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Dick Steinkamp
09-07-2008, 09:01 PM
I took this at the Whatcom County Mini-Meet today. Thought it could almost be an advertisement for Studebaker...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/hovander014-1.jpg

It's James and Stephenie Bell's super nice R1 Cruiser.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

bams50
09-07-2008, 09:31 PM
SIGH.... I do love the Cruisers[:X] That one's almost the twin to this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/63-R-1-Cruiser_W0QQitemZ270269862537QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem



Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

41 Frank
09-07-2008, 09:48 PM
Except for the Chebby van in the background that would indeed have made a good shot for a sales brochure for the new 63's Dick.

Frank van Doorn
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1963 Daytona Conv
1941 Champion R-2 Rod

JDP
09-07-2008, 09:49 PM
$2500 high bid for that ebay R1 Cruiser ? That's just sad.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

studegary
09-07-2008, 09:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by 41 Frank

Except for the Chebby van in the background that would indeed have made a good shot for a sales brochure for the new 63's Dick.

Frank van Doorn



And except for the whitewalls.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

bams50
09-07-2008, 10:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

$2500 high bid for that ebay R1 Cruiser ? That's just sad.



I agree; the first time it did $3,383. First time here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-63-R-1-Cruiser_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQihZ017QQitemZ270263429473QQrdZ1QQsspage nameZWDVW

And we discussed it here:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21284

I figure it's well worth the BIN; yet it does one bid, for even less, the second time You just don't know...




Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

[b]"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

StudeRich
09-07-2008, 10:45 PM
What! you don't like correct whitewalls Gary? [:0] What would you like them to be, cheapy cheeseball blackwalls? :D



quote:Originally posted by studegary

And except for the whitewalls. Gary L.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

studegary
09-07-2008, 10:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

What! you don't like correct whitewalls Gary? [:0] What would you like them to be, cheapy cheeseball blackwalls? :D



quote:Originally posted by studegary

And except for the whitewalls. Gary L.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA


No, I would like them to be the correct whitewall for a 1963 Cruiser, which is about 1 inch of white starting at the rim.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Dick Steinkamp
09-07-2008, 11:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary

No, I would like them to be the correct whitewall for a 1963 Cruiser, which is about 1 inch of white starting at the rim.




My understanding is that 1962 was a "transition" year for whitewalls. At that time, you would find the 1" whitewalls starting at the rim on some cars (including some Studebakers). Many at that time did have the 1" whitewalls with a band of black tire spacing it off the rim (like modern whitewalls). By 1963, I don't think you'd find ANY manufacturer using the 1" whitewall starting at the rim.

The 1963 Studebaker full line brochure I have does show some of the cars with the whitewall starting at the rim, but most with the black tire band between the whitewall and the rim. Since the brochure was probably done in late summer of 1962, this is understandable. But I doubt if many (if any) 1963 Studebakers were delivered with tires with the whitewall starting at the rim.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

41 Frank
09-07-2008, 11:44 PM
The whitewalls on my 63 Daytona are exactly like the ones in the picture and they have never been challenged by any judge at any National meet the car has been shown to date. I also agree with the whitewalls being in transition.

Frank van Doorn
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1963 Daytona Conv
1941 Champion R-2 Rod

BobPalma
09-08-2008, 06:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by studegary

No, I would like them to be the correct whitewall for a 1963 Cruiser, which is about 1 inch of white starting at the rim.




My understanding is that 1962 was a "transition" year for whitewalls. At that time, you would find the 1" whitewalls starting at the rim on some cars (including some Studebakers). Many at that time did have the 1" whitewalls with a band of black tire spacing it off the rim (like modern whitewalls). By 1963, I don't think you'd find ANY manufacturer using the 1" whitewall starting at the rim.

The 1963 Studebaker full line brochure I have does show some of the cars with the whitewall starting at the rim, but most with the black tire band between the whitewall and the rim. Since the brochure was probably done in late summer of 1962, this is understandable. But I doubt if many (if any) 1963 Studebakers were delivered with tires with the whitewall starting at the rim.

Dick Steinkamp


:) Agreed, Dick; you saved me a lot of typing - thanks!;) :DBP

StudeRich
09-08-2008, 03:27 PM
Well I have to disagree with Dick and Bob P's good answers (mostly correct) to Gary's thought about the narrow whites being at the rim on '63's.

Yes there actually WERE Studebakers delivered with those ugly, odd tires! I would still have proof of that, if I had not thrown away the set of 4 U.S. Royal 6.40/6.50 Whitewalls I had from 1964 to 2005, that were from a '63 Lark!

The thing is there is no way to prove if James & Stephanie Bell's Cruiser had those very rare tires from early '63 or not even though it is an early car, since there was no style change part number and car Serial shown in parts manuals for tires, tires are not even listed at all.

I think in SDC we are way more concerned with what the MAJORITY of cars had, rather than the few dozen or hundred, unless we are talking SIGNIFICANT CHANGES like early/late '63 GT Hawk Parking Lights or something, and even then, who is going to match the car serial number to the parking light change serial number?

StudeRich Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

lstude
09-08-2008, 03:44 PM
There was one on eBay with the original spare in the trunk.

I remember seeing them in the showroom and I thought they were extremely ugly. They just looked like blackwalls to me. But I don't remember if it was early in the year or not.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/63Larkwhitewall.jpg

By the way, the Bell's Cruiser is just beautiful, just like it is.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

StudeDave57
09-08-2008, 03:46 PM
Screw the whitewalls- let's play another game~
how many people in this picture can you name [?] [?] [?]
(people in it, or the guy who took it don't get to play, sorry)

I can name four... ;)


StudeDave '57 [8D]

StudeRich
09-08-2008, 03:58 PM
Dave, you've got one heck of a good eye if you picked out the guy on the bench in the upper right of Dick's pic! He is a very rarely photographed but quite well known, long time Tacoma Chapter member who drove over 100 miles to be there!
The three dudes on the left are not too hard to I.D. even from behind!


quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57

how many people in this picture can you name [?] [?] [?]
I can name four...

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

studegary
09-08-2008, 03:58 PM
My input was in response to the comment of the picture being good enough to be used in a Studebaker advertisement. I agree that it is a very nice Cruiser and I would not take points off for the whitewalls. I am just pointing out that that is not what would have been used for a Studebaker advertising picture of a 1963 Cruiser.

My statement on the whitewalls is based on;
1) My recollection of 1963 Cruisers at introduction,
2) The 1963 Cruiser that my Father in Law bought new,
3) The original, unused spare in my 28K mile 1963 Cruiser,
4) A set of those tires that I had and included with my 1963 Skytop,
5) 1963 Studebaker brochure PD63-14. In that brochure, the Cruiser and most Larks are shown with the whitewall that starts from the rim. The Wagonaire, Gran Turismo Hawk and Avanti are shown with the whitewall that starts about one inch from the rim. I believe that the different style of whitewall coincides with the different tire sizes.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

StudeDave57
09-08-2008, 04:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich


quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57

how many people in this picture can you name [?] [?] [?]
I can name four...
Dave, you've got one heck of a good eye if you picked out the guy on the bench in the upper right of Dick's pic! He is a very rarely photographed but quite well known, long time Tacoma Chapter member who drove over 100 miles to be there! The three dudes on the left are not too hard to I.D. even from behind! StudeRich
He's actually not the 4th person, but IF I look hard enough~
I might just know that guy too, eh?!?!?!

StudeDave '57 [8D]

Dick Steinkamp
09-08-2008, 06:50 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57

[size=4][font=Comic Sans MS][b]Screw the whitewalls- let's play another game~
how many people in this picture can you name [?] [?] [?]
(people in it, or the guy who took it don't get to play, sorry)

I can name four... ;)





I think the dog's name was Sparky.

[:o)]



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg

Bill Pressler
09-08-2008, 07:38 PM
There's a '63 Cruiser original 'factory' postcard that this photo reminds me very much of...similar-color car, with a dog in the photo, taken (I think) at the Proving Ground. Anybody else know which postcard I mean?

I've mentioned it before, but a '63 Cruiser..especially with optional broadcloth upholstery ($72 option)...is my absolute favorite four-door Studebaker!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/hovander014-1.jpg

It's James and Stephenie Bell's super nice R1 Cruiser.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg


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Warren Webb
09-08-2008, 08:40 PM
I know the picture you mean Bill. The one with the miniture Studebaker wagon & little girl playing with the dog. This car would be a dead ringer for that one & wow, what great condition!

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

Bob Langer
09-08-2008, 08:52 PM
Here is the postcard. This same picture is in the 1963 brochure.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/regnalbob/scan-7.jpg

Bob Langer
Glenshaw,PA

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/regnalbob/cropped-1.jpg

BobPalma
09-08-2008, 09:19 PM
:) Anybody notice anything? I've probably looked at that brochure/post card photo a thousand times in my life...but just tonight noticed what could be a terra-cotta Studebaker Wheel on the Proving Ground post in the upper left corner! [:0] Take a closer look! :DBP

lstude
09-08-2008, 09:48 PM
quote: Anybody notice anything? I've probably looked at that brochure/post card photo a thousand times in my life...but just tonight noticed what could be a terra-cotta Studebaker Wheel on the Proving Ground post in the upper left corner! Take a closer look! BP

You're right Bob. I blew up, and darkened both the picture in the brochure and the post card ( the post card was clearer, but smaller) and you can see the Studebaker wheel.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/63Larkpostcardscrop.jpg



Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

studegary
09-09-2008, 12:46 PM
You can also see the whitewall that starts at the rim.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

2R5
09-09-2008, 02:53 PM
I bet that picture was taken at the residence that was there . the building is still there , at least it was the last time I was there.



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"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT