover and hobbyist you respect what others find desirable and most of all respect the work that it takes for anyone to restore or just keep an old car running. The effort it takes to bring a 4dr Lark back to life is no less than a 2dr and far greater than any popular Chevy or Ford.

I'm thankful that these cars are preserved and appreciate the joy they bring to their owners. This forum isn't the only one that is accepting of ALL types within the marque, it is one of the best, though.





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garyash
09-08-2008, 08:38 PM
Gee, I'm REALLY in trouble: an M5 pickup and TWO Wagonaires! Way too many doors!

On the other hand, the '65 Wagonaire is a true "chick magnet". All of the teenage girls smile and wave when they go by in their Toyota Corollas and Hyundai Elantras, usually at 80 mph while talking on the phone. Few young girls waved at me in the '60s when I was driving my '53 Commander Starlight, it was just an old car. But now, the driver is too old to do anything about the "come hither" looks - I just enjoy driving down the road in Studebake iron. And my wife just laughs when the chickies wave.

Most of the sedans and wagons got thrown away as they wore out. They didn't have the visual appeal of the C-K hardtops and coupes nor the flash of Avantis, so the percentage of survivors is much lower. But, I agree that these cars still offer solid opportunities to enjoy old cars. And, every once in a while, the old fart at the wheel of the '65 Wagonaire, will blow off some young dude in his tricked-out tuner car when the light turns green. [283, .040 over, RV-grind cam, 4GC 4-bbl, dual exhausts, '83 Camaro 305 HO heads, MSD electronic ignition]. Nothing beats cubic inches!

http://www.studegarage.com/images/other/gary_mv0705.jpg

Gary Ash
Dartmouth, MA
'48 M5
'63 Wagonaire Standard
'65 Wagonaire Commander

Andy R.
09-08-2008, 08:39 PM
If you don't get the affinity for all things Studebaker on this web site, it doesn't exist. That's why we are on this little corner of the web.

Try to remember behind every steering wheel is a driver. Ultimately, that person's opinion of the car is the only one that really matters. True, there are some Studebaker models more/less desirable than others, but far be it for me to deride others for their choices. As long as they're friendly, I appreciate their cars.

I'll remember to bring my old car price guide to the next car show so I can really appreciate the iron. Let me also commend JDP and others who buy/fix/sell their coupes and convertibles, because they raise awareness of the marque and extend interest to all the models.

One thing I have noticed at shows, cruise-ins and such: The owners of 4-doors, pickups and wagons are the first ones to let kids and others climb in to appreciate their old cars and enjoy them for their intrinsic worth. If the guy with the 400-point Duesenberg is a jerk (haven't met one yet), I could care less about his car.

IMHE, the boring "utilitarian" Wagonaire "scored" more than the Hawks ever did.
Not at car shows or auctions. Maybe you can "get" that. ;)

Nothing beats sleeping out under the stars...[^][:X]

Andy
62 GT
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bams50
09-08-2008, 09:16 PM
I thought madmike was kidding with this post, just trying to stir things up and move on- I see he has yet to be back... but since many of you are taking him seriously, I'll actually answer.

Growing up in the car business, and having a natural love for cars, I had them all over the years- Vettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, you name it; I loved them all, and still do- restored some, wrecked some, raced some.

But I have a love and respect for the everyday workhorses that were the backbone of families, yet underappreciated and worked to death and cast away. There will always be plenty of folks to love Avantis and Hawks, but the bread-and-butter cars should be saved too, if for no other reason than posterity's sake. Too many guys my age are buying cars based on what they think will impress others, instead of what they get a kick out of... midlife crisis, anyone?

I've been blessed to have done most anything I wanted to do thus far; so I have no need for a midlife crisis. So I guess my affinity for the least-loved and appreciated Studes is my anti-midlife crisis statement:)



Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Ricardo
09-08-2008, 09:47 PM
It is simple.
It is a thing called passion.
Passion for Studebaker

Studebakerchile
http://www.tuerca.cl/studebakerchile/

madmike
09-08-2008, 09:53 PM
I said that there was a purpose that I would later define, and I promised my son that I would help. He has a government class and they are discussing freedom of speech w/ regard to how our society tolerates one of our rights as afforded to us as citizens.

To help him "do his homework" I figured that I would take a community
ohhh say...... (this one), and shake things up a bit to see how the overall community would react. I had to be as beligerant as possible w/o getting personal in order to "excercise freedom of speech/opinion"

I'd have to say that the end of the experiment is a testimonial to the fact that for the most part,we are a live and let live group of people.
Although I was expecting at least a few to tell me where to get off, none of you did.

I know that this isn't the place for 10th grade homework assignments to be "worked out on", and I'll apologize for using it for that means.
But maybe he'll get an "A".

I think by your responses, you all certainly have;)

Don't talk about what you are going to do,... talk about what you have DONE.

barnlark
09-08-2008, 10:20 PM
I was about to add that absolutely nothing could be added to Bams perfectly worded last post as I was waiting for the later to be defined moment, sensing fun bait. Oh well. I thought desirable and ease of sale went 2dr convertible, 2dr hardtop, 2dr sedan, but now I can't even enjoy getting in a lather over that, or why I enjoy all that is Studebaker on this site, either. I still want that 4 door skytop Bob has..and I don't know why either. :D

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jeryst
09-08-2008, 11:19 PM
Good thing I read this thread after you "confessed", or I would have probably said something a little terse.

But anyway, it just depends on the group of people. I think the people here handled it admirably. It would have been the same on one or two other forums I frequent. But on several others, you would have been severly pummelled, threatened, called names, banished to never-never land, and snubbed for eternity. Like I said, it just depends on the mentality of the crowd.

Dwain G.
09-08-2008, 11:54 PM
What I don't get is how come that flippin' Henry Ford gets credit for practically inventing the whole machine era.
Of any transportation company mentioned in American History books, it should be Studebaker. A company that spent 114 years settling the west, fighting our wars, hauling our goods, and providing jobs.
THAT is what enamors us of anything Studebaker.[^]

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Dwain G.

avantilover
09-09-2008, 05:21 AM
Henry Ford put the world on wheels with the Production line system Dwain, and his cars were affordable to the average worker. I think that Studebaker's were more expensive (though maybe that was Packard).

In any case Studebaker blew their chance to be as big as GM by Erskine spending their capital on paying dividends which caused them to go bust.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Secretary Studebaker Car Club of SA (as of 3/19/08)
Lockleys South Australia

bams50
09-09-2008, 05:23 AM
I can't say I'm too thrilled about being part of an experiment, but all's well that ends well, I guess.

We do have the occasional poster who has emotional problems come in and post something inflammatory, for no real purpose. As Jeff said, they have their own demons. I was wondering if that was where you heading, not knowing you. It appeared that way, and I see I hit that right on the head; I'm glad it was just part of an experiment, and you haven't chosen to be part of the head-case contingent;)

I do agree that the group handled it admirably; a great bunch here, for sure!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

avantilover
09-09-2008, 05:27 AM
Whilst I know Mike was joking, I am as a redhead confused why he used the comments about redheads as if to imply we're somehow undesirable like a 4 door car.

I wanted a 4 door because of the room and comfort and am thrilled with mine. It was also what I got offered and for $AUD3000 with cleaned out Radiator, new Battery, new tires, brakes serviced, and engine serviced a genuine bargain.

Can't comment about stepchildren except to say that one should not enter such a relationship if one doesn't want the children - me I was adopted by a couple who had lost 2 and soon lost their 3rd child, so I was wanted.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Secretary Studebaker Car Club of SA (as of 3/19/08)
Lockleys South Australia

4961Studebaker
09-09-2008, 08:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

I thought madmike was kidding with this post, just trying to stir things up and move on-


I was thinking the same thing, but along the lines of GOTCHA.

ChopStu
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Johnnywiffer
09-09-2008, 10:15 AM
Speaking of TWO too many doors, I just can't seem to get away from that. I guess I can blame my father. He had a '51 and a '52 Land Cruiser. So naturally, had to have a....
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/Studies001.jpg

And of course, I had to go him one better, so I got.....
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/desktop1a.jpg

And another....

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/Studies002.jpg

And finally....

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/rear.jpg


And then there is my wife's....


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/a-1.jpg

Oops....Oh well, nobody's perfect! :D

John

vegas paul
09-09-2008, 10:30 AM
Gary Ash - Next time you brag about your "chick magnet" don't post a picture of yourself! Post a picture of some of those "magnetized" chicks!

Las Vegas, NV - Stop by, coffee's on!
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
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rbruner
09-09-2008, 10:38 AM
One thing about a Stude it always seems to put a smile on someone's face. People who approach are not aggressive or negative in their conversations about the vehicle. Most knew somebody who had one way back when. Yesterday a woman took a picture of the Champ because she dated a Studebaker descendant. The drivers of McCain's Straight Talk Express even shouted out the window that they would trade the candidate for the truck! Now that's friendly! :D

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/sbruner_2008/641Champ.jpg

JBOYLE
09-09-2008, 10:57 AM
I like to see anything old taken care of and restored...beats seeing them crushed. (At work my window looks over the street that leads to several recycling outfits, every day there is a semi or three of nice cubes on their way to who knows where..judging by what I can see, they're sedans, pickups and minivans...)

I'd love a wagon...
-57 Ford Ranch Wagon, 60's-early 70s Ford Country Squire, or Pinto CS
-Early 70s full-size Chrysler (puttuing a 69-71 Chrysler 300 front -clip on one would be really cool) or early 70s Plymouth Satellite
-64 Wagonaire or 50s Studebaker or Packard wagons
-Pacer or late 60s early 70s AMC whatevertheycalled 'em...
-70 Chevell wagon...69-70 Caprice Wagon/Kingswood with hidden headlights...

Heck, I like 4-doors too
My dad's 69 Ford LTD foor-door hardtop (with the big engine) was a sporty looking car.

We shouldn't bad mouth other's taste in the hobby, however odd it seems to us...whatever "floats your boat"...and morst importantly, we need to hang together...you know the alternative.



63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Roscomacaw
09-09-2008, 11:03 AM
madmike - there was something fishy about your initial post. Either that or (as someone obliquely intimated) you'd committed a PUI (posting while under the influence[:o)])

I used to say this quite a bit, but I haven't of late because this community has gotten beyond the stage of dissmissing "lesser" Studebakers for "flashy" ones.

One only has to review the yearly production breakdowns to realize where Studebaker (and others) made most of their profits. It sure wasn't the "sport" models. The sportier models served to inspire car shoppers to come in and look at what their local Stude dealer was selling, but practical needs usually found them leaving in a sedan or wagon. Again, the production stats bare this fact out.
Studebaker's "bread and butter" were their more utilitarian offerings. Fact is, if Studebaker hadn't had the minor miracle of the Scotsman cars in '57 & '58 - it's QUITE possible there'd never have been a Lark, Avanti or GT Hawk to swoon over today.[^]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Steve T
09-09-2008, 11:42 AM
What an interesting thread...primarily because of how civil it stayed. It would have grenaded itself within three or four posts on some of the airplane fora I frequent...

Since I own a '62 Lark VI Deluxe two-door post (ie. an "Allstate Clunker Replica"), I guess I'm a suitable target for Mike's experiment!:D Most of my reasons for liking Lark sedans so dang much have been outlined above. In my case I can add my interest in local history, which led to a desire to bring a Hamilton-built Stude "home". Beyond that...who wouldn't want such a fun, affordable, and even pretty economical, funky old nostalgia machine? Neighbours think the car's cool; the older ones even know what it is...and even people who don't recognize it sure notice it. Got an enthusiastic thumbs-up at a stoplight two Sunday eves ago en route home from a cruise, from a guy probably in his early 20s in a near-new Nissan Maxima. Chances are my Lark was the first Stude he'd ever seen, even in a town that has rather more Studes per capita than most!

Talking of four-doors, there's that gorgeous low-mileage unrestored '62 in the local chapter, which relates very directly to the questions at the top of this thread. The owner of that 62 used to have a "Deuce" steet rod. He saw this pristine Lark, and quite simply fell in love with it and had to have it. He's now an SDCer and he and the slickest four-door Lark I've ever seen are regular as the dawn at M'view cruises. And he's almost never not occupied in conversation with another cruise-goer about Studebakers. Is he happy about that state of affairs? Am I pleased my much-less-shiny Lark draws plenty of attention too? You betcha.

Cheers

S.

KevinSheen
09-09-2008, 12:47 PM
The term,"So ugly, its cute" comes to mind when I tink of my Champ. That's exactly what ran through my mind the first time I saw her. Since then, I have to agree with Bams about the bread and butter cars and trucks. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beerholder.

1963 Champ

Pat Dilling
09-09-2008, 02:17 PM
One good and noble thing no one has mentioned about 4 door cars is they make great parts cars! ;) Usually less expensive and people are less inclined to complain about stripping one to fix up one of the "desirable" cousins. Actually there are quite a number of 4 door cars that I admire greatly, the 30s era Commanders and Dictators with the suicide back doors and long hoods are gorgeous! As were many of the brand Xs. I have a freind that has a 36 Nash 4 door that I really like. I like the bullet nose 50-51 Studes and their 4 doors can be very attractive too. I also really like 60s era Lincoln Continentals with the suicide back doors. Also a number of 4 door hardtops really look cool. Then getting to wagons, what about the GM Hardtop Wagons like the Buick Caballero and Olds Fiesta? And perhaps the most beautiful car I have ever seen, started life as a 1954 Studebaker Champion 4 door and was customized into a faux Conestoga. So it was first a 4 door and then a wagon, though not both at the same time. [:0]

http://www.carnut.com/show/05/skat/kat288.jpg

Great experiment Mike and mucho credit to the forum members for not taking the bait and turning this into a flame war!

Pat



Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/stucool53/StuCoolsmallerSigpic.jpg

madmike
09-09-2008, 02:50 PM
Man!

well this wasn't the only place that we conducted the experiment. However it was the ONLY place where I wasn't flamed by the 7th reply. (I had to remove the thread on one of them)

It just shows to go ya that as we get older(and hopefully wiser)tolerance goes up exponentially. (it's just not worth getting all bent outta shape to alot of people)

The core thesis of "the experiment" was based on acceptance of a particularly unpleasant individual while he basically dogged just about everything sacred to the group. while some of his class chose to stand on the street and stage a civil protest, I "encouraged"him
to look into the cyber community to stage his experiment. (to lessen the risk of black eyes).I had to use the places I'm established in to save him from being banished from the few places I'll let him frequent. Besides, places where teens frequent have toughened the rules dramatically when it comes to members berating others, so it probably wasn't even possible on his sites anyway.

So again, sorry for turning this place into a "social experiment".
But you got to admit, it was different from the standard.

P.S. I do personally think a fondness for 4 doors puts one one step closer to justify buying that little electric scooter, and the hydraulic lift that attaches it to your bumper :D

Don't talk about what you are going to do,... talk about what you have DONE.

madmike
09-09-2008, 02:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by Pat Dilling

One good and noble thing no one has mentioned about 4 door cars is they make great parts cars! ;) Usually less expensive and people are less inclined to complain about stripping one to fix up one of the "desirable" cousins. Actually there are quite a number of 4 door cars that I admire greatly, the 30s era Commanders and Dictators with the suicide back doors and long hoods are gorgeous! As were many of the brand Xs. I have a freind that has a 36 Nash 4 door that I really like. I like the bullet nose 50-51 Studes and their 4 doors can be very attractive too. I also really like 60s era Lincoln Continentals with the suicide back doors. Also a number of 4 door hardtops really look cool. Then getting to wagons, what about the GM Hardtop Wagons like the Buick Caballero and Olds Fiesta? And perhaps the most beautiful car I have ever seen, started life as a 1954 Studebaker Champion 4 door and was customized into a faux Conestoga. So it was first a 4 door and then a wagon, though not both at the same time. [:0]

http://www.carnut.com/show/05/skat/kat288.jpg

Great experiment Mike and mucho credit to the forum members for not taking the bait and turning this into a flame war!

Pat



Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/stucool53/StuCoolsmallerSigpic.jpg





And strangely enough, It was pictures of this exact wagon that got me interested in the 53k I own in the first place

Don't talk about what you are going to do,... talk about what you have DONE.

Andy R.
09-09-2008, 04:37 PM
quote:The drivers of McCain's Straight Talk Express even shouted out the window that they would trade the candidate for the truck! Now that's friendly!

Well of course! Who wouldn't rather have a Studebaker Truck over a rusty Maverick that pulls hard to the right.;)

http://www.ctcautoranch.com/Cars/Ford/1975%20Ford%20Maverick/1975%20Ford%20Maverick%202.JPG

Andy
62 GT
http://a6.vox.com/6a00cdf7ec2443094f00e398c6501e0004-pi

sirbum
09-09-2008, 07:03 PM
I'll post a meaningless comment once I get over the depression state of this current bipolar spell!

StudeMichael
09-09-2008, 09:16 PM
If it's a Studebaker I love it. Year and model do not matter. I would still love it if it had three doors because it was so rusty one fell off. When I was 12 and started my Studebaker hobby/addiction I would had tried to restore a rusty three door Studebaker also. Now that I am in my early 40's with a family and a busy job I just know better but I still have three project cars and I worked on one of them tonight. The 4 door 1957 Packard Stephen Cade sold me. You will also notice most Studebaker guys end up with more than one if not multiple cars at once. We love them that much. Someone not wanting a nice 4 door is a-ok with us because that just makes the car available and most likely cheaper for the Stude guy that can't afford an R2 Avanti or 1950 Convertible.

So Peace Brother. Enjoy the ride!!!

1957 Packard Clipper
1958 Golden Hawk
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

klifton1
09-10-2008, 01:06 PM
I'm one of the guys that never paid to much attention to sedans. Always had roadsters, convertibles, hardtops or coupes. But lately, (don't know if it's age or not) but a 57 Packard sedan is looking pretty good.
Klif

55 Speedster