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Dan White
10-16-2006, 08:36 PM
Not sure if anyone has posted this but if not check it out. Anyone know whos this is?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1953-Classic-Customized-Studebaker-Commander-Roadster_W0QQitemZ170038269167QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

showbizkid
10-16-2006, 09:39 PM
All I can do is look at that grille and think "Good Lord."


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
10-16-2006, 09:39 PM
All I can do is look at that grille and think "Good Lord."


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

Roscomacaw
10-16-2006, 10:06 PM
Hmmmm.... "Garage stored for 43 years" Quite a feat with that very late model Pontiac cobbling up front.
When will the butchers realize they can not do better than what Bourke did???[V]



Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-16-2006, 10:06 PM
Hmmmm.... "Garage stored for 43 years" Quite a feat with that very late model Pontiac cobbling up front.
When will the butchers realize they can not do better than what Bourke did???[V]



Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
10-17-2006, 02:47 AM
quote:When will the butchers realize they can not do better than what Bourke did???

Maybe that's why is sat in storage for forty years.;) They got tired of hearing that question!:D

Reminds me of BMW meets Studebaker. They at least did a reasonably good job.

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
10-17-2006, 02:47 AM
quote:When will the butchers realize they can not do better than what Bourke did???

Maybe that's why is sat in storage for forty years.;) They got tired of hearing that question!:D

Reminds me of BMW meets Studebaker. They at least did a reasonably good job.

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

Transtar56
10-17-2006, 03:12 AM
Good parts car,but the price is already to high.

Transtar56
10-17-2006, 03:12 AM
Good parts car,but the price is already to high.

CHAMP
10-17-2006, 08:22 AM
I don't like the grill and I don't like going topless all the time!:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
10-17-2006, 08:22 AM
I don't like the grill and I don't like going topless all the time!:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

Scott
10-17-2006, 09:06 AM
I think it's pretty interesting, but not an improvement on the original, certainly. It kind of reminds me of Poirot's mustache.

Scott
10-17-2006, 09:06 AM
I think it's pretty interesting, but not an improvement on the original, certainly. It kind of reminds me of Poirot's mustache.

55Studebaker
10-17-2006, 07:03 PM
nice project car, just needs a '53 front end [xx(]

John Reich
Long Island Chapter Spotlight Editor & Webmaster
1955 Studebaker President Stude Powered Street Rod
1960 Studebaker Lark VI (project)
1971 Avanti II w/4-speed(For Sale)
www.listudebaker.com

55Studebaker
10-17-2006, 07:03 PM
nice project car, just needs a '53 front end [xx(]

John Reich
Long Island Chapter Spotlight Editor & Webmaster
1955 Studebaker President Stude Powered Street Rod
1960 Studebaker Lark VI (project)
1971 Avanti II w/4-speed(For Sale)
www.listudebaker.com

jjones
10-17-2006, 07:28 PM
Maybe it was garage-stored for 43 years before they screwed it up.

jjones
10-17-2006, 07:28 PM
Maybe it was garage-stored for 43 years before they screwed it up.

arkiejazz
10-17-2006, 07:41 PM
it was kept inside so no one would have to look at it

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
10-17-2006, 07:41 PM
it was kept inside so no one would have to look at it

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

Roscomacaw
10-17-2006, 08:29 PM
Heh! Scott, that was my FIRST thought when I saw it. Hercule Poirot![^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-17-2006, 08:29 PM
Heh! Scott, that was my FIRST thought when I saw it. Hercule Poirot![^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

rockne10
10-17-2006, 08:46 PM
Credit where credit is due. Someone obviously took a lot of time to do a very clean job. That's the extent of my praise. IMHO I've never seen a custom 53 that could be called an improvement on the original design. It would have taken less time and work to not alter it and achieve a more desirable end.

Perhaps the cost of new chrome grills was a putoff. But it's a pretty color and even body color original grills would catch my eye. To each his own but I think the car has been ruined.[V]

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
10-17-2006, 08:46 PM
Credit where credit is due. Someone obviously took a lot of time to do a very clean job. That's the extent of my praise. IMHO I've never seen a custom 53 that could be called an improvement on the original design. It would have taken less time and work to not alter it and achieve a more desirable end.

