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ma1951
10-19-2006, 09:13 AM
On my 47 and 49 champions, the front of car sags especially the drivers side. When out of car, you can walk up to the front bumper, lift up and car comes right up and stays till getting back in car or pushing down on bumper. I suspect shock problems? If so what fluid do you now fill with and also if needed are rebuild parts available?[?]

DEEPNHOCK
10-19-2006, 09:40 AM
Couple of items.
Shock absorbers (either kind....lever or tube) do NOT cause sag.
Shock absorbers prevent spring oscillation.
If your car sags, it has a spring problem.
If it stays up high (after lifting it manually), you might have a suspension bushing problem, or possibly a sticky shock valve problem)
A good cleaning and flushing with clean oil might help.
One other is the shock oil.
You can buy vintage shock oil for premium prices, or you can just drain the shock cavity and cycle it several times to pump the old oil out of it...
(DON'T look into the fill hole while cycling a lever action shock...ask me why I know;))
Re-fill with straight 50w motor oil.
(A whole lot easier than trying to find shock oil...)
Hope the info helps.
Jeff[8D]




quote:Originally posted by ma1951

On my 47 and 49 champions, the front of car sags especially the drivers side. When out of car, you can walk up to the front bumper, lift up and car comes right up and stays till getting back in car or pushing down on bumper. I suspect shock problems? If so what fluid do you now fill with and also if needed are rebuild parts available?[?]


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DEEPNHOCK
10-19-2006, 09:40 AM
Couple of items.
Shock absorbers (either kind....lever or tube) do NOT cause sag.
Shock absorbers prevent spring oscillation.
If your car sags, it has a spring problem.
If it stays up high (after lifting it manually), you might have a suspension bushing problem, or possibly a sticky shock valve problem)
A good cleaning and flushing with clean oil might help.
One other is the shock oil.
You can buy vintage shock oil for premium prices, or you can just drain the shock cavity and cycle it several times to pump the old oil out of it...
(DON'T look into the fill hole while cycling a lever action shock...ask me why I know;))
Re-fill with straight 50w motor oil.
(A whole lot easier than trying to find shock oil...)
Hope the info helps.
Jeff[8D]




quote:Originally posted by ma1951

On my 47 and 49 champions, the front of car sags especially the drivers side. When out of car, you can walk up to the front bumper, lift up and car comes right up and stays till getting back in car or pushing down on bumper. I suspect shock problems? If so what fluid do you now fill with and also if needed are rebuild parts available?[?]


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/Jeff%20Rice%20Studebaker%20Pictures/1937StudebakerCoupeExpressJeffRicee.jpg

DEEPNHOCK at Gmail.com
Brooklet, Georgia
'37 Coupe Express (never ending project)
'37 Coupe Express Trailer (project)
'61 Hawk (project)
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

CHAMP
10-19-2006, 12:12 PM
You might also want to check the adjustment on your shocks.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
10-19-2006, 12:12 PM
You might also want to check the adjustment on your shocks.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

kurtruk
10-20-2006, 07:04 PM
I don't know about rebuild parts being available, but a rebuilding service is available. $175-225 each [:0][:0]
by Apple Hydraulics 800-882-7753 www.applehydraulics.com

I've always wondered how much work it would be to fit tubular shocks to these cars. Any one done it[?] Four rebuilt lever-style could be $800-1000[:0][:0][:0]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

kurtruk
10-20-2006, 07:04 PM
I don't know about rebuild parts being available, but a rebuilding service is available. $175-225 each [:0][:0]
by Apple Hydraulics 800-882-7753 www.applehydraulics.com

I've always wondered how much work it would be to fit tubular shocks to these cars. Any one done it[?] Four rebuilt lever-style could be $800-1000[:0][:0][:0]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

mbstude
10-20-2006, 07:10 PM
quote:On my 47 and 49 champions, the front of car sags especially the drivers side. When out of car, you can walk up to the front bumper, lift up and car comes right up and stays till getting back in car or pushing down on bumper. I suspect shock problems? If so what fluid do you now fill with and also if needed are rebuild parts available?

Hey Mike! Good to see your name pop up! My '63 Lark has the same problem, but it doesn't have lever shocks, of course. I have new springs for it, shocks were put on some time ago.

I'm glad you've decided to take a break from that John Deere and hit the Studes for a while! I'll look for the '51 at the next club meeting. ;)

Here's ma1951's John Deere crawler and my truck. He was gracious enough to let me drive the crawler, and now I gotta have one someday! Talk about FUN!!!
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCSGAmeeting005.jpg


He was one of the first South GA Chapter members, and has been a close family friend for years and years. :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-20-2006, 07:10 PM
quote:On my 47 and 49 champions, the front of car sags especially the drivers side. When out of car, you can walk up to the front bumper, lift up and car comes right up and stays till getting back in car or pushing down on bumper. I suspect shock problems? If so what fluid do you now fill with and also if needed are rebuild parts available?

Hey Mike! Good to see your name pop up! My '63 Lark has the same problem, but it doesn't have lever shocks, of course. I have new springs for it, shocks were put on some time ago.

I'm glad you've decided to take a break from that John Deere and hit the Studes for a while! I'll look for the '51 at the next club meeting. ;)

Here's ma1951's John Deere crawler and my truck. He was gracious enough to let me drive the crawler, and now I gotta have one someday! Talk about FUN!!!
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCSGAmeeting005.jpg


He was one of the first South GA Chapter members, and has been a close family friend for years and years. :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

Guido
10-20-2006, 09:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by mbstude He was gracious enough to let me drive the crawler, and now I gotta have one someday! Talk about FUN!!!
Matt,

Let me know when you want to move into a crawler. I will put you into an Oliver (which has a South Bend connection). I have owned better than 20 of them, from HG's up through the OC-96's.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-20-2006, 09:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by mbstude He was gracious enough to let me drive the crawler, and now I gotta have one someday! Talk about FUN!!!
Matt,

Let me know when you want to move into a crawler. I will put you into an Oliver (which has a South Bend connection). I have owned better than 20 of them, from HG's up through the OC-96's.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

mbstude
10-21-2006, 08:43 AM
Sounds great Guido! Not right now though, too many Stude things going on. But, one day, I'm gonna have to buy me one. I don't know what I'd do with it, but they're just so cool just to ride on! (And mess up the grass!)

My dad has a '56 John Deere 420 (not a crawler) that his grandad bought new. When he was about to sell it a few years back, Dad bought it, redone it, and gave it back to him. He's 93 years old now and still uses it during farming season.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-21-2006, 08:43 AM
Sounds great Guido! Not right now though, too many Stude things going on. But, one day, I'm gonna have to buy me one. I don't know what I'd do with it, but they're just so cool just to ride on! (And mess up the grass!)

My dad has a '56 John Deere 420 (not a crawler) that his grandad bought new. When he was about to sell it a few years back, Dad bought it, redone it, and gave it back to him. He's 93 years old now and still uses it during farming season.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

ma1951
10-21-2006, 06:54 PM
Hey, there is not anything wrong with Oliver crawlers. Thats exactly what got me hooked on wanting a crawler years ago. My grandaddy had a Oc-4, a 1957 or 1958 model, that he rode me on when I was around 5 years old. Never forgot it. Always had to have a toy crawler ( Tonka )after that. This john deere became available and it also had been a family tractor. So I had to take time out of my Studebaker's fixing up to re-build this crawler. Still got some more work to do on crawler but I am ready to get back to my Studebakers.

P.S. Matthew I missed you at the Flordia State meet in Jacksonville.

ma1951
10-21-2006, 06:54 PM
Hey, there is not anything wrong with Oliver crawlers. Thats exactly what got me hooked on wanting a crawler years ago. My grandaddy had a Oc-4, a 1957 or 1958 model, that he rode me on when I was around 5 years old. Never forgot it. Always had to have a toy crawler ( Tonka )after that. This john deere became available and it also had been a family tractor. So I had to take time out of my Studebaker's fixing up to re-build this crawler. Still got some more work to do on crawler but I am ready to get back to my Studebakers.

P.S. Matthew I missed you at the Flordia State meet in Jacksonville.

ma1951
10-21-2006, 06:56 PM
Hey, there is not anything wrong with Oliver crawlers. Thats exactly what got me hooked on wanting a crawler years ago. My grandaddy had a Oc-4, a 1957 or 1958 model, that he rode me on when I was around 5 years old. Never forgot it. Always had to have a toy crawler ( Tonka )after that. This john deere became available and it also had been a family tractor. So I had to take time out of my Studebaker's fixing up to re-build this crawler. Still got some more work to do on crawler but I am ready to get back to my Studebakers.

P.S. Matthew I missed you at the Flordia State meet in Jacksonville.

ma1951
10-21-2006, 06:56 PM
Hey, there is not anything wrong with Oliver crawlers. Thats exactly what got me hooked on wanting a crawler years ago. My grandaddy had a Oc-4, a 1957 or 1958 model, that he rode me on when I was around 5 years old. Never forgot it. Always had to have a toy crawler ( Tonka )after that. This john deere became available and it also had been a family tractor. So I had to take time out of my Studebaker's fixing up to re-build this crawler. Still got some more work to do on crawler but I am ready to get back to my Studebakers.

P.S. Matthew I missed you at the Flordia State meet in Jacksonville.

mbstude
10-21-2006, 07:02 PM
Yes, I hate I missed the meet too. Can't make 'em all. [V] How was it?

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mbstude
10-21-2006, 07:02 PM
Yes, I hate I missed the meet too. Can't make 'em all. [V] How was it?

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ma1951
10-21-2006, 07:27 PM
It was pretty good. At a good location. There was a 1949 champion 4-door sedan that still had the original interior and was painted the original Concord Blue. It had the wide white walls. Neil asked me did I take a whole roll of film. Not quiet but at least half. That was the only car there in the 1947-1952 class. It sure was a beauty. Gave me the fever to get back on my cars. Wasn't but 3 vendors but had some good sheetmetal. Also there was a vendor there, also a member of our local chapter, that had original Studebaker manuals. He sold a good many of them.

ma1951
10-21-2006, 07:27 PM
It was pretty good. At a good location. There was a 1949 champion 4-door sedan that still had the original interior and was painted the original Concord Blue. It had the wide white walls. Neil asked me did I take a whole roll of film. Not quiet but at least half. That was the only car there in the 1947-1952 class. It sure was a beauty. Gave me the fever to get back on my cars. Wasn't but 3 vendors but had some good sheetmetal. Also there was a vendor there, also a member of our local chapter, that had original Studebaker manuals. He sold a good many of them.

mbstude
10-21-2006, 07:52 PM
Who had the manuals? I'm curious as to who it was.

There was only 1 car in the 47-52 class?!?!? Geez! You shoulda brought a couple of yours! I heard that Steve Cade and the gang weren't there, they usually own half the cars that are there. :D I think Steve was going hunting. Papa Neil didn;t buy another Stude did he? You know how he is. ;)

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mbstude
10-21-2006, 07:52 PM
Who had the manuals? I'm curious as to who it was.

There was only 1 car in the 47-52 class?!?!? Geez! You shoulda brought a couple of yours! I heard that Steve Cade and the gang weren't there, they usually own half the cars that are there. :D I think Steve was going hunting. Papa Neil didn;t buy another Stude did he? You know how he is. ;)

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ma1951
10-21-2006, 09:21 PM
He had not bought a car as of 2:00. The person with the manuals was Brian from Richmond Hill. He was at the last meeting in Brunswick.

ma1951
10-21-2006, 09:21 PM
He had not bought a car as of 2:00. The person with the manuals was Brian from Richmond Hill. He was at the last meeting in Brunswick.

mbstude
10-22-2006, 10:28 AM
OK, maybe he just came back with the Stude (Er, Stude related- Avanti II) he left in. [8D]

I know Brian. He's a nice guy, has a pretty gold '63 Cruiser.

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mbstude
10-22-2006, 10:28 AM
OK, maybe he just came back with the Stude (Er, Stude related- Avanti II) he left in. [8D]

I know Brian. He's a nice guy, has a pretty gold '63 Cruiser.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg