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stude53
10-17-2006, 06:32 PM
If you remove the headlight pods, how hard would it be to change to single headlights? I prefer single, and have seen them, I think, on Scotsman models.

I've begun to like the idea of creating a finned 58 pickup, and 4drs are more easily found as donor cars.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

Guido
10-17-2006, 08:20 PM
Bob,

There is a '58 President 4 door on e-Bay now sans motor which would allow you to drop in the R-2 block that Bigsy has.

Gary

http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/af/37/a6_3.JPG

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-17-2006, 08:20 PM
Bob,

There is a '58 President 4 door on e-Bay now sans motor which would allow you to drop in the R-2 block that Bigsy has.

Gary

http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/af/37/a6_3.JPG

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
10-17-2006, 08:27 PM
Bob, it's not just a matter of unbolting the pods and reverting to single headlites. There's differences to the fenders there and the hood accomodates the pods too![:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-17-2006, 08:27 PM
Bob, it's not just a matter of unbolting the pods and reverting to single headlites. There's differences to the fenders there and the hood accomodates the pods too![:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

imported_n/a
10-18-2006, 12:13 AM
Like Mr Biggs said, removing the Pods causes troubles, because now the hood won't fit right, and they are what make the 58's so, uhh--distinctive! 58 Scotsman used the 7" sealed beam with the pods. Usually the headlight bezel was painted, but some were chrome. I had thought about using the 7"headlights with the pods on the Packebaker, since I have a nice set of the plated single-light bezels. It would require some work to the fender, I believe, using inner headlight mounting brackets from a scotsman or a 56-57, since the fender stamping is very similar and they used 7" sealed beams. But, maybe I won't if someone has a very nice set of 58 dual-headlight bezels they'll sell me. Sasco had 'em until about 5 years ago. I'll let someone else shed some "light" on this subject..... :)58's are Classics, too! Well, Aren't they?

imported_n/a
10-18-2006, 12:13 AM
Like Mr Biggs said, removing the Pods causes troubles, because now the hood won't fit right, and they are what make the 58's so, uhh--distinctive! 58 Scotsman used the 7" sealed beam with the pods. Usually the headlight bezel was painted, but some were chrome. I had thought about using the 7"headlights with the pods on the Packebaker, since I have a nice set of the plated single-light bezels. It would require some work to the fender, I believe, using inner headlight mounting brackets from a scotsman or a 56-57, since the fender stamping is very similar and they used 7" sealed beams. But, maybe I won't if someone has a very nice set of 58 dual-headlight bezels they'll sell me. Sasco had 'em until about 5 years ago. I'll let someone else shed some "light" on this subject..... :)58's are Classics, too! Well, Aren't they?

56H-Y6
10-18-2006, 08:20 AM
Hi
The easiest way to put the 7" diameter single headlights in a '58 with the pods is to use the standard headlight buckets and rims from the '58 Champion, on which the dual headlight setup was optional in spite of having the pods on the fenders.
Would love to see a '58 Packard fitted with a set!!!!!
On the way Studebaker made those pods fit, they cut out sections on each side of the headlight openings of the '56-'57 fenders, welded a stamped plate to mount the duals on. I have seen a set of NOS at York that you can see all the modifications it took to do the pods. Also the '57 hood was modified at each front corner to accomodate the inside pod, think of all the cost for what the results were and what relatively few sales resulted!!!
Steve

56H-Y6
10-18-2006, 08:20 AM
Hi
The easiest way to put the 7" diameter single headlights in a '58 with the pods is to use the standard headlight buckets and rims from the '58 Champion, on which the dual headlight setup was optional in spite of having the pods on the fenders.
Would love to see a '58 Packard fitted with a set!!!!!
On the way Studebaker made those pods fit, they cut out sections on each side of the headlight openings of the '56-'57 fenders, welded a stamped plate to mount the duals on. I have seen a set of NOS at York that you can see all the modifications it took to do the pods. Also the '57 hood was modified at each front corner to accomodate the inside pod, think of all the cost for what the results were and what relatively few sales resulted!!!
Steve

Roscomacaw
10-18-2006, 10:45 AM
The easy way to do this is to find either a 58 Scotsman or a '57 sedan and use the entire doghouse. That's assuming your aim is to get away from the pods.:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-18-2006, 10:45 AM
The easy way to do this is to find either a 58 Scotsman or a '57 sedan and use the entire doghouse. That's assuming your aim is to get away from the pods.:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

stude53
10-18-2006, 06:18 PM
Thanks everyone for your answers. I just get these wild notions at times, and usually given time, they go away![:I]

If I ever find my coveted 54 Stude S/W, I'm still dreaming about a 53 Starliner nose. I know this entails either a custom fiberglass front clip, or a longer frame(but subframing with a Chevy Nova front frame would cure this). I once owned a chopped 53 coupe with a Chevy Nova subframe, and my current 53 starliner has a 350/350 combo with a Camaro 4:11 Posi rear in it, so modifieds and customs are not scary to me.

These days, however I usually end up doing the mods with software. Less work and expense.:D:D:D

But that SweptWing Pickup is singing a siren's song to me;)

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
10-18-2006, 06:18 PM
Thanks everyone for your answers. I just get these wild notions at times, and usually given time, they go away![:I]

If I ever find my coveted 54 Stude S/W, I'm still dreaming about a 53 Starliner nose. I know this entails either a custom fiberglass front clip, or a longer frame(but subframing with a Chevy Nova front frame would cure this). I once owned a chopped 53 coupe with a Chevy Nova subframe, and my current 53 starliner has a 350/350 combo with a Camaro 4:11 Posi rear in it, so modifieds and customs are not scary to me.

These days, however I usually end up doing the mods with software. Less work and expense.:D:D:D

But that SweptWing Pickup is singing a siren's song to me;)

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
10-18-2006, 06:47 PM
<center>Then theres Roy & Shari Buchanan's 1958 Studebaker Scotsman Wagon.

Beautiful!!! </center>

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/58StudebakerWagon-Top.jpg

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
10-18-2006, 06:47 PM
<center>Then theres Roy & Shari Buchanan's 1958 Studebaker Scotsman Wagon.

Beautiful!!! </center>

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/58StudebakerWagon-Top.jpg

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

ST2DE5
10-18-2006, 07:00 PM
Those fenders you saw at York I have them. One is for a 58 Packard and the other is for a 58 scotsman one has a vent door and trhe other don't. I am going to put them on my 56 wagon. But the delima is do I put a vent door on the scotsman side or weld up the vent on the Packard side. Or leave them like they are I like the vent but my wife dosen't. It's just for driving not show.

ST2DE5
10-18-2006, 07:00 PM
Those fenders you saw at York I have them. One is for a 58 Packard and the other is for a 58 scotsman one has a vent door and trhe other don't. I am going to put them on my 56 wagon. But the delima is do I put a vent door on the scotsman side or weld up the vent on the Packard side. Or leave them like they are I like the vent but my wife dosen't. It's just for driving not show.

StudeDave57
10-18-2006, 10:59 PM
Your '56 is supposed to have vents~ on both sides. Installing a '58 Packard fender will work, but as is mentioned above- it'll just involve some more work if it is an actual '58 fender. The Scotsman was the only '58 sedan to use the "old" fenders from '56 and '57...
I wish I had saved those fenders on that '56 wagon all those years ago... :( that way I'd have something to offer you in return for the '58 Packard fender you have!!!


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-18-2006, 10:59 PM
Your '56 is supposed to have vents~ on both sides. Installing a '58 Packard fender will work, but as is mentioned above- it'll just involve some more work if it is an actual '58 fender. The Scotsman was the only '58 sedan to use the "old" fenders from '56 and '57...
I wish I had saved those fenders on that '56 wagon all those years ago... :( that way I'd have something to offer you in return for the '58 Packard fender you have!!!


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

ST2DE5
10-18-2006, 11:08 PM
The ones I have is N.O.S. they have never been on a car. As soon as I get a little more fire wood cut. I'm going to start welding up holes. And they do have a lot of extra holes.

ST2DE5
10-18-2006, 11:08 PM
The ones I have is N.O.S. they have never been on a car. As soon as I get a little more fire wood cut. I'm going to start welding up holes. And they do have a lot of extra holes.

StudeRich
10-19-2006, 12:22 AM
But...whatya gonna do about the '58's dual Headlight dents??????

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
10-19-2006, 12:22 AM
But...whatya gonna do about the '58's dual Headlight dents??????

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

imported_n/a
10-19-2006, 06:19 PM
The 58 Packard fender not only has no vent hole by the door, but it has lots of good-sized holes stamped in it for the extra moldings on the side; a recess at the lower front for the fiberglass fender extension, and a piece welded on around the headlight opening to mount the (2)headlamps. It would take a lot of work(i.e. Mud) to make it match up to an earlier car! I would suggest that for all practical purposes, you sell Dave your Packard fender, and find a better match for your car. [:0]

imported_n/a
10-19-2006, 06:19 PM
The 58 Packard fender not only has no vent hole by the door, but it has lots of good-sized holes stamped in it for the extra moldings on the side; a recess at the lower front for the fiberglass fender extension, and a piece welded on around the headlight opening to mount the (2)headlamps. It would take a lot of work(i.e. Mud) to make it match up to an earlier car! I would suggest that for all practical purposes, you sell Dave your Packard fender, and find a better match for your car. [:0]

StudeDave57
10-20-2006, 12:19 AM
I guess I left all those other details out, thanks Wilber!!! [:0] [V] [B)]
It would seem a shame to use that 'special' fender on something else... [?]

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-20-2006, 12:19 AM
I guess I left all those other details out, thanks Wilber!!! [:0] [V] [B)]
It would seem a shame to use that 'special' fender on something else... [?]

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

loc8tor
10-20-2006, 07:01 AM
I have always wanted a 58 Studebaker 2 dr Htop. Love the way it looks from the side. The quad lights, look kinda goofey but they're different and I kinda like that. [

hmmm, my girlfriend has 2 GT Hawks....and I feel left out, wheres my "R" model Daytona????

loc8tor
10-20-2006, 07:01 AM
I have always wanted a 58 Studebaker 2 dr Htop. Love the way it looks from the side. The quad lights, look kinda goofey but they're different and I kinda like that. [

hmmm, my girlfriend has 2 GT Hawks....and I feel left out, wheres my "R" model Daytona????