Perhaps the cost of new chrome grills was a putoff. But it's a pretty color and even body color original grills would catch my eye. To each his own but I think the car has been ruined.[V]

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

bams50
10-17-2006, 08:52 PM
Always wondered what the attraction was to taking pot-shots at someone's car...[:o)]

Obviously someone put a lot of work into that car... it's not to my taste but someone must have liked it... hope the proud owner or designer doesn't come here :(

Guess I better be careful about showing off my handiwork here as my projects come together :D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
10-17-2006, 08:52 PM
Always wondered what the attraction was to taking pot-shots at someone's car...[:o)]

Obviously someone put a lot of work into that car... it's not to my taste but someone must have liked it... hope the proud owner or designer doesn't come here :(

Guess I better be careful about showing off my handiwork here as my projects come together :D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

John Kirchhoff
10-17-2006, 09:27 PM
That thing looks like a cross between a Kaiser Darrin and a catfish mouthed Packard Hawk. True, we shouldn't be critical of a person's car because I'm sure there's someone out there that thinks a Yugo or the Korean made Ford Fiesta is a real beauty also. So much for good tastes though........

John Kirchhoff
10-17-2006, 09:27 PM
That thing looks like a cross between a Kaiser Darrin and a catfish mouthed Packard Hawk. True, we shouldn't be critical of a person's car because I'm sure there's someone out there that thinks a Yugo or the Korean made Ford Fiesta is a real beauty also. So much for good tastes though........

5859
10-17-2006, 11:52 PM
It does look even more european than the original, kind of reminds me of a large Fiat spyder. Not my taste, but the work looks well done.

5859
10-17-2006, 11:52 PM
It does look even more european than the original, kind of reminds me of a large Fiat spyder. Not my taste, but the work looks well done.

Commander51
10-18-2006, 05:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Always wondered what the attraction was to taking pot-shots at someone's car...[:o)]

Obviously someone put a lot of work into that car... it's not to my taste but someone must have liked it... hope the proud owner or designer doesn't come here :(

Guess I better be careful about showing off my handiwork here as my projects come together :D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1



It's worth noting that at the time I made this post, there were bids on that car from 12 different people. There's 12 people who have a high opinion of that car, roughly the same number of people posting to this subject....

For every completed custom job we criticize, I'm betting there are two or three 'restorations' that are stalled or failed. Which is worse? Discussions like these just drive away newbies, younger car enthusiasts or anyone other than 'purists'. If we build a wall around the hobby high enough, eventually we'll succeed in keeping any new interest out. BAMS, good luck on your projects, but I wouldn't blame you if you decided not to show us your work and let these guys beat you up over the results.

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/gmail98/th_51CommanderState.jpg
51 Commander State Sedan
Worthington PA

Commander51
10-18-2006, 05:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Always wondered what the attraction was to taking pot-shots at someone's car...[:o)]

Obviously someone put a lot of work into that car... it's not to my taste but someone must have liked it... hope the proud owner or designer doesn't come here :(

Guess I better be careful about showing off my handiwork here as my projects come together :D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1



It's worth noting that at the time I made this post, there were bids on that car from 12 different people. There's 12 people who have a high opinion of that car, roughly the same number of people posting to this subject....

For every completed custom job we criticize, I'm betting there are two or three 'restorations' that are stalled or failed. Which is worse? Discussions like these just drive away newbies, younger car enthusiasts or anyone other than 'purists'. If we build a wall around the hobby high enough, eventually we'll succeed in keeping any new interest out. BAMS, good luck on your projects, but I wouldn't blame you if you decided not to show us your work and let these guys beat you up over the results.

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/gmail98/th_51CommanderState.jpg
51 Commander State Sedan
Worthington PA

tstclr
10-18-2006, 05:52 AM
Even stock looking Studes can turn some people off. I've gotten more wierd looks from people than positive responses when they see a picture of a 63 Lark. Ah well, I like to be different.
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
10-18-2006, 05:52 AM
Even stock looking Studes can turn some people off. I've gotten more wierd looks from people than positive responses when they see a picture of a 63 Lark. Ah well, I like to be different.
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

CHAMP
10-18-2006, 08:06 AM
I agree somewhat about criticizing other peoples cars here. But IMHO It's really hard to improve on some cars, such as the 53-55 C/K cars. I do beleive we have the right to express our opinoins here. The car does look to be well done in the pictures and I'm sure someone really likes it. As far as twelve bids meaning that twelve people like it I think it could mean at least two people are bidding on it. If it were mine I'd probably drive it like it is and look for a 55 grill and a top. I don't think they totaly destroyed the looks of the car.:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
10-18-2006, 08:06 AM
I agree somewhat about criticizing other peoples cars here. But IMHO It's really hard to improve on some cars, such as the 53-55 C/K cars. I do beleive we have the right to express our opinoins here. The car does look to be well done in the pictures and I'm sure someone really likes it. As far as twelve bids meaning that twelve people like it I think it could mean at least two people are bidding on it. If it were mine I'd probably drive it like it is and look for a 55 grill and a top. I don't think they totaly destroyed the looks of the car.:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

Studedude1961
10-18-2006, 10:32 AM
Perhaps this is a rare Studebaker one-off. It looks to me that perhaps Raymond Loewy told his designers to "make it look like zee moustache."

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
10-18-2006, 10:32 AM
Perhaps this is a rare Studebaker one-off. It looks to me that perhaps Raymond Loewy told his designers to "make it look like zee moustache."

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Walt Zander
10-18-2006, 10:56 AM
Every fellow is entitled to his opinion. If he is right, he need not argue to prove it-- if he is wrong, argument will not make hime right.
author unknown.

Like the song (Garden Party) says.... you can't please everyone, you gotta please yourself.

Build what you want - drive what you built. If it happens to be a Stude - so much the better!:)



'49 Champion Starlight Coupe
1936 Miller Replica / Stude driveline

Walt Zander
10-18-2006, 10:56 AM
Every fellow is entitled to his opinion. If he is right, he need not argue to prove it-- if he is wrong, argument will not make hime right.
author unknown.

Like the song (Garden Party) says.... you can't please everyone, you gotta please yourself.

Build what you want - drive what you built. If it happens to be a Stude - so much the better!:)



'49 Champion Starlight Coupe
1936 Miller Replica / Stude driveline

CHAMP
10-19-2006, 07:39 AM
I have to agree with Walt and BTW Garden Party is my favorite Ricky Nelson song! And I'm sure that whoever customized that Stude. liked it:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
10-19-2006, 07:39 AM
I have to agree with Walt and BTW Garden Party is my favorite Ricky Nelson song! And I'm sure that whoever customized that Stude. liked it:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

Commander51
10-19-2006, 08:20 AM
Walt, It's also probably true that if someone's wrong, arguing with him won't change his mind either. What argument or unsolicited criticism will do, however, to those who overhear/oversee the comment, is cause them to 'take sides' in their own minds. When it comes to modified/custom cars, any side-taking at all is bad for the hobby if it 'turns off' prospective participants.

I like the 'everybody's entitled to his opinion'-- it has a great sound to it. But Mom always said 'If you don't have something nice to say, dear, say nothing at all.' That's good advice,too, and it's better at keeping friends.

Commander51
10-19-2006, 08:20 AM
Walt, It's also probably true that if someone's wrong, arguing with him won't change his mind either. What argument or unsolicited criticism will do, however, to those who overhear/oversee the comment, is cause them to 'take sides' in their own minds. When it comes to modified/custom cars, any side-taking at all is bad for the hobby if it 'turns off' prospective participants.

I like the 'everybody's entitled to his opinion'-- it has a great sound to it. But Mom always said 'If you don't have something nice to say, dear, say nothing at all.' That's good advice,too, and it's better at keeping friends.

63larkcustom
10-19-2006, 08:32 AM
I have to agree with whats being said... we may or may not agree with what the person did with the car, but again.. its their car. That catfish comment used to get leveled at the hawks fresh from the factory. I belonged to a certain midwest chapter about 10 yrs ago while I had a 62 Lark Cruiser with the power pack options. At that time, the car was snubbed and I was told, "don't waste your money on it.. that is not a desireable car." I kept the car and stopped going to the meetings. Remember folks, those little larks and champs and scotsmen were the cars that kept Studebaker going. The Hawks, coupes and avantis were the cars that brought people to the showroom where they ended up driving home in the "lesser" cars. GET REAL, this club is here to support ALL Studebakers. Sorry for getting on the soapbox, but come on folks but lets give some respect where its due.

Bob Sporner

63larkcustom
10-19-2006, 08:32 AM
I have to agree with whats being said... we may or may not agree with what the person did with the car, but again.. its their car. That catfish comment used to get leveled at the hawks fresh from the factory. I belonged to a certain midwest chapter about 10 yrs ago while I had a 62 Lark Cruiser with the power pack options. At that time, the car was snubbed and I was told, "don't waste your money on it.. that is not a desireable car." I kept the car and stopped going to the meetings. Remember folks, those little larks and champs and scotsmen were the cars that kept Studebaker going. The Hawks, coupes and avantis were the cars that brought people to the showroom where they ended up driving home in the "lesser" cars. GET REAL, this club is here to support ALL Studebakers. Sorry for getting on the soapbox, but come on folks but lets give some respect where its due.

Bob Sporner

Commander51
10-19-2006, 10:29 AM
When I go to a big cruise, there's always a few 'undesireables' there, solid, clean and dependable-looking. The cars may not turn heads, but when I take time to talk to the owner, there's always a great story about the car, that to the owner make it more valuable than just the sum of its parts.

I own a 51 Sedan, not necessarily because I like sedans, but because my parents LOVE to go for rides in old cars. I can't get them in and out of the back seats of a coupe (they wouldn't try--its 'undignified') so as long as they can ride, a sedan is what I'll have. It's probably the best time I have with my dad--what more can I say?

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/gmail98/th_51CommanderState.jpg
51 Commander State Sedan
Worthington PA

Commander51
10-19-2006, 10:29 AM
When I go to a big cruise, there's always a few 'undesireables' there, solid, clean and dependable-looking. The cars may not turn heads, but when I take time to talk to the owner, there's always a great story about the car, that to the owner make it more valuable than just the sum of its parts.

I own a 51 Sedan, not necessarily because I like sedans, but because my parents LOVE to go for rides in old cars. I can't get them in and out of the back seats of a coupe (they wouldn't try--its 'undignified') so as long as they can ride, a sedan is what I'll have. It's probably the best time I have with my dad--what more can I say?

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/gmail98/th_51CommanderState.jpg
51 Commander State Sedan
Worthington PA

Roscomacaw
10-19-2006, 11:12 AM
I'm not gonna say we should bash every car that's brought to our attention if it seems that it's not tastefully done. On the other hand, being human as I am, I'm entitled to an opinion and the 1st amendment guarantees my right to express it. (Of course, Bob Shaw may have a different notion, but it's HIS call as moderator)
Now, if we want politically correct here all the time, there's no need for anything but the top left Smilely face icon of the 20 that are available when we draft a post.:) That and an ergononically placed on/off switch to turn ourselves on or off as is required to meet the tasks of the day. We can program machines to only do the things we want them to do. But when this computer starts telling ME what to do instead of me being IT'S master - game over!

I sold the 54 hardtop yesterday. I'd bought it to sell and when a fella agreed to my asking price, I agreed to sell it. I COULD have said "Sorry!" when he admitted he was going to drop in alternate power. But - I'd bought to sell, not so I could try and dictate it's fate down the road. Would I like to see it get a Stude V8? Sure. But did I stipulate that the guy must do so before I'd agree to sell him the car? No. Yet that certainly WAS an option at my disposal.

If I think the late Pontiac grilles stuck on this '53 look like an expensive rendition of a Mr. Potato-Head game, can I not say that for fear of hurting someone's delicate psyche??? Boy - the guys that did the styling on the Edsels must've gone into therapy for years after the cars debuted. [V]

This reminds me of the fact that my wife (as a high school teacher) has to tread REALLY carefully with what she says in class. ONE emotion-spurred slip of the tongue (and that's not to say blatant profanity)or even innocent phrase and she'd get called on the carpet. And it happens to good teachers every day. Some kid's gotten a bad grade and tells his mom or dad (whichever one's got custody since the parents broke up over having their feelings hurt) that Mrs. So 'n so said thus an' such and embarrassed me in front of my classmates!
What I'd like to know is how such coddling prepares a kid for when he goes out to face the REAL world on his own!:( Maybe that's part of the reason so many 20-somethings are still living at home.

I've had folks say to my face: "Ah, you drive a Stupidbaker! Why?" And not just once has this happened. Do I slink back under my rock and sulk? Man, if you respond like that, you need to be driving a 57 Chevy![xx(]


Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-19-2006, 11:12 AM
I'm not gonna say we should bash every car that's brought to our attention if it seems that it's not tastefully done. On the other hand, being human as I am, I'm entitled to an opinion and the 1st amendment guarantees my right to express it. (Of course, Bob Shaw may have a different notion, but it's HIS call as moderator)
Now, if we want politically correct here all the time, there's no need for anything but the top left Smilely face icon of the 20 that are available when we draft a post.:) That and an ergononically placed on/off switch to turn ourselves on or off as is required to meet the tasks of the day. We can program machines to only do the things we want them to do. But when this computer starts telling ME what to do instead of me being IT'S master - game over!

I sold the 54 hardtop yesterday. I'd bought it to sell and when a fella agreed to my asking price, I agreed to sell it. I COULD have said "Sorry!" when he admitted he was going to drop in alternate power. But - I'd bought to sell, not so I could try and dictate it's fate down the road. Would I like to see it get a Stude V8? Sure. But did I stipulate that the guy must do so before I'd agree to sell him the car? No. Yet that certainly WAS an option at my disposal.

If I think the late Pontiac grilles stuck on this '53 look like an expensive rendition of a Mr. Potato-Head game, can I not say that for fear of hurting someone's delicate psyche??? Boy - the guys that did the styling on the Edsels must've gone into therapy for years after the cars debuted. [V]

This reminds me of the fact that my wife (as a high school teacher) has to tread REALLY carefully with what she says in class. ONE emotion-spurred slip of the tongue (and that's not to say blatant profanity)or even innocent phrase and she'd get called on the carpet. And it happens to good teachers every day. Some kid's gotten a bad grade and tells his mom or dad (whichever one's got custody since the parents broke up over having their feelings hurt) that Mrs. So 'n so said thus an' such and embarrassed me in front of my classmates!
What I'd like to know is how such coddling prepares a kid for when he goes out to face the REAL world on his own!:( Maybe that's part of the reason so many 20-somethings are still living at home.

I've had folks say to my face: "Ah, you drive a Stupidbaker! Why?" And not just once has this happened. Do I slink back under my rock and sulk? Man, if you respond like that, you need to be driving a 57 Chevy![xx(]


Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

showbizkid
10-19-2006, 11:24 AM
Of course you guys are right. It's their car, and they can do what they like with it. Like someone already said, whoever did the work on the Stude posted here probably loved it.

Personally, I have a real problem with torching the tops off of old cars to make "convertibles." But there are folks who want a fun ride and can't afford the real thing, so this is the only way they can get there.

But what's the point of a forum if we can't express our opinions about this stuff? Some of us like it, some of us don't, but why should it be considered offensive if we say we don't? That's not to say it's OK to be rude or make fun of stuff at will, but if you don't like something and say so politely, you shouldn't be slapped for it.


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
10-19-2006, 11:24 AM
Of course you guys are right. It's their car, and they can do what they like with it. Like someone already said, whoever did the work on the Stude posted here probably loved it.

Personally, I have a real problem with torching the tops off of old cars to make "convertibles." But there are folks who want a fun ride and can't afford the real thing, so this is the only way they can get there.

But what's the point of a forum if we can't express our opinions about this stuff? Some of us like it, some of us don't, but why should it be considered offensive if we say we don't? That's not to say it's OK to be rude or make fun of stuff at will, but if you don't like something and say so politely, you shouldn't be slapped for it.


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

63larkcustom
10-19-2006, 01:03 PM
To your point on the freedom of speech. Thank god we have it and we can express our differing views and at the end of the day agree to disagree.

Bob Sporner

63larkcustom
10-19-2006, 01:03 PM
To your point on the freedom of speech. Thank god we have it and we can express our differing views and at the end of the day agree to disagree.

Bob Sporner

bams50
10-19-2006, 01:38 PM
I think some are missing my point...

Constructive criticism certainly has it's place; but there's a BIG difference between that and, "was kept inside so no one would have to see it" or the like! I can't imagine if I spent MONTHS thinking, planning, and dreaming up an idea to customize my beloved car- then more months searching- and paying for- just the right pieces for my vision- then hour after hour of hard, sweaty, tiring trial-and-error work- lovingly polishing the finished work- and proudly rolling it out to share with all the world... only to hear it called, "cobbled" :([xx(]

My point is: Having worked on cars all my life- all aspects- and knowing the effort that goes into this type of work, I recognize it includes a fair amount of love for the subject vehicle... and I hope I never inadvertently insult someone that way! Life's too short, and there's enough bad going on in the world, to hurt those who, like myself, love cars!! I think one of the reasons I've become so fond of Studes in particular is because of the support and knowledge sharing by good people on this forum! Of course, we all do have the right to free speech- but reciting that right as a defense to going out of one's way to needlessly run somebody's work down just because one wouldn't have done it that way is, with all due respect, rather lame [V]

To Com. 51- Ultimately, I will of course post updates- and pics- of my handiwork here as I go along; reason is, I think that most everybody here is decent in their nature; just some are maybe a little misguided in this area... probably the vast majority realize based on my history here that my comments are based in caring about Stude people, Stude cars, and the continuing growth and preservation of the marque... so I'm confident that any comments will be constructive in nature, as they've always been.

Which is why, IMHO, cheap shots at someone's vision, whether we like their work or not, just doesn't fit the SDC forum I've come to know and appreciate!


Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
10-19-2006, 01:38 PM
I think some are missing my point...

Constructive criticism certainly has it's place; but there's a BIG difference between that and, "was kept inside so no one would have to see it" or the like! I can't imagine if I spent MONTHS thinking, planning, and dreaming up an idea to customize my beloved car- then more months searching- and paying for- just the right pieces for my vision- then hour after hour of hard, sweaty, tiring trial-and-error work- lovingly polishing the finished work- and proudly rolling it out to share with all the world... only to hear it called, "cobbled" :([xx(]

My point is: Having worked on cars all my life- all aspects- and knowing the effort that goes into this type of work, I recognize it includes a fair amount of love for the subject vehicle... and I hope I never inadvertently insult someone that way! Life's too short, and there's enough bad going on in the world, to hurt those who, like myself, love cars!! I think one of the reasons I've become so fond of Studes in particular is because of the support and knowledge sharing by good people on this forum! Of course, we all do have the right to free speech- but reciting that right as a defense to going out of one's way to needlessly run somebody's work down just because one wouldn't have done it that way is, with all due respect, rather lame [V]

To Com. 51- Ultimately, I will of course post updates- and pics- of my handiwork here as I go along; reason is, I think that most everybody here is decent in their nature; just some are maybe a little misguided in this area... probably the vast majority realize based on my history here that my comments are based in caring about Stude people, Stude cars, and the continuing growth and preservation of the marque... so I'm confident that any comments will be constructive in nature, as they've always been.

Which is why, IMHO, cheap shots at someone's vision, whether we like their work or not, just doesn't fit the SDC forum I've come to know and appreciate!


Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

63larkcustom
10-19-2006, 02:10 PM
Very well put BAMS. We are here to support each other in keeping our Studebakers alive and on the road. Not to make each other ashamed of our work. Leave that for the brand x people.

63larkcustom
10-19-2006, 02:10 PM
Very well put BAMS. We are here to support each other in keeping our Studebakers alive and on the road. Not to make each other ashamed of our work. Leave that for the brand x people.

BShaw
10-19-2006, 04:26 PM
As someone mentioned me in this thread, here's my Bobservation:

Amid this discussion of "personal taste", "freedom of speech", "political correctness", et al, I'd like to inject another word into the discussion: "Manners".

If all the forum members weighing in on this topic were at a show standing in front of the car being discussed, with its owner and hundreds of other spectators looking on, would anyone think it good manners if someone started telling everyone within earshot how ugly the car is, or worse, say things about the owner of the car?

Sure, you might say something to your buddies standing there along side you, but it's unlikey that you would ask folks to gather 'round to hear you poke fun at or ridicule that car and/or its owner. Why wouldn't you? Because your "manners" would cause you to be somewhat diplomatic in your public declarations. Good manners doesn't mean you say you like something when you don't. Good manners doesn't mean you keep your mouth shut when asked for your opinion. But, manners do often help you decide HOW you express your dislike or disagreement. Manners have nothing to do with freedom of speech or political correctness.

The SDC Forums are even more public than that car show mentioned above. When we discuss something, it is not just words said in confidence "between a few". Every discussion and every word typed is intended to be read by everyone in the Studebaker world. And they are not like spoken words that dissipate. These forum words are indelible and cannot be easily retracted. That is why I believe that written words should always be chosen carefully.

As the forum Administrator, I understand that members have differing opinions and I recognize the right to express those opinions.

Hopefully, those opinions will be thought through and passionately expressed knowing that we are all standing in front of this huge public crowd called the Internet... and we choose to use good manners that reflect well upon us as individuals, as a forum, and as a club.


BShaw,Webmaster
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/StudeRobert/StudeWebService-small.gif
60 Hawk. 49 2R5, 39 Champion
Woodbury, Minnesota

BShaw
10-19-2006, 04:26 PM
As someone mentioned me in this thread, here's my Bobservation:

Amid this discussion of "personal taste", "freedom of speech", "political correctness", et al, I'd like to inject another word into the discussion: "Manners".

If all the forum members weighing in on this topic were at a show standing in front of the car being discussed, with its owner and hundreds of other spectators looking on, would anyone think it good manners if someone started telling everyone within earshot how ugly the car is, or worse, say things about the owner of the car?

Sure, you might say something to your buddies standing there along side you, but it's unlikey that you would ask folks to gather 'round to hear you poke fun at or ridicule that car and/or its owner. Why wouldn't you? Because your "manners" would cause you to be somewhat diplomatic in your public declarations. Good manners doesn't mean you say you like something when you don't. Good manners doesn't mean you keep your mouth shut when asked for your opinion. But, manners do often help you decide HOW you express your dislike or disagreement. Manners have nothing to do with freedom of speech or political correctness.

The SDC Forums are even more public than that car show mentioned above. When we discuss something, it is not just words said in confidence "between a few". Every discussion and every word typed is intended to be read by everyone in the Studebaker world. And they are not like spoken words that dissipate. These forum words are indelible and cannot be easily retracted. That is why I believe that written words should always be chosen carefully.

As the forum Administrator, I understand that members have differing opinions and I recognize the right to express those opinions.

Hopefully, those opinions will be thought through and passionately expressed knowing that we are all standing in front of this huge public crowd called the Internet... and we choose to use good manners that reflect well upon us as individuals, as a forum, and as a club.


BShaw,Webmaster
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/StudeRobert/StudeWebService-small.gif
60 Hawk. 49 2R5, 39 Champion
Woodbury, Minnesota

bams50
10-19-2006, 05:35 PM
:D:D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
10-19-2006, 05:35 PM
:D:D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

Roscomacaw
10-19-2006, 05:37 PM
Dave, with regards to Sheba - her worst enemy is YOU![:0]:D Heh - why the hell do you think she gnaws on your head so much???[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-19-2006, 05:37 PM
Dave, with regards to Sheba - her worst enemy is YOU![:0]:D Heh - why the hell do you think she gnaws on your head so much???[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe