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Avantiguy
10-12-2006, 08:10 PM
I was looking at the 58 Studebaker Provincial Wagon on Ebay and was wondering if it would have been overly complicated for Studebaker to have produced a pick up truck on the lines of the Dodge Sweptside produced from 1957-1959. Take the back fenders from a 58 Studebaker wagon and mate to the truck. Combine that with some chrome, bright paint schemes and an upgraded interior might would have made for a pretty good looking item or at least, an interesting one. It was a thought. Any comments?

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

kmul221
10-12-2006, 08:51 PM
Interesting to say the least,it would be unusual as were the Mopar finned pick-ups.I wonder if any forum members are handy with Photo-Shop & could come up with something.

kmul-owner of the $$$$ eating GT

kmul221
10-12-2006, 08:51 PM
Interesting to say the least,it would be unusual as were the Mopar finned pick-ups.I wonder if any forum members are handy with Photo-Shop & could come up with something.

kmul-owner of the $$$$ eating GT

Dwain G.
10-13-2006, 12:36 AM
These Brooks Stevens drawings from about 1957 don't have the fins, but wouldn't it have been great to see this in production?
http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/pickups.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/53C.jpg
Dwain G.

Dwain G.
10-13-2006, 12:36 AM
These Brooks Stevens drawings from about 1957 don't have the fins, but wouldn't it have been great to see this in production?
http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/pickups.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/53C.jpg
Dwain G.

StudeDave57
10-13-2006, 12:51 AM
What if you just happened to have a set of '58 Packard fins and tail lights [?]
The plot thinkens... ;)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-13-2006, 12:51 AM
What if you just happened to have a set of '58 Packard fins and tail lights [?]
The plot thinkens... ;)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

Studedude1961
10-13-2006, 09:50 AM
Studebaker would have had to have produced a full width box in 1958 in order to graft much of anything onto the 1958 pickups. The only bed offered by Studebaker in 1958 was a "Stepside" type box with pontoon type fenders...nothing to graft anything onto. Had Stude had the Dodge box it later bought from Chrysler, the results would have been nice if executed properly. Someone could probably do it now given the time and inclination.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
10-13-2006, 09:50 AM
Studebaker would have had to have produced a full width box in 1958 in order to graft much of anything onto the 1958 pickups. The only bed offered by Studebaker in 1958 was a "Stepside" type box with pontoon type fenders...nothing to graft anything onto. Had Stude had the Dodge box it later bought from Chrysler, the results would have been nice if executed properly. Someone could probably do it now given the time and inclination.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Roscomacaw
10-13-2006, 11:59 AM
There was a vendor in Omaha that had a left-side fin for a '58 2-door. If he'd have had a pair, I'd have bought them in a heartbeat. In fact, I watched an NOS pair run on ebay about 5 times before the seller gave up. Only AFTER I'd seen them run over and over, did I come to realize I should have bought them.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-13-2006, 11:59 AM
There was a vendor in Omaha that had a left-side fin for a '58 2-door. If he'd have had a pair, I'd have bought them in a heartbeat. In fact, I watched an NOS pair run on ebay about 5 times before the seller gave up. Only AFTER I'd seen them run over and over, did I come to realize I should have bought them.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

larkvi
10-13-2006, 01:01 PM
I have my doubts about the Sweptside conversion as applied to a C-cab as you describe. However given that Studebaker bought the tooling for the Spaceside box from Dodge, it seems possible that the Sweptside tooling could have been purchased as well. However, by that time the T-cab had replaced the C-cab as the primary light Stude pickup, and I doubt that Dodge would have offered the Sweptside tooling to Stude at the same time it was producing that truck itself. All nutty speculation on my part, and doesn't even touch on how that box would have looked mated to a C-cab or T-cab.

On the other hand, having seen a couple of "Stude Caminos" made out of Lark wagons I'd venture a guess and say that a pickup made out of a 56-58 wagon might actually be better looking than the Lark-based versions. It might also be an option for saving such a wagon for someone with the bodywork skills to do it.

Any Photoshop experts out there willing to give it a try digitally?

Ed

larkvi
10-13-2006, 01:01 PM
I have my doubts about the Sweptside conversion as applied to a C-cab as you describe. However given that Studebaker bought the tooling for the Spaceside box from Dodge, it seems possible that the Sweptside tooling could have been purchased as well. However, by that time the T-cab had replaced the C-cab as the primary light Stude pickup, and I doubt that Dodge would have offered the Sweptside tooling to Stude at the same time it was producing that truck itself. All nutty speculation on my part, and doesn't even touch on how that box would have looked mated to a C-cab or T-cab.

On the other hand, having seen a couple of "Stude Caminos" made out of Lark wagons I'd venture a guess and say that a pickup made out of a 56-58 wagon might actually be better looking than the Lark-based versions. It might also be an option for saving such a wagon for someone with the bodywork skills to do it.

Any Photoshop experts out there willing to give it a try digitally?

Ed

garyash
10-13-2006, 05:54 PM
What, you mean you guys have never seen one of these?

http://www.studegarage.com/images/other/1958_studebaker_provincial_express.jpg

[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/gary_ash_m5_sm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

garyash
10-13-2006, 05:54 PM
What, you mean you guys have never seen one of these?

http://www.studegarage.com/images/other/1958_studebaker_provincial_express.jpg

[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/gary_ash_m5_sm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

Guido
10-13-2006, 06:43 PM
Gary,

That is a nice rendition. On the practical side of things, if this had every been built I am sure the fins would have been an early casualty of anything being loaded or unloaded.

Gary

PS I am still working on getting to Reedsville, thought Frank won't be coming.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-13-2006, 06:43 PM
Gary,

That is a nice rendition. On the practical side of things, if this had every been built I am sure the fins would have been an early casualty of anything being loaded or unloaded.

Gary

PS I am still working on getting to Reedsville, thought Frank won't be coming.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

larkvi
10-13-2006, 09:16 PM
Not bad at all, Gary. Care to try it using, say, a Scotsman? ;)

Ed

larkvi
10-13-2006, 09:16 PM
Not bad at all, Gary. Care to try it using, say, a Scotsman? ;)

Ed

Roscomacaw
10-14-2006, 09:56 AM
Thanks Gary! I'll introduce my 58 Provincial to a reciprocating saw today![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-14-2006, 09:56 AM
Thanks Gary! I'll introduce my 58 Provincial to a reciprocating saw today![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

garyash
10-14-2006, 01:19 PM
Yes, Mr. Biggs, I'd like to see you or someone actually build one. In the phantom, I just slid the rear end of the roof and the flip-up window forward. Although it wasn't done on the '59 Chevy El Camino or Ford Ranchero from that time period, most people like some space behind the front seat for storage or carrying the groceries, so I didn't push the back of the cab up tight. I could imagine some skinny fold-down jump seats mounted on the sides for kids/grandkids, but not a full seat in the back. It wouldn't be a very tough project, but I would pay some attention about where water drains could be installed. Maybe spray-in bedliner is the right thing for this one.

Gary Ash

garyash
10-14-2006, 01:19 PM
Yes, Mr. Biggs, I'd like to see you or someone actually build one. In the phantom, I just slid the rear end of the roof and the flip-up window forward. Although it wasn't done on the '59 Chevy El Camino or Ford Ranchero from that time period, most people like some space behind the front seat for storage or carrying the groceries, so I didn't push the back of the cab up tight. I could imagine some skinny fold-down jump seats mounted on the sides for kids/grandkids, but not a full seat in the back. It wouldn't be a very tough project, but I would pay some attention about where water drains could be installed. Maybe spray-in bedliner is the right thing for this one.

Gary Ash

Roscomacaw
10-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Here we go! Note, this was NOT done using Photoshop. All real sheet metal involved.[^]

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/10/15/sweptsiderear.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/10/15/Sweptside.jpg

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Here we go! Note, this was NOT done using Photoshop. All real sheet metal involved.[^]

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/10/15/sweptsiderear.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/10/15/Sweptside.jpg

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

2R5
10-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Pretty cool Bob , is the tailgate at that angle to compensate for the lift ? ;)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/smallchamp.jpg HOME of THE FRIED GREEN TOMATO

2R5
10-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Pretty cool Bob , is the tailgate at that angle to compensate for the lift ? ;)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/smallchamp.jpg HOME of THE FRIED GREEN TOMATO

stude53
10-15-2006, 05:03 PM
Note to Gary Ash: Nice piece of work!

Note to Mr. Biggs: You should do it! It reminds me of the Barris "Dream Truck".
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/dreamtruck.jpg


[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
10-15-2006, 05:03 PM
Note to Gary Ash: Nice piece of work!

Note to Mr. Biggs: You should do it! It reminds me of the Barris "Dream Truck".
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/dreamtruck.jpg


[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

Roscomacaw
10-15-2006, 05:17 PM
Yeah Bob, I'm working to make the tailgate hydraulically assited so that I can control it from the cab. My calculations indicate that if I bring the tailgate to the up elevator stance at about 60MPH, the front wheels should leave the ground. I'll put Bonneville smoothie wheelcovers on the front wheels so they'll act as rudders once the rubber leaves the road![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-15-2006, 05:17 PM
Yeah Bob, I'm working to make the tailgate hydraulically assited so that I can control it from the cab. My calculations indicate that if I bring the tailgate to the up elevator stance at about 60MPH, the front wheels should leave the ground. I'll put Bonneville smoothie wheelcovers on the front wheels so they'll act as rudders once the rubber leaves the road![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

mbstude
10-15-2006, 06:40 PM
You're too smart for your own good Studebob!!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-15-2006, 06:40 PM
You're too smart for your own good Studebob!!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-15-2006, 06:53 PM
Sorry to get off topic, but Mr. Biggs, do you have the videos on your computer? Or... [?]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-15-2006, 06:53 PM
Sorry to get off topic, but Mr. Biggs, do you have the videos on your computer? Or... [?]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

2R5
10-15-2006, 06:54 PM
Bob , you ever figure out how to post any of those videos you took at the drags ? sure would be nice to view :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/smallchamp.jpg HOME of THE FRIED GREEN TOMATO

2R5
10-15-2006, 06:54 PM
Bob , you ever figure out how to post any of those videos you took at the drags ? sure would be nice to view :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/smallchamp.jpg HOME of THE FRIED GREEN TOMATO

Roscomacaw
10-15-2006, 06:59 PM
No Bob, I haven't even tried to yet. I would love to share them. Mine were shot from higher in the stands than the one's Frank's wife took. It's a bit different perspective - literally.[8D]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-15-2006, 06:59 PM
No Bob, I haven't even tried to yet. I would love to share them. Mine were shot from higher in the stands than the one's Frank's wife took. It's a bit different perspective - literally.[8D]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

mbstude
10-15-2006, 07:01 PM
Hey Biggs, you're not alone! This pic is of Jeff Rice's CE before he took it all apart (the first time, lol) and redone it 'his way'. The end result is much better now. (And soon to be better, it's getting paint now!)

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/FinIdeab.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-15-2006, 07:01 PM
Hey Biggs, you're not alone! This pic is of Jeff Rice's CE before he took it all apart (the first time, lol) and redone it 'his way'. The end result is much better now. (And soon to be better, it's getting paint now!)

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/FinIdeab.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg