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ST2DE5
05-21-2008, 09:01 AM
When on a 225 mile trip with the club sunday. On the way back the old 51 got where it wouldn't run act like it was starving for gas. Then it died. Pulled the breather off no gas going into the carb. Pulled the filter off and I couldn't even blow thru it. Just so happen I found a nail and drove thru the filter to get me off the road. Went to a flaps to get a new one all they had was stainless steel filters. They said the E-10 was eating the insides out of the filters. In Oklahoma they don't have to post a sign that it is E-10. If it eats up the filter what does it do to the fuel lines. I learned a lesson. CARE A EXTRA FUEL FILTER And the new filters are about 10 times higher in price.

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JDP
05-21-2008, 09:14 AM
What kind of fuel filter are you talking about on your 51 ? I never heard of E-10 hurting a paper or stone filter.

JDP/Maryland

ST2DE5
05-21-2008, 09:32 AM
I'm using a metal one at the tank. With a electric fuel pump. Vapor lock days are over with.

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Dick Steinkamp
05-21-2008, 09:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by ST2DE5
They said the E-10 was eating the insides out of the filters.




A neat thing about the internet is that you can quickly do research on virtually anything. This one took maybe 15 seconds to find...

"E10 also very
effectively removes accumulated deposits throughout the fuel system
often leading to a shortened fuel filter life. When introduced into a dirty
system, the cleansing properties of the ethanol removes the varnishing
and deposits from the fuel tank, lines, injectors and other points in the
system. The fuel filter traps and holds this contamination and quickly
reaches its dirt holding capacity. Once the system is clean, accelerated
fuel filter plugging would no longer be experienced and normal service
intervals should return."

and...

"Since the 1980ís, all vehicles worldwide have been manufactured with
fuel systems that are designed to use E10."

http://www.filtercouncil.org/uploads/docs/TSB/English/07-3.pdf

All FUEL FILTERS made since the 80's are E10 compatible.

Intuitively, it you can't even blow through the filter, could it be "eating the insides"?


The same thing happens when using biodiesel in vehicles that have been running D2 for a long time. It cleans out the fuel system and fills up the filter.



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bondobilly
05-21-2008, 01:53 PM
I just got a spare fuel pump. Interestingly there was a note in the box. Please place a fuel filter before the fuel pump, we cannot warranty any fuel pumps that have fuel filters that are placed between the fuel pump and Carb.

I do know that E-10 does eat into the life of fuel pumps.

ST2DE5
05-21-2008, 01:54 PM
How stupid of me not to pull off the side of the road and pull up fuel filters on the internet. Really sorry I said anything about it. I'll know better next time.

quote:
A neat thing about the internet is that you can quickly do research on virtually anything. This one took maybe 15 seconds to find...




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Dick Steinkamp
05-21-2008, 02:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by ST2DE5

How stupid of me not to pull off the side of the road and pull up fuel filters on the internet. Really sorry I said anything about it. I'll know better next time.
[quote]



Well, that wasn't my point, and I apologize if it came across that way.

My point was that the FLAPS guy is most likely incorrect. It didn't sound right to me that E10 would be eating up the inside of fuel filters and that you can no longer buy the inexpensive ones, so I googled it and found the article I posted. I'm trying hard to see how that could be a personal attack, but again I apologize if it came across that way.

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N8N
05-21-2008, 02:40 PM
I have heard tell of modern gas, whether the ethanol, MTBE, or whatever other nastiness they're putting in there eating up the fuel lines. I definitely would consider replacing any rubber between the tank and the carb unless you know for a fact that it's been replaced some time within the last few years. Cheap insurance against a potentially ugly situation. Wasn't it Kent that had an issue with a Lark flambe due to him using old stock fuel hose that he'd unknowingly bought from a FLAPS that had a roll that was past its best-before date? Check the date stamps on any new hose you buy, anyway...

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curt
05-22-2008, 09:59 AM
Studedude, That is in OK. the change to manditory labeling will occur, or is it a National label rule for the E-10 to be labeled at the pump?

curt
05-22-2008, 10:14 AM
To address the comemnt about looking on the internet/search to find an answer (Dick,I read you as sincere and not being any thing but helpfull): It is difficult to have that mentioned when one asks a question. I was told to use search in a most rude way, "Take this post off the Form." The question I did ask had not been compltely answered on searh. I spoke to one fellow at a Studebaker meet last week who said ."I don't go to the Studebaker Form any more, some people think I must not ask about a previous subject. I have appreciated all the help in the past, thanks.

DEEPNHOCK
05-22-2008, 10:42 AM
Welcome to the new world of corrosive fuels.
Yes, the alcohol is corroding fuel filters from the inside out, and yes, filter manufacturers are scrambling to make/buy/import stainless, or non-metallic fuel filters.
In particular are the 'dual fuel' engines.. Seems that the higher the concentration of alcohol, the more water is attracted, and the accumulation in the filter tends to make is a good place to corrode.
The plating, or prepping of the steel in the filters makes a big difference, and you can bet a donut that some of the cheapie imported stuff does not measure up to current standards (if any)..
But.....
I wouldn't go running off scared to get a fuel filter all in a panic.
Just liesurely buy two filters when you do your next maintenance.
Waiting until you have a failure with that particular item will always put a crimp in your trip...unless you have prepared.
I have a decent 'take-off' fuel filter in a sandwich bag as a spare.
When the next maintenance date comes, I'll rotate that one to the trash..
A good thread to point out maintenance is always better than repair.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by ST2DE5

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Went to a flaps to get a new one all they had was stainless steel filters. They said the E-10 was eating the insides out of the filters. <snip>


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Dick Steinkamp
05-22-2008, 02:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by curt

To address the comemnt about looking on the internet/search to find an answer (Dick,I read you as sincere and not being any thing but helpfull): It is difficult to have that mentioned when one asks a question. I was told to use search in a most rude way, "Take this post off the Form." The question I did ask had not been compltely answered on searh. I spoke to one fellow at a Studebaker meet last week who said ."I don't go to the Studebaker Form any more, some people think I must not ask about a previous subject. I have appreciated all the help in the past, thanks.


curt,
You really have two points there.

One is about using the internet. The other about using the search function on the forum.

I don't have an answer about what to do about questions that are asked over and over. I've suggested some sort of reference area...maybe just of the top three to start with (what oil should I use, what wheels and tires will fit my Stude, and how do I put a Chevy in my Stude). Maybe expand it if it is successful. The problem is that once someone has answered the same question 3-4 times they just stop answering it or refer the questioner to the search function. Most likely, in either case, the questioner will be unhappy and will maybe go away...either because they think they were ignored, or because they were told to go search. If you have a solution to this one, throw it out there. As we get more and more volume here, my feeling is that more and more questions will go unanswered since only the "new stuff" will look interesting to the regulars and that question about which spark plugs to use will get skipped.

On the internet thing, I feel it is a wonderful resource...right at our fingertips...that enables us to find or check information before we publish it. We all get frustrated when we are told that "Studebaker used Ford 289 engines", yet many of us commit the same sin by simply passing on information we hear (BTW, this is not directed at ST2DE5...I'm in enough trouble there [B)]). JDP generally does a great job of providing a link or source to info he posts. Others do also. I try to do the same. I think if someone passes on something they hear and someone else knows or finds out something different that it is OK to post that...in fact desired...and hopefully a source for the different info will be posted to so that it just isn't a "she said, he said" thing. In this case, I don't think I did that politely enough and again I apologize for that.

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curt
05-22-2008, 06:10 PM
Dick, A great point to have a reference 'click' to help people out. Say an updated reference on non harmfull oils, sparkplugs, modern and original tire sizes for each vehicle, best antifreze,types, best traney oils ,etc. The search I have at times found does not answer questions at the 100 % level, but seems to upset a few regulars whos common sense/knowledge covers the void in my mind. Then, there is computer savy and what search means. As usual,I too do not want to cause upset and I'm most grateful for the form.

curt
05-23-2008, 05:04 PM
Studedude, Wall Mart has 10% alcohol posted, I haven't seen other brands with the 10% notice,yet. I suspect the reduction in fuel mileage will make the blend a non fuel saver. I see a drop on the truck's fuel mileage from 21 to 20, town driving.

Lenny R2
05-23-2008, 08:32 PM
Last year i had my gas tank on my Avanti boiled out,at that time i
used sae9 fuel injection hose.It is good for E10 & any other additive
they put in the gas.Also installed it on my 62 Champ pickup

Lenny
Atlanta Ga.

Steve T
05-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Hmmm!

I'd bet a cow the problem I encountered today with my 62 will turn out to be something in this vein...thanks for the windfall of info!

Steve T