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Studebaker Wheel
05-09-2008, 01:34 AM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/37dictatornazicopy.jpg

I always thought it would only be appropriate that Hitler should own a fleet of Dictators! Well, apparently he did. This photo is from the Sept 8, 1937 issue of LIFE magazine. No telling how many Studebakers were in his Asian fleet! The caption reads as follows: A German car, flying the Nazi swastikas, picked up this wounded Chinese soldier on the Nanyuan Road south of Peiping and brought him back to the Peiping Legation Quarter for hospitalization. There are three more wounded in the trunk box in the rear of the car. It doesn't look as though the soldier on the front fender is in any great pain but if there are really three guys in the trunk you can bet they are!

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

lstude
05-09-2008, 06:12 AM
Thanks for posting. I seems that someone at Life would have recognized the car. I wonder if Studebaker's management noticed it.

Leonard Shepherd
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Avantidon
05-09-2008, 06:22 AM
Richard as usual a great picture and thoughts. I always marvel at your resources but know they run deep so there have got to be more interesting pictures in it. I'm sure the photographer of this one did not look at the car to determine who built it.

JRoberts
05-09-2008, 07:59 AM
What a great picture! I'm surprised that a Nazi staff car would bother to pickup wounded Chinese soldiers to simply take them to the hospital, knowing how badly the Japanese treated the Chinese. It looks like the soldier on the fender actually has his ankles bound.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

BobGlasscock
05-09-2008, 08:21 AM
Also a binding on the hood ornament to his hands or neck.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

Avantidon
05-09-2008, 09:19 AM
Bob, great observation as his feet are bound too. i guess they did that to keep him from falling off of the car.

JBOYLE
05-09-2008, 10:24 AM
I'd like to see a photo of Benito Mussolini's
32 Ford.

The original Il Duce's coupe.

Sorry, I 've been waiting to use that joke for years.:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Roscomacaw
05-09-2008, 02:22 PM
So does this mean that Eisenhower and Patton used Commanders as staff cars?????[:o)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

JBOYLE
05-09-2008, 03:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

So does this mean that Eisenhower and Patton used Commanders as staff cars?????[:o)]


Maybe, but Eisenhower later traded-up to a President.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JRoberts
05-09-2008, 04:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by Avantidon

Bob, great observation as his feet are bound too. i guess they did that to keep him from falling off of the car.


Not if he was a Chinese soldier. He was bound, I suspect, because the Japanese would not have wanted him to get away. Of course the real surprise is that they had not already killed him. The Chinese did not fare very well at the hands of the Japanese, nor their allies I would suspect.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

Michidan
05-09-2008, 04:10 PM
War is hell!
Imagine the ride on that fender for a minute, on 1937 Chinese roads. Comfy - and how much heat comes out of those stylish hood vents?
Um, I'll take the trunk, thanks.

Dan
52 hardtop
www.studebakerhardtop.com

lstude
05-09-2008, 04:42 PM
At least the Nazi's opted for white walls! :D

Leonard Shepherd
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JRoberts
05-09-2008, 04:59 PM
The more I think about this picture the more I wonder where they got the Studebaker(s) from. I guess they could have just liberated them from some western busiessmen, or a western embassy. Or maybe they just found them abandoned when people tried to escape the invasion. Also reminds me of the '37 Stude in this thread from last July: http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11406&SearchTerms=nazi,studebaker

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

62champ
05-09-2008, 07:07 PM
I think Hitler and the Nazis were pretty partial to white...


quote:Originally posted by lstude

At least the Nazi's opted for white walls! :D

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/52Commander41108sm3.jpg


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avantilover
05-09-2008, 08:29 PM
Since the war didn't start until 9/3/39 the car is likely a German Embassy vehicle.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Secretary Studebaker Car Club of SA (as of 3/19/08)
Lockleys South Australia

JRoberts
05-09-2008, 09:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by avantilover

Since the war didn't start until 9/3/39 the car is likely a German Embassy vehicle.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Secretary Studebaker Car Club of SA (as of 3/19/08)
Lockleys South Australia


But the "war" started earlier in other places, including China, Ethiopia, etc.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

bondobilly
05-09-2008, 09:49 PM
The guy on the fender is AN OPTION "rear view" mirror.

rockne10
05-09-2008, 10:27 PM
Studebakers were being sold in Germany, and I thought the U.S., while it was sending armament to the Brits, didn't technically enter the war until Pearl Harbor? When would Studebaker have stopped shipping civilian knocked down models to der Reich?

JRoberts
05-09-2008, 11:03 PM
Wasn't there an trade embargo against Germany before we actually went to war? It may not have prevented the '37 models from being exported, as it may have started in 1938 or 39.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

Merki
10-14-2013, 12:41 AM
Hi Joe,

I think that the Studebakers were manufactured in each country overseas in the early days. I recently read that China produced the first Hardtop Roadster in 1924. A year before the Hardtop Duplex Roadster was officially made by Studebaker in the USA. My grandfather had a Studebaker Dealership in Hamburg, Germany in 1933. He eventually lost it as he was opposed to the Nazi's and the Gestapo made sure he lost all his clients. Embargoes only prevent exportation. If production is already offshore the embargo does little to stop sales


Wasn't there an trade embargo against Germany before we actually went to war? It may not have prevented the '37 models from being exported, as it may have started in 1938 or 39.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

gordr
10-14-2013, 11:22 AM
I think it is pretty simple. Studebakers were being shipped to / assembled in China, pre- WWII. Probably the German embassy in Peking chose the option of buying the best locally-available cars rather than incur the expense of shipping several Mercedes or Horch autos all the way from Germany. If the cars were already being sold there, then parts and service would be available, too. And the USA was not yet an enemy of the Reich.

Gunslinger
10-14-2013, 11:50 AM
I was under the impression that Dictators exported were called "Director" due to the original name being more politically charged overseas than in the US at the time.

Studebaker Wheel
10-14-2013, 12:40 PM
The original photo posted on 5-9-08.

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jclary
10-14-2013, 01:00 PM
Is it just me?...wondering how these "ZOMBIE THREADS" keep staggering back to life after a long dormant period in the lost thread graveyard?:eek:

After all...it is the month of Halloween:confused::)

Not that the topic isn't interesting...but the original date of the thread got my attention.:);):)

52-fan
10-14-2013, 02:30 PM
I'm with you. When I saw Lenard Shepherd's post I got excited until I saw the date. New folks get on the forum and while searching hit an interesting thread. Without looking at the date, they add comments. I've almost done it before...I guess you could say I just did.

t walgamuth
10-14-2013, 04:51 PM
I like the hubcaps!

rockne10
10-14-2013, 08:29 PM
Is it just me?...wondering how these "ZOMBIE THREADS" keep staggering back to life after a long dormant period in the lost thread graveyard?:eek: John, Peter Peterson (Merki) is a new forum member who inquired about prewar German Studebakers. A suggestion was made that a search for old threads might present some examples. Obviously, it worked.
We are constantly adding to the forum archives with every post we make. That's why it is important we use effective titles in our threads.

jclary
10-14-2013, 09:08 PM
John, Peter Peterson (Merki) is a new forum member who inquired about prewar German Studebakers. A suggestion was made that a search for old threads might present some examples. Obviously, it worked.
We are constantly adding to the forum archives with every post we make. That's why it is important we use effective titles in our threads.

Thanks for the explanation. My comments were not intended as a complaint...merely an observation.:) Seems like we have had several old topics resurrected lately. With the growth of our forum membership, I suppose it is inevitable.;) When you combine the new folks, pulling up old topics, with old geezers (like me), who forget and keep repeating what we have already posted...could lead to some pretty amusing forum traffic patterns.:confused::o:)