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OzarkPetunia
05-12-2008, 10:25 AM
Well... if you call a top speed of 50 "flying".

After a PAINFUL afternoon Saturday of having to walk away from the Super Coop after getting the LAST PART BACK ON (because we had a prior commitment to a barbeque), we got the brakes bled on Sunday (can somebody explain the screw being on TOP of the hill holder????) and gas in the tank and after sitting for a couple of weeks since starting the engine that first time, I pumped the pedal twice and she started right up!

After a warm up and lots of checking for leaks we took the first test drive (really more about learning the column shift pattern) and drove her to the car wash. Then we cruised around and enjoyed the evening light.

After a visit with family last night, I turned the key and absolutely nothing happened. I tried the lights and they still worked, so we opened the hood and looked for anything obvious. Didn't see anything, so I tried the key again and she fired right up.

So we've got some electrical troubleshooting to do.

It was scary to buy a car that I knew absolutely nothing about and had never even ridden in but the folks here and in my local club chapters have been absolutely fabulous and supportive and I LOVE THIS CAR!

Sorry to leave you hanging, but I won't be able to post pictures until tomorrow.

~Rose

(Favorite new quote... "She's not leaking oil, she's marking her territory.")

Not 100% sure I can do this, but here goes...

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/OzarkPetunia/Back%20in%20Black/Before.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/OzarkPetunia/Back%20in%20Black/FirstBath.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/OzarkPetunia/Back%20in%20Black/After.jpg

And here are links to the videos:

http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/OzarkPetunia/Back%20in%20Black/?action=view&current=TheStart.flv
http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/OzarkPetunia/Back%20in%20Black/?action=view&current=FirstDrive.flv



Fayetteville, AR

Guido
05-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Rose,

Congratulations! As to your starting problem, I would suspect the battery cables (or the terminals on them) are bad. The lights draw less amperage than the starter, so they often work when the starter doesn't.

Replace both the positive and negative battery cables with new ones. After all the years it is possible the cables are broken internally or that aftermarket clamps have been added.

Gary

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OzarkPetunia
05-12-2008, 11:08 AM
Thanks for reminding me to ask... What are the "recommended" connection locations for the battery ground cable on the '56 6 cylinder engine? I knew I needed to replace the cables but I wanted to find out where the neg cable should go so I can get the right length.

Everyone I've asked has had a different suggestion so it sounds like there's not a "right" answer.

THANKS!

Fayetteville, AR

Guido
05-12-2008, 11:11 AM
I am at work and going from memory, but I think it goes on the front left headbolt on the engine. If I am wrong, someone will correct me. ;)

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Roscomacaw
05-12-2008, 12:18 PM
Hey! Congratulations! I'd see if it's gonna make a habit of not starting before I went looking for gremlins. Could be something as innocent as dirty contacts in the ignition switch. Dirty from years of disuse. After some driving, it may cure itself. If not, the start circuit is pretty simple to diagnose.;)

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

OzarkPetunia
05-12-2008, 12:42 PM
I left a teeny, weeny tidbit out of the story...

I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I'd had the starter rebuilt because it was seized up. I went ahead and replaced the starter solenoid, too.

I live really close to work, so I decided to drive her in but leave an hour early just in case I had any issues...

She started right up (running kinda rough 'cause it was 42 degrees) and after a minute or so I heard a little buzzing noise that started to get louder. I had the hood open ('cause that's just what you've gotta do first thing in the morning with a new car) and it sounded like it was coming from the starter. So I shut off the key and it kept buzzing. Grabbed a pair of pliers (got a bucket of tools in the back seat 'cause that's ALSO what you've gotta do) and disconnected the battery ground. When I touched it back quickly, it turned over.

So we've gotta get that sorted out tonight ~ hopefully just a stuck solenoid.

BUT I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.:)

~Rose

Fayetteville, AR

Roscomacaw
05-12-2008, 02:13 PM
Pull both of the small wires off of the solenoid - then touch the battery cable to the battery again. If it STILL wants to crank, yes, bad (stuck) solenoid. And new parts DO sometimes fail right away![xx(]
If it DOESN'T crank, put the two small wires back on the solenoid and touch the cable to the battery again. If it now DOES crank, then it's likely you've got a problem in the wiring or the key switch.[B)]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

bruin
05-12-2008, 03:30 PM
Congrats Rose on your first drive. After reading your post I gotta get my butt in gear and put mine back together.

OzarkPetunia
05-13-2008, 08:42 AM
Updates:

It was a stuck starter solenoid so I got to drive the Super Coop to work today!!!

We were up until midnight replacing the fried toggle switch that had been installed as a headlight switch (my husband HAD to drive it around town while I was in a class last night and I'm glad he did so the switch had the opportunity to fail at a non-critical time). The wires that go to the stock switch don't match the colors in the wiring diagram but they come out of what looks like the original harness.

I already have a new harness for the firewall forward (hope I said that right), but it looks like we're going to have to redo all the dash wiring.

The wires on the non-working clock also don't match the wiring diagram. The wire for the light is a cloth-wrapped wire that's disconnected and then there's a yellow wire spliced to a red wire coming from the "circuit breaker" box???

I'm afraid to try the overdrive because it was bypassed. And when I get up to about 45 mph it sure sounds like it needs a 4th gear. Is that "normal"?

Thanks!
~Rose



Fayetteville, AR

Allan Songer
05-13-2008, 09:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by OzarkPetunia

. And when I get up to about 45 mph it sure sounds like it needs a 4th gear. Is that "normal"?

Thanks!
~Rose

Fayetteville, AR


Yep. In order to get out of their own way, these big heavy 6 cylinder coupes and Hawks needed stout stump-pulling gears in the rear end, so you're pretty much winding that little flathead out at 45 mph. You can either put in new gears in the rear end and have a car that does 0-60 in about 20 seconds and can cruise at 60, or get that OD working and have a car that practical for 21st century driving (barely!).

CONGRATS on getting the Hawk back on the road!!!

52-fan
05-13-2008, 11:04 AM
Rose,
You're making me jealous! Seriously, I'm glad to hear that you're able to drive that Hawk. I drove the Daytona around the house to the lower garage yesterday and the brakes worked like they should. I also got my wheels painted so I can get my new tires this week.
On the down side, I am losing brake fluid somewhere(probably a loose fitting)and the muffler fell off the right side(bailing wire the PO used gave out), but it drove and stopped.

1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona. Searcy,Arkansas

Roscomacaw
05-13-2008, 11:17 AM
Rose,
If you "have a new harness for the firewall - forward", it should also take care of the instruments and controls on the dash. This "main (or chassis) harness" covers everything on the dash and forward - EXCEPT FOR the little, 3-wire generator harness.
On that fried toggle switch - could have been that it's inner contacts weren't rated high enough to handle the load of the headlites.[:I]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

OzarkPetunia
05-13-2008, 11:55 AM
Thanks for the info on the wiring harness ~ all I'd heard up to now was that I'd have to splice into the dash wiring. I'm not looking forward to it...

I haven't had a chance to upload the pics so you haven't seen the spiffy new BFG white walls! I need some suggestions about the hubcaps. Some PO put on the speedster spokes with some random brand center cap. My hubby likes the spokes but I think they look silly. I really like the clean look of the huge ww and just a center cap. I don't think my production order said anything about hubcaps. What would be appropriate for the '56 Flight Hawk?

:D

Fayetteville, AR

Allan Songer
05-13-2008, 12:40 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/va2/boese/images/Hawk3.jpg

I think I have a set of these in the back of the garage. If I do and you like them enought to want them, they're yours for whatever you think is fair . . .

gaboy
05-13-2008, 02:31 PM
Also don't forget the definition of "new" parts - Never Ever Worked!!

Georgiaboy
L. Moore

62 Vette powered
Daytona Hardtop
"black lightning"
(not famous Ga. white lightning)

showbizkid
05-14-2008, 01:10 AM
Hey Rose, congrats! And from one Jay Ward fan to another, don't let the mechanicals get you down... "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it"! :D


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'63 F2/Lark Standard
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www.studebakersandiego.com

sals54
05-14-2008, 01:19 AM
Good Work Rose.
Keep up the great work and don't stop learning. The more you drive it the easier it gets. Car like these like to be driven often and usually will stay running as long as you use them. Just keep up with the routine maintenance.

sals54
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lstude
05-14-2008, 08:48 AM
Look real nice. Is that a Mustang in the garage?

Leonard Shepherd
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BobGlasscock
05-14-2008, 08:54 AM
Great! Another driver hits the road!

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

OzarkPetunia
05-14-2008, 09:17 AM
Yep ~ the hubby has a '68 Mustang that needs to be completely restored because after the engine blew when we were in college it sat at his parent's house for more than 10 years and rats tore up the interior and the wiring. He has a 351 Windsor? (you'll correct me if I got that wrong) to put in it once we get to that point. We finally trailered it from Southern CA to NW Arkansas about a year and a half ago.

He also has a '69 F-150 that runs but needs a LOT of TLC and currently gets 5 mpg or so.

I'm a lucky girl that he got almost as excited as I did about how "fixable" the Super Coop was so I could get her to the top of the to-do list!

~Rose

Fayetteville, AR

Roscomacaw
05-14-2008, 03:13 PM
Yeah - the center caps DO look nice with wide whites. SASCO still has the little caps (NOS) part# 532324 in stock for $51 each. These are the little caps for 53-54-55 cars, but I like them on later studes too. And they're prettier than what WAS issued for '56.
Might be nice to paint the wheels a complimentary, contrasting color too.[8D]

Edit: And BTW, those wires that were/are on it? Selling them will more than pay for the NOS caps I mentioned!;)

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Allan Songer
05-14-2008, 04:39 PM
RED wheels, right? I have pretty much decided on RED wheels for my '56 hotrod with Hurst cheater slicks in the back!!

The '53-'55 dog dish caps are really good lookin' compared with just about ANY other dog dish cap. The '56 ones are UGLY. You have to use those old Stude wheel centers, but if you're running stock size tires it's no big deal.

For $51 each how can you lose? For BRAND NEW 55 year old caps? A STEAL!

55 prez
05-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Hi Rose;
You have many knowledgable members in Ozark Trails chapter that would be willing to help.
I met you at the Coleman Theater in Miami, OK and knew you were excited
about your recent purchase. Then I met you and your husband in Tulsa at the their zone meet and saw the enthusiasm was still there. Good Luck on the project and hope to see you at the meeting on Beaver Lake next Sunday.
Jim C.

53k
05-14-2008, 05:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by Allan Songer
...For $51 each how can you lose? For BRAND NEW 55 year old caps? A STEAL!

I used to feel lucky to get $.50 each for them (NOS)- nobody wanted "small hubcaps". Why do you think they called them "dog dishes"? :D

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'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

Roscomacaw
05-14-2008, 05:11 PM
They also do well as bird baths too, Paul. Hey - I'll bet you wish you had a boatload of those caps right now. Those along with a big box of 61 Lark taillight lenses too![:0][:p]

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

OzarkPetunia
05-15-2008, 09:02 AM
I have a fresh coat of black paint on the wheels... they were red. Sorry!

Since it was originally a two-tone, I'm thinking of metallic gray with a white top. (Interior is already restored gray and white.)

Another update... finally got the glovebox open yesterday. Had an insurance card from 1987-88. I Googled and found contact info and made the call...

I was leaving a message on an answering machine about my fabulous 1956 Studebaker and the phone was picked right up! The history sounds VERY cool. The man who sold the car to the guy that I bought it from said:

His cousin bought it from the original owner, and he was told that it was a Professor at the University of Arkansas here in Fayetteville. His dad then bought it from his cousin as a gift for his sister (because Dad bought HIM a 51 chebby) and he restored it for her. He couldn't really remember the timeline. But his sister wasn't really interested in it so it sat more than it was driven. Then his sister moved out of state and it REALLY sat. The brakes went south and it wasn't licensed or insured so it only got driven around the property when his sister came to visit. Then they finally sold it to the guy I bought it from and he had it sitting in his carport for about a year.

And the nice man I just talked to actually saw me drive by him yesterday! He lives less than 2 miles from me so I'm sure he'll see it a lot.

I think it's really cool that it may have always lived in Fayetteville.

And although it's sad that the sister wasn't all that excited, it sounds like the dad really appreciated the car. The man told me that his dad would drive the Super Coop in parades and brag about how all the other cars would drop out one by one because they'd overheat in the stop-and-go traffic but the Studebaker never even got hot.

We finally looked at the OD last night 'cause it hasn't worked at all but we didn't have much time to work on it. Confirmed that the solenoid relay works. Now it freewheels at all speeds but OD still doesn't kick in. We're slowly waking her up.:D

~Rose

Fayetteville, AR

Dick Steinkamp
05-15-2008, 09:53 AM
The complete history on the car is a real bonus! Good going and good luck with the Super Coop. A winner for sure [8D].

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