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bams50
09-05-2008, 05:26 PM
I was thinking about the streamer tags today. Here's the tag from the Skytop:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/4dr%20Skytop/4drSkytop044.jpg

A few people said they'd really like to have one. In fact I'd like to have more myself.

Mike G. mentioned he had some blanks these tags were made from. That got me thinking about repops; how hard could it be? Just a matter of figuring out how to repro the type.

So I took the above tag off and took it to a good friend of mine. He's a second-generation old-school master machinist. I wanted to see if he had any ideas for reproducing the stamping. He asked to keep the tag and mull it over. He's going to consult with his foundry guy at the end of the month and see what they can come up with.

So for now, I have a few questions:

1. What are they made of? I heard lead mentioned once, but it seems too hard for that. I drew the edge across paper and it didn't leave a line. A magnet doesn't pick it up. So, you got me.

2. How many different ones were there? I know "sun.roof" and "4-speed". Were there more? Also, any pictures of them would be great.

3. Any opinions on how much demand there would be for these? I think those that want them would really love to get them, but how many would that add up to- maybe 20 of each? More? Less?

4. Any suggestions on how to recreate the type? We're thinking creating dies; just not sure how to do so.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts, opinions, and ideas. No promises, but we're giving it a try![^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Studeman
09-05-2008, 05:37 PM
I had a tag that simply said "KIT"...
It was for a 1962 Taxi...
Never did find out what all the KIT entailed...

Ray

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Specializing in Studebaker Restoration

JBOYLE
09-05-2008, 05:39 PM
To reproduce the tags...
How about checking with a local tool & die company?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Dick Steinkamp
09-05-2008, 05:54 PM
The body number on all Canadian built cars from at least '63 on were streamers. Only the model identifier was screwed to the firewall.

I've heard that these streamers were only on SOME of the cars. For example, not all 4 speed cars got a 4 speed streamer.

It would be great to know the WHOLE story behind the streamers.

When did Studebaker start using them?

Why were they only used for certain options?

What options received a streamer?

Why did some cars get the streamer and others didn't with the same option (if what I heard is true)?

Did ALL Studebaker factories use streamers?





Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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r1lark
09-05-2008, 06:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

I was thinking about the streamer tags today.

3. Any opinions on how much demand there would be for these? I think those that want them would really love to get them, but how many would that add up to- maybe 20 of each? More? Less?
Thank you in advance for your thoughts, opinions, and ideas. No promises, but we're giving it a try![^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"


Bob,

I need one for my Skytop.....mine was broken off (just the edge left under the screw) before I got the car. I guess I would take a spare too....

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com

bondobilly
09-05-2008, 06:05 PM
There is a huge tool and die and stamping company next door to my buddy's body shop. If you want me to check with them,let me know.

sweetolbob
09-05-2008, 06:06 PM
As JDP would say "Let Google be your friend". Looked up embossed metal tags and found out the solution may be as simple as purchasing an embossing machine. Bob http://www.metaltags.com/machines.htm

Roscomacaw
09-05-2008, 06:08 PM
I'm sure Dwain will chime in here, but you can buy the die stencil machine that does the lettering. It's like a Dymo label maker actually - only with positive and negative "sets" on a rotary wheel. Manually operated, they are not cheap! Besides that, while there are one's that can handle the material the streamers are made with, they aren't flexible enough to do the standard body tags as well. Besides, the body tags used larger font than these stencil units offer.
It's long been a wonder - WHERE did Studebaker's stencil machine disappear to? It's pretty obvious it didn't make the jump to Canada 'cause the Canadian cars didn't use the same size and style of tags. Does anyone know of the body tubs for Canadian cars were jig built IN Canada? If so, that would explain why/how they got away with different style tags.
Cars outta the LA plant had tags exactly like the ones from SB, so I assume the body tubs were of SB manufacture.

While I've talked about this before, I've got the streamer tag that someone found on a '64 Commander sedan some years ago. It says "SPEC QTR" on it. And there was nothing outwardly od or different about the car. Richard Quinn looked up the PO for that car and there's nothing on it that points to that streamer's abbreviated message or meaning![B)]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Warren Webb
09-05-2008, 06:11 PM
I question why they put the hole to attach it on the right side of the streamer? Why not put it on the left, or was it initially meant to be on the left, but some other conciderations put it on the right?

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

lstude
09-05-2008, 06:13 PM
I have one that came off of my 63 Lark parts car that I can't figure out what it means.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Studebakerbodytags004.jpg



Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

Roscomacaw
09-05-2008, 06:14 PM
sweetolbob, most of the machines on that site have the capability to do rather small characters. They wouldn't be ANYthing close to authentic in appearance.:)

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Roscomacaw
09-05-2008, 06:16 PM
Leonard, some years ago I got one off a 61 sedan that just has a "G" on it! Go figure![:I]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Guido
09-05-2008, 06:16 PM
I think that Gary Ash did some research on this and posted either here or on Studebaker Truck Talk. As Mr. Biggs mentions, this takes a machine to emboss the tags. The problem that Gary had was matching up the font.

Speaking of wondering where the stencil machine went, I am still kicking myself for being a CASO and not getting the tailgate stencil machine when Dennis put it up for sale.

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r1lark
09-05-2008, 06:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's long been a wonder - WHERE did Studebaker's stencil machine disappear to? [/B)]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

A second mystery - where did the machine(s) that stamped the serial numbers into the serial number plates disappear to? Did Nate Altman get it (or them) and use them for the Avanti II serial number plates?? If so, where is it now?

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com

bams50
09-05-2008, 06:38 PM
Yes, the problem isn't finding embossing tools, it's duplicating the font. That's what we're trying to figure out.

If we can clear that hurdle, the rest is no big deal.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Roscomacaw
09-05-2008, 07:08 PM
I know that some vendor types tried to find out what happened to these machines in the early 70s. The most that was found were some body tag and serial # blanks.

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

studelark
09-05-2008, 07:09 PM
Friends; As Gary Hearn stated above, Gary Ash did quite an extensive study and research on body tags for the same reason this discussion started- reproduction. Gary is an engineer and had a strong interest in this possibility. He discussed the problems he ran into in a series of postings September 5-7, 2006. To my memory, he posted this information only on STUDEBAKER TRUCK TALK. If you will find these postings, the questions raised here will be answered. He may even want to jump in here with updated information.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
60S-W6
1948 M16-52 Boyer fire truck

Guido
09-05-2008, 07:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Friends; As Gary Hearn stated above, Gary Ash did quite an extensive study and research on body tags for the same reason this discussion started- reproduction. Gary is an engineer and had a strong interest in this possibility. He discussed the problems he ran into in a series of postings September 5-7, 2006. To my memory, he posted this information only on STUDEBAKER TRUCK TALK. If you will find these postings, the questions raised here will be answered. He may even want to jump in here with updated information.
I do not know how Frank remembered the date (other than by searching though the STT archives), but the post was there (embedded in another). While it was buried back on page 126, the date allowed me to zero in on it. Here is a link to the thread, you will need to scroll down to Gary's initial post and take it from there.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/23885/message/1157237654/For+you+East+Coast+STTers

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Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
09-05-2008, 07:38 PM
I now recall taking part in that discussion - TWO years ago![:0] Yeah - expensive proposition even without considerations for proper font![}:)]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

showbizkid
09-05-2008, 07:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

I have one that came off of my 63 Lark parts car that I can't figure out what it means.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Studebakerbodytags004.jpg


Leonard, that was obviously the rare Moonshine Runner accessory kit, with the 150-gallon tank under the back seat! [:o)]


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

bams50
09-05-2008, 07:56 PM
Very illuminating. Great work Frank and Gary for finding and sharing that thread.

My friend that's looking into this is a second-generation, nearly 70-year machinist. He owns an antique racer he built himself. The engine is a 292 GMC 6-banger, for which he made his own head, manifolds, and pistons; even made his own transmission, steel case and all! Well into his 80s, he still works in his fully-equipped machine shop every day. He does work for people and companies all over the world; a true living treasure. I'm talking him into letting me take some pictures and do a story on him for the local paper.

All my life, and racing career, Bill's been my go-to guy; so I brought this to him. I think if he can't come up with a workable idea, one doesn't exist;)

Time will tell.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

mbstude
09-05-2008, 08:01 PM
Sounds like a plan Bams... I'll take one of the 4 speed streamers. That'll look great next to the '63S' body tag on my Daytona. Wonder if I'll ever confuse anyone. :)

I have a picture of the 'sunroof' tag, but obviously, you have that one already. :)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/andy-1.jpg

PlainBrownR2
09-05-2008, 08:27 PM
quote:
1. What are they made of? I heard lead mentioned once, but it seems too hard for that. I drew the edge across paper and it didn't leave a line. A magnet doesn't pick it up. So, you got me.


Hmmm, I'm thinkin it might be stamped aluminum. Just like on the Stove Hugger's thread on the BBQ, if a magnet doesn't pick it up and it looks like its metal, I know aluminum is one of those that does that sort of thing. :)


quote:
I have one that came off of my 63 Lark parts car that I can't figure out what it means.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Studebakerbodytags004.jpg


I know what ya got there. You got the girl's model Studebaker sold!! [:o)]
(For those wondering about that statement, in genetics XX means you have a girl, XY means you have a boy ;))


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/My%201950%202r5%20Studebaker%20Pickup%20with%20turbocharger/P1000145-1.jpg
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/My%201950%202r5%20Studebaker%20Pickup%20with%20turbocharger/P1000137-1.jpg[/img=left]
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3rdGenStude
09-05-2008, 11:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

I was thinking about the streamer tags today.
2. How many different ones were there? I know "sun.roof" and "4-speed". Were there more? Also, any pictures of them would be great.

I recall seeing a picture for an extra streamer for the Speedster. Mine doesn't have one. But I'd get one if available.


Paul

In memory of Boris, the 1950 Land Cruiser project,
. . . he became a down payment for. . .
Natasha, the 1955 Speedster project
http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/55sidethumb-1.jpghttp://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/55frontthumb-1.jpg

showbizkid
09-06-2008, 12:43 AM
I'd take one that said "PLAIN" for my Standard!


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

barnlark
09-06-2008, 12:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

[quote]Originally posted by lstude

I have one that came off of my 63 Lark parts car that I can't figure out what it means.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Studebakerbodytags004.jpg


"Leonard, that was obviously the rare Moonshine Runner accessory kit, with the 150-gallon tank under the back seat! [:o)]"

Clark, I'm surprised you went with moonshine so close to Mexico. It's obvious this car came with a case of Dos Equis as an option from the Vernon plant. ;) :D

StudeDave57
09-06-2008, 01:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
Clark, I'm surprised you went with moonshine so close to Mexico. It's obvious this car came with a case of Dos Equis as an option from the Vernon plant. ;) :D
I'd chalk that one up to all the lame-@$$ Corona Light radio commercials we must endure down here~ every 15 minutes~ it's got some guy who gets lots of calls on his cell phone through-out the commercial. [:0] [xx(] [B)] [V]

How weird that you should use the words "It's obvious" 'cuz those two words are actually used in said lame-@$$ commercial!!! [:0]

I hate that commercial.



StudeDave '57 [8D]
San Diego, Ca.
San Diego County SDC
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview 'Betsy' (she's a 2dr wagon...)
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

Part owner of the one and only
'55 PROTOTYPE panel van

klifton1
09-06-2008, 10:48 AM
I have the Speedster tag on my car. It is spelled SPEEDSTR. Tried for a photo but to much reflection off the yellow paint.
Klif


55 Speedster

barnlark
09-06-2008, 11:08 AM
StudeDave, you need to get into one of those focus groups for advertisers! There are so many commercials that send consumers in the opposite direction like that. You watch them and think to yourself, what are they thinking? I usually can't remember what a commercial was about sometimes when they are that bad, but they must figure even a bad memory is a memory of a product and they've done their part. Sorry about the "obvious" usage triggering bad images, it just made me want a Dos Equis when I saw the streamer. Maybe the original owner bought it for his wife and wanted it to say two kisses. [:X]

bams50
09-06-2008, 11:57 AM
OK, I'm going to blow up my own thread...

Worst commercial ever: The current Cheerios commercial! Features an unattractive couple in unflattering coloring. The husband mentions that it says "low fat" on the box and asks if she's dieting. She turns into a total b***h and jumps all over him- "Do I look like I need to lose weight??" He falls apart and says "N-N-NO, it's just the box!" She glares, he cowers, and finally she says, "What else does the box say??" He says, "Box says, 'shut up, Steve'".... and she responds with a fake, condescending smile:(

Lesson: Cheerios is for unattractive, mean women married to spineless, cowardly men. Made me not ever want Cheerios again![xx(]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

studegary
09-06-2008, 07:32 PM
Over the years I have seen quite a few of those streamers. Where I saw the most in one place is when I went to a city auction in South Bend of cars pulled off the street. Many of those cars had streamers like; SPCL SILLS. This would be similar to the; SPCL QTRS that Bob K posted. I think that these were employee owned cars that the factory did something special to (different material, shape, coating, etc.) and then tracked for awhile. I think that: 4 SPD, SUN ROOF and AIR COND would be the most popular/desired. I think that the; XX, G, etc. were special build for an employee (executive) or for a special purpose (show).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
09-06-2008, 07:38 PM
I never really thought about it, but maybe the streamers are tin. The color of the metal and the ease of bending it and breaking it agree with tin. I would think that they would use something malleable to make the die stamping easier. This would be something like aluminum or tin. I don't think that aluminum was as commonly used for this sort of thing in the '50s-early'60s as tin was. Of course, it could be an alloy, but I would doubt it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

A1956GoldenHawk
09-06-2008, 07:46 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary

Over the years I have seen quite a few of those streamers. Where I saw the most in one place is when I went to a city auction in South Bend of cars pulled off the street. <snip>


IF ...that city auction was held in '69 on W. Sample St., I bet I beat you to a lot of the Stude "goodies.":D

The older I get ...the better I was!

Dwain G.
09-06-2008, 07:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary

I never really thought about it, but maybe the streamers are tin. The color of the metal and the ease of bending it and breaking it agree with tin. I would think that they would use something malleable to make the die stamping easier. This would be something like aluminum or tin. I don't think that aluminum was as commonly used for this sort of thing in the '50s-early'60s as tin was. Of course, it could be an alloy, but I would doubt it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

_______________________________________
Yes! The machines that I am familiar with used a tin 'tape'. The tape came on a big roll, a foot or so in diameter. A very basic description of these machines would be floor-model Dymo label maker:)

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/images/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

8E45E
09-06-2008, 07:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by klifton1

I have the Speedster tag on my car. It is spelled SPEEDSTR. Tried for a photo but to much reflection off the yellow paint.


Here's one from a Speedster that was in South Bend in 2002, and again in 2007.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/2834915726_8e3f589ac4_b.jpg

Craig

studegary
09-06-2008, 08:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by A1956GoldenHawk


quote:Originally posted by studegary

Over the years I have seen quite a few of those streamers. Where I saw the most in one place is when I went to a city auction in South Bend of cars pulled off the street. <snip>


IF ...that city auction was held in '69 on W. Sample St., I bet I beat you to a lot of the Stude "goodies.":D



No, it wasn't that auction or year. It was in the '71-'73 time frame. The City of South Bend saved up all of the Studebakers from the year for one big sale when all of the SDC folks were in town.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

barnlark
09-06-2008, 09:25 PM
Since I first saw the streamer in your original post about the skytop, Bob, they have fascinated me. I'm kind of shocked that a firm answer about how, why and when they were used is still not a sure thing. Educated guesses by those of you around the factory and Studebakers since the late 50's are pretty darn good ones, but I am stunned that there isn't a memo, or service letter floating around out there confirming their usage.

If every one of these cars with them on the firewall were special ordered for execs and employees only, it's amazing they are still around and seemingly found everywhere. We could guess forever, but I'd sure like to know from one person on the line how many years they used them and for how many reasons. If they were just to distinguish similar models with special options from others on a delivery truck destined for a dealer that would make sense, but some of them are just obvious model designation tags. Sure are many unanswered questions concerning these.

Like on the skytop...I just wonder what came first; the body tag with the attached streamer telling them to weld on, or cut out the skytop roof.. or a Lark body already with a big rectangular hole coming down the line having the streamer placed on later in case no one noticed? They sure seem to be a rare and fun item to own, though. [^]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0362.jpg

studegary
09-06-2008, 09:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Since I first saw the streamer in your original post about the skytop, Bob, they have fascinated me.
If every one of these cars with them on the firewall were special ordered for execs and employees only, it's amazing they are still around and seemingly found everywhere. We could guess forever, but I'd sure like to know from one person on the line how many years they used them and for how many reasons. If they were just to distinguish similar models with special options from others on a delivery truck destined for a dealer that would make sense, but some of them are just obvious model designation tags. Sure are many unanswered questions concerning these.

Like on the skytop...I just wonder what came first; the body tag with the attached streamer telling them to weld on, or cut out the skytop roof.. or a Lark body already with a big rectangular hole coming down the line having the streamer placed on later in case no one noticed? They sure seem to be a rare and fun item to own, though. [^]



I wasn't stating that all of the streamers were for executives or special orders, just the ones with only "G" or "XX". All of the common ones were for regular production.
The streamers were on the body before paint and trimming out. They were used to identify "unusual" items for the line workers.
A Skytop roof panel starts out as a different part from a normal roof panel. It is not a normal panel with a hole cut into it on the line.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
09-06-2008, 10:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


quote:Originally posted by klifton1

I have the Speedster tag on my car. It is spelled SPEEDSTR. Tried for a photo but to much reflection off the yellow paint.


Here's one from a Speedster that was in South Bend in 2002, and again in 2007.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/2834915726_8e3f589ac4_b.jpg

Craig


I have never seen a factory streamer held on with two screws. Most of the streamers don't even have the material on the end for a second screw. I seem to remember the Speedster streamers as having the word Speedster abbreviated. I think that they were only on the early/first Speedsters. This Speedster is 79% through the production of bodies. The one pictured may be a reproduced streamer. That may be a good start on where to get these made up.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Mr. Bill
09-08-2008, 06:14 AM
There was a 1956 President Classic on Ebay within the past year with factory air. It had a streamer marked AIR COND attached in the same manner as the examples here.

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

lstude
09-08-2008, 11:38 AM
There must have been some confusion on the assembly line when the early 55 President Deluxe, with no butter knife trim, came out.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Studebakerbodytags005.jpg



Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

Roscomacaw
09-08-2008, 12:23 PM
I've got a streamer here that I took off a '55 coupe some time ago. It reads ( C3 2-tone ) and indeed, it was on a C3 trim coupe that had the 2-tone break mouldings that mounted below the rear window, from left to right rear quarter windows. I don't recall ever seeing a streamer on anything earlier than a '55.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

klifton1
09-08-2008, 03:34 PM
The Speedster streamer on my car is about 5-3/8 in by about 7/8 in with a mounting hole on both ends. How ever it was held on by only one screw attached to the body tag. This is car # 277. I also moved it over and used two screws to mount it.http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/klifton1/IMG_0167.jpg
Klif

55 Speedster

studegary
09-08-2008, 04:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by klifton1

The Speedster streamer on my car is about 5-3/8 in by about 7/8 in with a mounting hole on both ends. How ever it was held on by only one screw attached to the body tag. This is car # 277. I also moved it over and used two screws to mount it
Klif

55 Speedster



This supports my three comments about; attached on one end, early Speedster production (your car's body is in first 13%) and Speedster abbreviated.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

barnlark
09-10-2008, 03:29 PM
"The streamers were on the body before paint and trimming out. They were used to identify "unusual" items for the line workers.
A Skytop roof panel starts out as a different part from a normal roof panel. It is not a normal panel with a hole cut into it on the line."
Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

Gary, I appreciate the work that you've done tracking down the history of these over the years. I understand that there were many uses for these as well as the exec and employee requests now. How were the skytops built?

studegary
09-10-2008, 04:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

"The streamers were on the body before paint and trimming out. They were used to identify "unusual" items for the line workers.
A Skytop roof panel starts out as a different part from a normal roof panel. It is not a normal panel with a hole cut into it on the line."
Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

Gary, I appreciate the work that you've done tracking down the history of these over the years. I understand that there were many uses for these as well as the exec and employee requests now. How were the skytops built?



In my understanding, cars destined for Skytops had body tubs assembled with a top panel with the hole already in it. When the car was trimmed out, an entire sun roof assembly (black or white) was installed. I believe that Studebaker purchased the sun roof assemblies as a unit from Glebe (?).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

bams50
09-10-2008, 04:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary


quote:Originally posted by barnlark

"The streamers were on the body before paint and trimming out. They were used to identify "unusual" items for the line workers.
A Skytop roof panel starts out as a different part from a normal roof panel. It is not a normal panel with a hole cut into it on the line."
Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

Gary, I appreciate the work that you've done tracking down the history of these over the years. I understand that there were many uses for these as well as the exec and employee requests now. How were the skytops built?



In my understanding, cars destined for Skytops had body tubs assembled with a top panel with the hole already in it. When the car was trimmed out, an entire sun roof assembly
(black or white) was installed. I believe that Studebaker purchased the sun roof assemblies as a unit from Glebe (?).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY



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Parish, central NY 13131

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barnlark
09-10-2008, 04:32 PM
Thanks, Gary. The history and rarity of those are starting to really interest me. So, were the roofs tooled up and stamped as one unit and attached/welded to a cowl and lower body with one of those streamers on it to help the line know what roof to attach? Or did you mean one large unit stamping instead of two pieces and the skytop streamer was for the skytop trim to be recognized further down the line?

studegary
09-10-2008, 04:59 PM
Bob A. - Thanks. I shouldn't have trusted my memory on the company name. It has been years since I used the name, that is why I put the "(?)" after the name. I guess that I should have researched the name before responding, but I tend not to do that. This whole forum becomes a sort of memory test for me. This reminds of last evening. I had dinner with a lady that I first met about six months ago (the only time that I ever spoke to her). At the dinner table, I told her what model of car she drove, the approximate mileage, where she worked and the condo complex she lived in. She responded by saying, okay what unit do I live in? When I immediately replied with the correct four digit number, her long time friend said that he didn't even know that.

Barnlark - I mean that the stamping of the roof panel itself (almost flat piece) is different for Skytop cars (sedans and hardtops). This panel was used in making up the greenhouse and complete body section.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

stude dude
08-21-2015, 02:31 AM
Found another streamer today that I hadn't seen before, 'GOV', obviously an abbreviation for a government vehicle. Any others out there?

Chris.

studegary
08-21-2015, 01:59 PM
Found another streamer today that I hadn't seen before, 'GOV', obviously an abbreviation for a government vehicle. Any others out there?

Chris.

Doesn't seem obvious to me ("government"). I thought that it meant that the vehicle was built with a governor (to control maximum rpm/speed).

Roscomacaw
08-21-2015, 02:36 PM
Gary, your reasoning doesn't hold water. There's NOTHING about a governor-fitted vehicle that could make a difference in the body tub. Consequently, I can't imagine a streamer tag to so state.
No one has ever fielded a viable explanation for the "SPEC QTR" streamer that came off a '64 sedan either - not even the PO lent a clue when RQ dug it up from the PO files.

Let's face one fact, we've seen a number of Speedsters that never had a "speedster" streamer on them - and there have been other such anomalies for various features that demonstrate inconsistencies with these tags. I've got several of these secondary tags, and while most of them seem interpretable, there are exceptions - like the SPEC QTR tag. Another one is the streamer I wrested from a '61 Lark 4-dr (Regal, I think) that simply has a single letter on it - "G", I think. I haven't looked at it in a long time. When I took that tag, I looked ALL around that seemingly complete vehicle and saw nothing out of the ordinary about it to warrant a special notation. But it must've meant SOME thing to SOME body, and I'd bet anything the book that could break all those codes was/is lost to eternity.

studegary
08-21-2015, 03:16 PM
Gary, your reasoning doesn't hold water. There's NOTHING about a governor-fitted vehicle that could make a difference in the body tub. Consequently, I can't imagine a streamer tag to so state.
No one has ever fielded a viable explanation for the "SPEC QTR" streamer that came off a '64 sedan either - not even the PO lent a clue when RQ dug it up from the PO files.

Let's face one fact, we've seen a number of Speedsters that never had a "speedster" streamer on them - and there have been other such anomalies for various features that demonstrate inconsistencies with these tags. I've got several of these secondary tags, and while most of them seem interpretable, there are exceptions - like the SPEC QTR tag. Another one is the streamer I wrested from a '61 Lark 4-dr (Regal, I think) that simply has a single letter on it - "G", I think. I haven't looked at it in a long time. When I took that tag, I looked ALL around that seemingly complete vehicle and saw nothing out of the ordinary about it to warrant a special notation. But it must've meant SOME thing to SOME body, and I'd bet anything the book that could break all those codes was/is lost to eternity.

Those streamers do not only indicate body differences. The first to come to mind is a streamer for Air Conditioning (maybe extra holes in the cowl) or the Y4 ONLY tag on a Y4 body tub.. How would the tub of a government vehicle differ?

In the 1970s, in South Bend, I saw many special streamers on 1960s Studebakers. They were often for special treatment of an employee's car. It was a sort of testing ground. To me, SPC QTR means some sort of special quarter panel treatment (probably to resist rust). I have also seen streamers for Special Rockers (rocker panels).

I thought that the Speedster tags were for the early Speedsters and were eventually dropped (at least in South Bend). Remember that the early (at least first 14) Speedsters were K5 bodies like any other President State hardtop. Then they became K7 bodies, unique to President Speedsters (for 1955).

Of course many of these streamers have been "relocated"/placed since the time of assembly, such as the couple of incorrectly placed Speedster tags in this thread/topic.

Dick Steinkamp
08-21-2015, 03:27 PM
Those streamers do not only indicate body differences. The first to come to mind is a streamer for Air Conditioning

...also the "4 speed" streamers.

I personally think it is a good thing to have some mysteries about these cars. :)

8E45E
08-21-2015, 04:46 PM
Those streamers do not only indicate body differences. The first to come to mind is a streamer for Air Conditioning (maybe extra holes in the cowl) or the Y4 ONLY tag on a Y4 body tub.. How would the tub of a government vehicle differ?

In the case of a wagon, the GSA often ordered them without a rear seat. That would mean the exclusion of spot welding the rear seat riser, pivot, and latch brackets to the body.

I did not check to see if there was a tag on this particular '62 ex-GSA wagon: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?54599-Government-Vehicle-Sales

Craig

SN-60
08-21-2015, 05:26 PM
[QUOTE=studegary;

I thought that the Speedster tags were for the early Speedsters and were eventually dropped (at least in South Bend). Remember that the early (at least first 14) Speedsters were K5 bodies like any other President State hardtop. Then they became K7 bodies, unique to President Speedsters (for 1955).


No Gary, streamers were not used only on early Speedsters. My Speedster, (The Doctor's Car), was assembled during the last week of South Bend production, and it came with a cowl tag streamer. :)

Flashback
08-21-2015, 05:42 PM
The streamer on my 53 had XL on it. What does that mean?

SN-60
08-21-2015, 07:17 PM
The streamer on my 53 had XL on it. What does that mean?

'XL' on a Studebaker cowl streamer has me stumped. Do you recall anything out of the ordinary, either body-wise or mechanical, on your '53?