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Studebaker Wheel
09-08-2008, 03:31 AM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/cameracar1929copy.jpg?t=1220862584
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/cameracar1929b.jpg?t=1220862626

The subject of Studebaker photographs was brought up a while back and I think it may have been after I posted the photo of the 1952 Sample Street scene. In any event the topic was about the clarity of the photos and cameras, lens and etc. I thought I would clarify this by relating that the Studebaker Photograpic Department used large 8 X 10 studio view cameras for most all of their photography. I have maybe 2000 of these original negatives and the museum archives has maybe 20,000 to 30,000 or more. That’s correct the original negative size was 8 X 10!” This even included most all of the “on location” shots. They utilized their own Camera Car and it was purportedly made out of one of the 1929 Presidents that ran 30,000 miles in less than 30,000 minutes at the Atlantic City Board Track in 1928. In any event a photo of the truck is included as well as a second photo showing one of the large view cameras (the one in front) atop the car. The second camera appears to be a 4 X 5. This truck was used thru c1938 when it was replaced by a K10 Fast Transport panel. I also have a photo of it I can post later when I find it.

P.S. I am proud to be the 10,000th post. Please send prizes (cash only please) to my address listed in the Almanac column. I can really use the money to support my habit! (Ironically this was my 300th post, look out Studebob, I'm sneaking up on you!)

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

barnlark
09-08-2008, 05:29 AM
Are both of these available? I have to have copies of those two. So, those were the same size as Ansel Adams images. Not surprising because of the clarity seen in the enlargements. The smaller one looks exactly like both of my Speed Graphic cameras; 4x5 negative. They both need a dark hood over one's head for an exact focus, though that Speed Graphic probably has a range finder, too. I really love these images, especially being around live trucks all day for 28 years. I have a soft spot for panel trucks anyway and this is a camera car to boot. Just terrific. Bondo...you have to really enjoy these, as well.
Thanks for the late night post and digging those out.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0362.jpg

raprice
09-08-2008, 08:29 AM
Dick,
Thanks for posting those great pictures. I remember that newspaper photographers used to utilize Speed Graphic and similar large format cameras in their work. The clarity of the negatives are a testament to their value.
And, as it's been pointed out, Ansel Adams used a very large negative in his view camera.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

A1956GoldenHawk
09-08-2008, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/cameracar1929b.jpg?t=1220862626[/quote]

So Richard, which one is you???:D

Thanks again for sharing a bit of our "Studebaker Heritage" with us.


Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel
<snip> I have maybe 2000 of these original negatives and the museum archives has maybe 20,000 to 30,000 or more.

When ALL the photographic documentation in the SNM Archives has been identified and carefully categorized, will we begin to realize the enormity of the "GIFT" Studebaker Corporation left for present and future enthusiasts and historians.

The older I get ...the better I was!

Avantidon
09-08-2008, 10:36 AM
Richard You have done it again. Too bad we can't have them arrive at the monument re-dedication ceremonies set up their camera and take a great new group picture with the Mayor of Mokema up in the same tree he was in 28 years ago. That tree is still there but like the rest of us it's just a little bigger. Here's the memory for all who missed it in 1980.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/avantidon/Scan20007.jpg

See you soon

lstude
09-08-2008, 12:07 PM
Thanks for all the photos Richard.

Since I like to collect old Studebaker (and others) photos, Richard is a valuable resource to me, when I see a photo on eBay, and I am not sure if it is a Studebaker or what year. Richard always helps me out.


Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

Mark57
09-08-2008, 01:18 PM
Great stuff Richard... I'm sure you could make 10,000 posts on Studebaker memorabilia! [8D];)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStoreThumb.jpg

Studebaker Wheel
09-08-2008, 04:24 PM
barnlark; Yes, copies of the photos are available in 8 X 10 at $12 each plus postage.

a56goldenhawk; While the museum archives negative are not categorized by exact subject matter and exact title there is a sequential negative file booklet and all the negatives are stored in boxes in numerical sequence (and by year).

As for me up that tree (Avantidon) I do not plan to repeat that performance! Maybe someone younger like Mathew may want to give it a shot!? I do still have the 1980 photos I took from that vantage point however and they are quite good!

Mark57; Yes I could do 10,000 but I won't live that long!

lstude; Glad to assist. Always appreciate the heads up on the ones in which you are not interested.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Daan
09-08-2008, 04:55 PM
Cool pictures, thanks for posting these!
The 8X10 was a pretty standard size for "pro" cameras back then, in fact a guy who ran a photo lab I worked at years ago (who shot for GM in the 70s) said, he was really glad when they let him use his "small" 4X5 camera! THose big format cameras were unweildly for someone used to 35mm but the images they made were worth it. Was it one (or a small group) of photographers working for Stude. or was it a large rotating cast shooting for them? I remember meeting the guy who shot for Allis Chalmers when I was in school, it was that guy for most(if not all) of the photography they did at their West ALlis(Milwaukee) factory.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

Daan
09-08-2008, 05:39 PM
now that I remember, we had 4X5 "Crown Graphic" cameras at school, 99% of them were OD green and were stenciled "Property of US Army". They had to be 40 years old by the time I got them, they were still going strong.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

Roscomacaw
09-08-2008, 05:41 PM
Richard, I asked this earlier and I don't think you answered. My question was/is that while there's a number of shots of production line operation/activity, there's really only a handful that I've ever seen. I would GUESS there must be a slew of such that we've never seen. Or was it that they only focused (pardon the pun) on finished products, prototypes, facilities and persons?
I would think that some production line photos from different years and different line stations might answer questions as to proceedure and authenticity. What say ye?

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Studebaker Wheel
09-08-2008, 07:00 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/27assemblyline.jpg?t=1220918132

Bob; Yes there a many photos of various manufacturing operations including the final line assembly operations. Probably more in the early years than later. Above an example taken on the 2nd floor of building 79 showing a 1928 model GL Dictator sedan getting the treatment. Are you looking for something specific?

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Roscomacaw
09-08-2008, 07:30 PM
Since you asked, I'd like to see/have a photo(s) of some of my models of Studes on the assembly lines.

BTW, did you get my recent E-mail regarding horn buttons?

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Studebaker Wheel
09-08-2008, 08:02 PM
Bob; I just have far too many photos of the assembly line operations and they are filed by year not under "assembly line operations," so not so easy to access quickly. That is the reason I asked if you were looking for "something specific." Yes, received your email on the horn buttons.


Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

mbstude
09-08-2008, 08:06 PM
Mr. Quinn, how about a line of '63 Daytona hardtops? [8D]

The one of the Dictator is now my desktop picture.. Thanks. :)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Mark57
09-08-2008, 08:12 PM
I'll settle for a shot of the Transtar/Deluxe/Diesel line somewhere between 1957 and 1963. :)[8D] (please).

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/CandyStoreThumb.jpg

Warren Webb
09-08-2008, 08:32 PM
I just got a back issue of Car Life from Feb. 64 that shows a Daytona R-4 hardtop being made (with a great letter to the editor by a young Bob Palma!). With your collection & knoledge Mr. Quinn, wouldnt it be great to assemble a book on Studebaker production? Perhaps showing the evolution of changes in methods thru the years. I for one seem to suck up like a sponge anything I can find relating to this subject, especially Stude's.

A book I read as a kid really got me going called "OK For Drive Away" on the design & production of the 51 Packard, but its not enough! I want more! LOL:D


60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

Roscomacaw
09-08-2008, 08:53 PM
Money permitting, I'd find a way to work in the archives and go thru whatever's there.
Richard - has anyone ever done a comprehensive assessment of what's left of the company's records? I mean, I know that the stuff was treated with something short of respect initially. I'm aware that it was plundered some too. But has there ever been a comprehensive tally done of what's left?

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Andy R.
09-08-2008, 09:00 PM
What an interesting topic and images. Thanks for posting Mr. Quinn.

Here's a link to that Car Life article as posted on the Racing Studebakers website:
http://racingstudebakers.com/R4_page_2.htm

It's a good read!:)


Andy
62 GT
http://a6.vox.com/6a00cdf7ec2443094f00e398c6501e0004-pi

rayoung55
09-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Dick,

Would you have any production line photos showing 1926 Duplex Phaetons, the short wheel base cars aka Arizona Sheriffs? I would love to find such a photo(s).

If you go back to the years '74-'77 you may recall receiving a number of letters from some young fella from South Dakota who had found such a car in a garage. You encouraged him to pursue the car and for the last 31 years it has resided in our garage and on the roads. Thank you for your long dedication to the marque and encouraging the young folks then and now. You are a true asset to our hobby!!

Rob Young
Laramie

A1956GoldenHawk
09-08-2008, 10:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Since you asked, I'd like to see/have a photo(s) of some of my models of Studes on the assembly lines.


Like this???

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/GoldenHawk_photos/Studeassemblyline.jpg

The older I get ...the better I was!

lstude
09-08-2008, 10:20 PM
Why is he putting a window in a 52 Studebaker in 1953?

Nice picture, though. Thanks.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

barnlark
09-08-2008, 10:28 PM
Leonard, for many of us it takes a year to get them in and straight!

A1956GoldenHawk
09-08-2008, 10:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

Why is he putting a window in a 52 Studebaker in 1953?


Well, maybe John is taking it out of a '52 to re-use in a '53!!!:D

The older I get ...the better I was!

Studebaker Wheel
09-09-2008, 03:14 AM
Well, I got more of an assignment than I really wanted! Sorry but I will not have time to look up everything that you have requested but may post some of them from time to time.

To Rob Young; Yes I remember that Big Six Duplex you mentioned and even the old gent that had it, Kenneth A. Larsen. I believe that was more than 30 years ago. I am glad you still have the car and hope you can post some photos as it now appears. Somewhere I still have the photos you sent me back in the 1970's. If memory serves me it still had a 1934 South Dakota plate on it when it was pulled out of that garage!?

Bob; As for the assessment of the archives the answer is yes and no. We have a full time archivist and the collection is in better shape now that it has been since Studebaker owned it. We know in general terms what is there but the sheer volume precludes a inventory of every last item. Interesting things are still being uncovered.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

bams50
09-09-2008, 05:11 AM
I join the others in thanking you for posting these, Mr. Quinn! I just love these types of pictures. From time to time we see a picture turn up, and I always enjoy them. I'll keep my eye open for photos of any of my beloved Larks on the assembly line[^]

Like Matthew, that picture is now my desktop pic as well![8D]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Michidan
09-09-2008, 07:47 AM
Barnlark - HAhahahaha. You got that one right.
The job is still fresh in my mind from last year. Installing windows in that exact model. It FELT like it took a year. The look on my face was a bit different than this guys.

Dan
52 hardtop
www.studebakerhardtop.com

rayoung55
09-09-2008, 10:01 AM
You have one amazing memory Dick. You are correct on both counts!!

Thanks again for all you do!!

Rob

2R5
09-09-2008, 11:51 AM
Richard if you ever see a picture of the 1960 truck cab being dropped I would be interested in that . I was told by an old employee that the 2 indentions in the cab of a 60 were to do with the drop and they changed in 61 so those indents were not needed. I've always wondered how true this was.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/Champ-1.jpg
LANCASTER or BUST
"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

barnlark
09-27-2008, 09:12 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/cameracar1929copy.jpg?t=1220862584


http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0577.jpg

I had to take this at work to show how the "camera car" design has degenerated from the Stude version. To make it even worse, the people who designed and installed the wrap made the sliding door break the word up TROUBLESHOOTER HELP LINE and phone number to now read "HOOTER HELP" when the door is open. Nice. People want to pose with it just for that.
Studebaker Wheel, I waited at the Lancaster Host lounge for your return thursday with the above photo, but never saw you again. I was forced to drink more beer than necessary, so there went your money. ;)

Warren Webb
09-27-2008, 09:33 AM
2R5....where are those indentations? I have both 60 & 61 cabs so I can check it out!

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

ClaymoreWW
09-27-2008, 09:33 AM
There WAS an interim progression between the two camera cars shown - and here it is!

http://www.teamwetworks.com/claymore/photos/images/1_-_studebakers/miscellaneous_studebakers/wagonairetoy.jpg

;)

--george

1963 Lark Daytona HT - 63V J8 175
http://www.teamwetworks.com/claymore/larkkey.jpg

barnlark
09-27-2008, 09:38 AM
That's cool..you guys have everything stashed away. :D

DEEPNHOCK
09-27-2008, 10:13 AM
Now THAT is the job I want... Hooter Help.
I am qualified to help, you know;)
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by barnlark
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0577.jpg


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937CEBearfootingArtwithLabelgif-1.jpg http://www.racingstudebakers.com/avatar_01.jpg http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

bams50
09-27-2008, 11:03 AM
Most of you have probably seen the picture of a whole row of white Wagonaires parked with cameramen all shooting video, standing up in the back of the cars. That's a great picture, and I've got an 11 1/2" x 18" print of it right on my home office wall.

Maybe somebody here can post it[8D]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Guido
09-27-2008, 11:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Now THAT is the job I want... Hooter Help.
I am qualified to help, you know;)
Jeff[8D] Sorry Jeff, as the sign indicates you are 4357th in line......

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/63/663/9/36/86/2567936860097493054TXiheL_th.jpgGuido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

DEEPNHOCK
09-27-2008, 12:21 PM
I guess I don't understand what a camera car is;)
Jeff[8D]
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/makerfairecameracar.jpg

Here are a few other 'non-Stude' camera cars...
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/OlYallerIVCameraDrHerbie.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/69956232.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/twolane55camera-1971.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/camera-car.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/lrg_camera_car.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/Tommixwithanearlycameracar.jpg


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937CEBearfootingArtwithLabelgif-1.jpg http://www.racingstudebakers.com/avatar_01.jpg http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

bams50
09-27-2008, 12:47 PM
I don't have any pictures of the cameras on the cars, but here's some in-car shots from my racing thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E54LT2nf0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAcSvyz9klI

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

barnlark
09-27-2008, 05:15 PM
Great pics, Jeff! Amazing how inspired you are with a little hooter help..;):D

studegary
09-27-2008, 06:51 PM
I remember when Lowell Thomas, a fellow Dutchess County resident, used Wagonaires as movie reel camera cars.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

HAWK64
09-27-2008, 07:21 PM
[quote]Originally posted by bams50

Most of you have probably seen the picture of a whole row of white Wagonaires parked with cameramen all shooting video, standing up in the back of the cars. That's a great picture, and I've got an 11 1/2" x 18" print of it right on my home office wall.

Maybe somebody here can post it[8D]

[brown]Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

Bob,dont believe I've seen that Wagonaire picture but do have an original 16mm black & white movie done by Studebaker/Movietone News showing the fleet of white Wagonaires with the movie cameras mounted on tripods with the sliding roofs open driving off to capture the news of the day. Its an excellent quality movie with an introduction of Movietones great film footages from the early 20th century including the Hindenburg disaster at Lakehurst NJ, etc. Runs about 15 minutes.Never heard of this print being converted to DVD format so presume its a rare item.








http://www.studebakercarclub.net/jim.jpg
"QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER"
MELBOURNE.

BRUCESTUDE
09-27-2008, 10:38 PM
Dick- Thanks for posting these photos! I especially like the "behind the scene" shot of the photogs at work,a real masterpiece!
Someday I hope to peruse the archives, or your archives and order a bunch of prints!:D

Bruce Newell
Yakima, Wa

bams50
09-27-2008, 10:55 PM
HAWK64, I'm sure it's a common print from the movie you mention. I bought it on eBay, and it's clearly not a vintage photo. I liked it so well I paid about $15-20 for it. If I had a working scanner I'd post it...

Where's Leonard? He must have it.....

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"