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Dick Steinkamp
10-10-2006, 09:32 PM
Sweet!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Lark-Cruiser-1963-SUPERLARK-R-2-4-speed-only-one-in-the-world_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQihZ010QQitemZ200035955259QQrdZ1

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JDP
10-10-2006, 10:19 PM
The upper radiator hose clamp is wrong and it needs a Willard battery, but I could live with it.:) (stunning car)

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63 GT Hawk
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63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-10-2006, 10:19 PM
The upper radiator hose clamp is wrong and it needs a Willard battery, but I could live with it.:) (stunning car)

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63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

Dick Steinkamp
10-10-2006, 10:33 PM
Here's the source for the G24W Willard battery...

http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/

http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/_borders/G24w.gif





http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-10-2006, 10:33 PM
Here's the source for the G24W Willard battery...

http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/

http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/_borders/G24w.gif





http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

arkiejazz
10-10-2006, 11:17 PM
Is that Nels Bove's car?

steve blake
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arkiejazz
10-10-2006, 11:17 PM
Is that Nels Bove's car?

steve blake
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mbstude
10-11-2006, 07:11 AM
WOW!!! Now THAT is one sweet little Cruiser! [:p][:p][:p]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-11-2006, 07:11 AM
WOW!!! Now THAT is one sweet little Cruiser! [:p][:p][:p]

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Transtar56
10-11-2006, 09:00 AM
His feedbacks nothing to brag about, but it sure looks like a great car.
Why would anyone order a car like that? I mean,with four doors?
Or would Studebaker have built it for stock?

Transtar56
10-11-2006, 09:00 AM
His feedbacks nothing to brag about, but it sure looks like a great car.
Why would anyone order a car like that? I mean,with four doors?
Or would Studebaker have built it for stock?

studeclunker
10-11-2006, 09:10 AM
Studebaker was like BurgerKing. 'Special orders don't upset us...'

If I was a buyer for this, I might want to see the build sheet. Then again, with that nice looking of a setup, I might not care.[8D]

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
10-11-2006, 09:10 AM
Studebaker was like BurgerKing. 'Special orders don't upset us...'

If I was a buyer for this, I might want to see the build sheet. Then again, with that nice looking of a setup, I might not care.[8D]

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

JDP
10-11-2006, 09:37 AM
I actually bought some parts off a R2/4 speed Cruiser from a local dealer back in the 80's. The dealer's owner had ordered it for himself, gave it to his grandson and the kid totaled it.

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63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-11-2006, 09:37 AM
I actually bought some parts off a R2/4 speed Cruiser from a local dealer back in the 80's. The dealer's owner had ordered it for himself, gave it to his grandson and the kid totaled it.

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63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

tstclr
10-11-2006, 11:18 AM
Ray Martin from Sparta Ontario owned this car.It's legit. He sold it last year to this fellow. It's a sweet Cruiser. There is a picture of Ray next to the car at the Pure Stock drages in a past TW


Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
10-11-2006, 11:18 AM
Ray Martin from Sparta Ontario owned this car.It's legit. He sold it last year to this fellow. It's a sweet Cruiser. There is a picture of Ray next to the car at the Pure Stock drages in a past TW


Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

skyway
10-11-2006, 11:39 AM
My R-1 engine came out of an apparently factory Criuser. Can't remember which transmission tho.

skyway
10-11-2006, 11:39 AM
My R-1 engine came out of an apparently factory Criuser. Can't remember which transmission tho.

Bill Pressler
10-11-2006, 04:52 PM
JP, you notice the underhood stuff, which I know almost nothing about, but I do notice some of the interior/exterior stuff. That car is nothing short of stunning--I remember seeing it at South Bend '02--all I would do is try to find whitewalls a little narrower as original, and a red and white steering wheel instead of the color that's in the car (apparently replaced at some point). BUT...although I like '64 two-doors the best of all Larks, I like '63 four-doors the best of all four-door Larks...that rear door and glass reminds me of a '75 Seville or '77 Caprice Classic (two of my favorite '70's cars).

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
10-11-2006, 04:52 PM
JP, you notice the underhood stuff, which I know almost nothing about, but I do notice some of the interior/exterior stuff. That car is nothing short of stunning--I remember seeing it at South Bend '02--all I would do is try to find whitewalls a little narrower as original, and a red and white steering wheel instead of the color that's in the car (apparently replaced at some point). BUT...although I like '64 two-doors the best of all Larks, I like '63 four-doors the best of all four-door Larks...that rear door and glass reminds me of a '75 Seville or '77 Caprice Classic (two of my favorite '70's cars).

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Studedude1961
10-11-2006, 05:33 PM
"Danger Will Robinson" feedback but the car sure looks nice. An on-site visit would be a must with 78% feedback and do make sure all papers are in order (like seller actually OWNS the car).

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
10-11-2006, 05:33 PM
"Danger Will Robinson" feedback but the car sure looks nice. An on-site visit would be a must with 78% feedback and do make sure all papers are in order (like seller actually OWNS the car).

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

GTtim
10-11-2006, 05:51 PM
With all of the obvious pains taken to do things right, why did they put the sticker on the super in the wrong place, duhhh?

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

GTtim
10-11-2006, 05:51 PM
With all of the obvious pains taken to do things right, why did they put the sticker on the super in the wrong place, duhhh?

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

Bill Pressler
10-11-2006, 06:00 PM
Tim K, I didn't notice that, but I've mentioned this before...a huge pet peeve of mine is people who do excellent paint and body work, then are too lazy to check where the nameplate or emblem goes! A couple SDC friends of mine say I'm being ridiculous, but on ebay a month or so ago was a sharp green R2 Daytona convertible, with the "Avanti Supercharged" emblem a good three or four inches too high. I mean, it had off-white wheels, excellent original wheelcovers, authentic-looking green paint...and holes drilled in good front fenders, way off spec!

Sheesh!

I'm done now.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH

Bill Pressler
10-11-2006, 06:00 PM
Tim K, I didn't notice that, but I've mentioned this before...a huge pet peeve of mine is people who do excellent paint and body work, then are too lazy to check where the nameplate or emblem goes! A couple SDC friends of mine say I'm being ridiculous, but on ebay a month or so ago was a sharp green R2 Daytona convertible, with the "Avanti Supercharged" emblem a good three or four inches too high. I mean, it had off-white wheels, excellent original wheelcovers, authentic-looking green paint...and holes drilled in good front fenders, way off spec!

Sheesh!

I'm done now.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH

JDP
10-11-2006, 06:17 PM
It is a silly error since the decal was used to cover the hole in the casting.

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63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-11-2006, 06:17 PM
It is a silly error since the decal was used to cover the hole in the casting.

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63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

2R5
10-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Can't figure out why Ray sold this car and now this guy is selling it after only owning it less then 6 months. The car probably should be in the museum. ( just my thought);)

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2R5
10-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Can't figure out why Ray sold this car and now this guy is selling it after only owning it less then 6 months. The car probably should be in the museum. ( just my thought);)

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GTtim
10-11-2006, 09:23 PM
This appears to be a really nice car, very clean looking underneath, etc. I like the color also. Did anyone else notice that it doesn't have power (or disc) brakes or steering? Some people chose odd options.

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

GTtim
10-11-2006, 09:23 PM
This appears to be a really nice car, very clean looking underneath, etc. I like the color also. Did anyone else notice that it doesn't have power (or disc) brakes or steering? Some people chose odd options.

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

54-61-62
10-11-2006, 10:58 PM
Hate to be the devil's advocate[}:)], but the seller says "one...of the 13 1963 Lark Cruisers" in his ebay listing. According to George Krem's article in the sept 1988 issue of TW, there were 26 R2 1963 cruisers made.....

Is this guy including every option to get his number of 13 made, or is he mistaken?

Kent

54-61-62
10-11-2006, 10:58 PM
Hate to be the devil's advocate[}:)], but the seller says "one...of the 13 1963 Lark Cruisers" in his ebay listing. According to George Krem's article in the sept 1988 issue of TW, there were 26 R2 1963 cruisers made.....

Is this guy including every option to get his number of 13 made, or is he mistaken?

Kent

JDP
10-11-2006, 11:30 PM
" 13 1963 Lark Cruisers (5 with bucket seats) built at the factory with supercharged avanti engines AND "4 speed trannies"

The rest were automatics.

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63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-11-2006, 11:30 PM
" 13 1963 Lark Cruisers (5 with bucket seats) built at the factory with supercharged avanti engines AND "4 speed trannies"

The rest were automatics.

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63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

TOMMO
10-12-2006, 12:48 PM
Thanks for clearing that up John, its nice to see people actually pay attention to what they read. And to 2R5; although its too late for you to beat on this gorgeous car , why dont YOU buy it and donate it to a museum? WTF

TOMMO
10-12-2006, 12:48 PM
Thanks for clearing that up John, its nice to see people actually pay attention to what they read. And to 2R5; although its too late for you to beat on this gorgeous car , why dont YOU buy it and donate it to a museum? WTF

StudeDave57
10-12-2006, 05:48 PM
If only it was a '64...


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-12-2006, 05:48 PM
If only it was a '64...


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

2R5
10-12-2006, 06:01 PM
Wish I could afford to do that ( I know what Ray sold it for ;))....at least beat it up ;)

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2R5
10-12-2006, 06:01 PM
Wish I could afford to do that ( I know what Ray sold it for ;))....at least beat it up ;)

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bams50
10-14-2006, 06:29 AM
Boy, this is a car I'd love to have...

What's it worth? If this comes up for sale a year from now, I'd be a serious suitor....

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
10-14-2006, 06:29 AM
Boy, this is a car I'd love to have...

What's it worth? If this comes up for sale a year from now, I'd be a serious suitor....

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

JDP
10-14-2006, 09:10 AM
quote:What's it worth? If this comes up for sale a year from now, I'd be a serious suitor....


In the 20-25K range, based on my sale of a R2/4speed Daytona HT for 25K last year. If anything, his car is nicer, but it's a 4 door.

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64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-14-2006, 09:10 AM
quote:What's it worth? If this comes up for sale a year from now, I'd be a serious suitor....


In the 20-25K range, based on my sale of a R2/4speed Daytona HT for 25K last year. If anything, his car is nicer, but it's a 4 door.

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64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

StudeDave57
10-14-2006, 09:22 AM
"In the 20-25K range, based on my sale of a R2/4speed Daytona HT for 25K last year. If anything, his car is nicer, but it's a 4 door." :( [V]

And it's the only KNOWN SURVIVOR... [:0] [^] :) ;)


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-14-2006, 09:22 AM
"In the 20-25K range, based on my sale of a R2/4speed Daytona HT for 25K last year. If anything, his car is nicer, but it's a 4 door." :( [V]

And it's the only KNOWN SURVIVOR... [:0] [^] :) ;)


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

bams50
10-14-2006, 10:06 AM
4 door, R2, 4 speed Lark- love the whole package, esp. the colors! [:p] I wouldn't be afraid to pay that kind of money- just don't dare to for a year or so...

Thanks for the reply, John; when I get ready I'll be watching what you've got- or pestering you- and all the SDCers- for this or one like it! ;):D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
10-14-2006, 10:06 AM
4 door, R2, 4 speed Lark- love the whole package, esp. the colors! [:p] I wouldn't be afraid to pay that kind of money- just don't dare to for a year or so...

Thanks for the reply, John; when I get ready I'll be watching what you've got- or pestering you- and all the SDCers- for this or one like it! ;):D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

mbstude
10-15-2006, 06:55 PM
Well, looks as though it didn't hit reserve. I just cab't believe it didn't hit even $20k! IF I had that much money to spend, this would be THE car I'd buy! THE ULTIMATE SLEEPER!
I'd fo-shur give an arm and a leg (well, shifting that 4 speed'd be a little bit challenging...) for this beauty. One day!!!


Also, the seller says this. When is the last time you saw a 4 speed with a factory HILLHOLDER?

Wellsir, that would be just today! That ole '51 2R16 dump truck I owned has a 4 speed and factory hillholder. I suppose he meant a T10 though. :D

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mbstude
10-15-2006, 06:55 PM
Well, looks as though it didn't hit reserve. I just cab't believe it didn't hit even $20k! IF I had that much money to spend, this would be THE car I'd buy! THE ULTIMATE SLEEPER!
I'd fo-shur give an arm and a leg (well, shifting that 4 speed'd be a little bit challenging...) for this beauty. One day!!!


Also, the seller says this. When is the last time you saw a 4 speed with a factory HILLHOLDER?

Wellsir, that would be just today! That ole '51 2R16 dump truck I owned has a 4 speed and factory hillholder. I suppose he meant a T10 though. :D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

BobPalma
10-15-2006, 07:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

4 door, R2, 4 speed Lark- love the whole package, esp. the colors! [:p]



:) Be careful using the word "package" about that car, Bob. Believe it or not, it is not a full high-performance package Cruiser because, oddity of oddities, it was built without Twin Traction!

That's why Ray Martin was lighting up one tire at Stanton with the car a couple years ago, and was unable to get decent times for an R2/4-speed Lark, even though the car ran well otherwise. ;)

You're right, though; it sure is a nice car. :D BP

BobPalma
10-15-2006, 07:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

4 door, R2, 4 speed Lark- love the whole package, esp. the colors! [:p]



:) Be careful using the word "package" about that car, Bob. Believe it or not, it is not a full high-performance package Cruiser because, oddity of oddities, it was built without Twin Traction!

That's why Ray Martin was lighting up one tire at Stanton with the car a couple years ago, and was unable to get decent times for an R2/4-speed Lark, even though the car ran well otherwise. ;)

You're right, though; it sure is a nice car. :D BP

mbstude
10-15-2006, 07:10 PM
quote: Be careful using the word "package" about that car, Bob. Believe it or not, it is not a full high-performance package Cruiser because, oddity of oddities, it was built without Twin Traction!

That's why Ray Martin was lighting up one tire at Stanton with the car a couple years ago, and was unable to get decent times for an R2/4-speed Lark, even though the car ran well otherwise.

I wonder why the buyer didn't opt fot TT. [?] Quite unusual! Ordering a four door with a supercharger and a T10 but no TT rear.

But, that could be fixed relatively easily. :D;)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-15-2006, 07:10 PM
quote: Be careful using the word "package" about that car, Bob. Believe it or not, it is not a full high-performance package Cruiser because, oddity of oddities, it was built without Twin Traction!

That's why Ray Martin was lighting up one tire at Stanton with the car a couple years ago, and was unable to get decent times for an R2/4-speed Lark, even though the car ran well otherwise.

I wonder why the buyer didn't opt fot TT. [?] Quite unusual! Ordering a four door with a supercharger and a T10 but no TT rear.

But, that could be fixed relatively easily. :D;)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

bams50
10-15-2006, 08:40 PM
Welllll... I didn't mean package as in factory package; wouldn't know about that anyway [:I]

I meant package as in combination of attributes.

This is what I love about the Club and forum; great bunch of folks looking out for us ignorant Stude lovers! Believe me, when I get ready to spend that kind of money, this is the FIRST place I'll come for guidance!!

Thinking about it, you all are a BIG reason why I got so hooked on Studes specifically [^]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
10-15-2006, 08:40 PM
Welllll... I didn't mean package as in factory package; wouldn't know about that anyway [:I]

I meant package as in combination of attributes.

This is what I love about the Club and forum; great bunch of folks looking out for us ignorant Stude lovers! Believe me, when I get ready to spend that kind of money, this is the FIRST place I'll come for guidance!!

Thinking about it, you all are a BIG reason why I got so hooked on Studes specifically [^]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

mbstude
10-15-2006, 08:43 PM
quote:Thinking about it, you all are a BIG reason why I got so hooked on Studes specifically


This place is rather influential and addicting isn't it? ;)

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mbstude
10-15-2006, 08:43 PM
quote:Thinking about it, you all are a BIG reason why I got so hooked on Studes specifically


This place is rather influential and addicting isn't it? ;)

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StudeDave57
10-16-2006, 12:46 AM
[:0] It didn't sell~ 'reserve not met'~ imagine that!!!
I'm sure we'll see it again... ;)

I STILL wish it was a '64, BTW :( [V]


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-16-2006, 12:46 AM
[:0] It didn't sell~ 'reserve not met'~ imagine that!!!
I'm sure we'll see it again... ;)

I STILL wish it was a '64, BTW :( [V]


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

JDP
10-16-2006, 01:18 PM
I guess that means the extra two doors reduced the value by about 30% at least over my R2 hardtop. Actually, maybe more since the Cruiser is nicer and mine sold 2 years ago for over 25K.

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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-16-2006, 01:18 PM
I guess that means the extra two doors reduced the value by about 30% at least over my R2 hardtop. Actually, maybe more since the Cruiser is nicer and mine sold 2 years ago for over 25K.

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Studebaker News Group
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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
52 Starliner
51 Commander

studegary
10-16-2006, 02:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I guess that means the extra two doors reduced the value by about 30% at least over my R2 hardtop. Actually, maybe more since the Cruiser is nicer and mine sold 2 years ago for over 25K.





I normally figure 50% less, with all other things being equal (four door sedan vs. two door hardtop). I know that they will both get you there and some prefer the convenience of four doors, but I am strictly referring to the collector car marketplace and the value placed on different body styles.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
10-16-2006, 02:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I guess that means the extra two doors reduced the value by about 30% at least over my R2 hardtop. Actually, maybe more since the Cruiser is nicer and mine sold 2 years ago for over 25K.





I normally figure 50% less, with all other things being equal (four door sedan vs. two door hardtop). I know that they will both get you there and some prefer the convenience of four doors, but I am strictly referring to the collector car marketplace and the value placed on different body styles.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studelark
10-16-2006, 04:45 PM
Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}).

In those days of the '50-60's, people were under a different set of standards and needs then we are today. Remember, Studebaker pioneered the 'Twin-Traction' (their name) long before other car manufacturers. The 'general public' really was not attuned to tracion devices. Yes, the hot rodders understood, but any Joe Blow who wanted a little fire under his 4 door could have cared less about another costly option. I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set.

I recall that as a teenager, I believed automatic transmissions and the new air conditioned monsters in the trucks or under the hoods were for sissies. I never dreamed of buying a new car with automatic, a/c, power this and that. Ridiculous!!!

I have been a student of the American car since 1949 when a cousin taught me the difference between and '47 Chevy and a '48 Chevy. The one thing that stands out in my mind about Studebakers versus the other manufacturers over the years, is the wreid combinatins that Studebaker would build for a customer. Everyone has has heard of the two Champ pickups built on special order with R-2 engines and four speed tranmissions. Do you think the oval boys or the IH fellows, or even Mr. GMC would do something as that. No way!! I have read through dozens of Studebaker production orders and am always amazed at the combinations of options and standard equipment that were built in light of today's ideas.

Hope this sheds a measure of light on the question raised by Matthew. Peace, Frank

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

'60 Lark Regal VI 4 dr.
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
a lot of parts' vehicles

studelark
10-16-2006, 04:45 PM
Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}).

In those days of the '50-60's, people were under a different set of standards and needs then we are today. Remember, Studebaker pioneered the 'Twin-Traction' (their name) long before other car manufacturers. The 'general public' really was not attuned to tracion devices. Yes, the hot rodders understood, but any Joe Blow who wanted a little fire under his 4 door could have cared less about another costly option. I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set.

I recall that as a teenager, I believed automatic transmissions and the new air conditioned monsters in the trucks or under the hoods were for sissies. I never dreamed of buying a new car with automatic, a/c, power this and that. Ridiculous!!!

I have been a student of the American car since 1949 when a cousin taught me the difference between and '47 Chevy and a '48 Chevy. The one thing that stands out in my mind about Studebakers versus the other manufacturers over the years, is the wreid combinatins that Studebaker would build for a customer. Everyone has has heard of the two Champ pickups built on special order with R-2 engines and four speed tranmissions. Do you think the oval boys or the IH fellows, or even Mr. GMC would do something as that. No way!! I have read through dozens of Studebaker production orders and am always amazed at the combinations of options and standard equipment that were built in light of today's ideas.

Hope this sheds a measure of light on the question raised by Matthew. Peace, Frank

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

'60 Lark Regal VI 4 dr.
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
a lot of parts' vehicles

62champ
10-16-2006, 07:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}).

In those days of the '50-60's, people were under a different set of standards and needs then we are today. Remember, Studebaker pioneered the 'Twin-Traction' (their name) long before other car manufacturers. The 'general public' really was not attuned to tracion devices. Yes, the hot rodders understood, but any Joe Blow who wanted a little fire under his 4 door could have cared less about another costly option. I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

'60 Lark Regal VI 4 dr.
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
a lot of parts' vehicles


My uncle bought a 62 Hawk off a dentist or doctor back in 1965. It had the T-10, and TT - but not because he was not wanting one wheel spinning on the street, because the original owner liked to deer hunt. Evidently, he was not too keen about having to walk over and get the formerly living animal. Uncle said there was a quite a bit of dried blood in the trunk. At least he did not sling them over the fenders...


1960 Lark VI - finally turned 50k in August of 2006

62champ
10-16-2006, 07:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}).

In those days of the '50-60's, people were under a different set of standards and needs then we are today. Remember, Studebaker pioneered the 'Twin-Traction' (their name) long before other car manufacturers. The 'general public' really was not attuned to tracion devices. Yes, the hot rodders understood, but any Joe Blow who wanted a little fire under his 4 door could have cared less about another costly option. I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

'60 Lark Regal VI 4 dr.
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
a lot of parts' vehicles


My uncle bought a 62 Hawk off a dentist or doctor back in 1965. It had the T-10, and TT - but not because he was not wanting one wheel spinning on the street, because the original owner liked to deer hunt. Evidently, he was not too keen about having to walk over and get the formerly living animal. Uncle said there was a quite a bit of dried blood in the trunk. At least he did not sling them over the fenders...


1960 Lark VI - finally turned 50k in August of 2006

Thomas63R2
10-16-2006, 09:46 PM
Matthew, my '63 Avanti was not ordered with TT - which surprises a lot of people. Let's see; R-2, 4 speed, 3.73 gears, all the power goodies windows too, but no TT! I have even had people tell me that all R-2 4 speed Avantis had TT. Too bad for those people that I have the original window sticker, dealer and factory paperwork that do not list TT for my car. I also checked the differential out to make sure that it wasn't a stealth option or some such nonsense, it definitely is a peg legger!

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed with interesting plans

Thomas63R2
10-16-2006, 09:46 PM
Matthew, my '63 Avanti was not ordered with TT - which surprises a lot of people. Let's see; R-2, 4 speed, 3.73 gears, all the power goodies windows too, but no TT! I have even had people tell me that all R-2 4 speed Avantis had TT. Too bad for those people that I have the original window sticker, dealer and factory paperwork that do not list TT for my car. I also checked the differential out to make sure that it wasn't a stealth option or some such nonsense, it definitely is a peg legger!

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed with interesting plans

showbizkid
10-17-2006, 09:27 AM
And yet my Lark Standard, a stripper by any definition, DOES have a 259 and TT! Go figure!


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
10-17-2006, 09:27 AM
And yet my Lark Standard, a stripper by any definition, DOES have a 259 and TT! Go figure!


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

Scott
10-17-2006, 09:48 AM
Studelark, I've always been dissapointed with major brand car manufacturers for just the point you bring up. Everything comes in packages these days. On my 2001 Mazda tribute if you wanted ONE option, you have be willing to pay for a host of unrelated options. It goes something like if you want a luggage rack, then you're talking about X-package. This means you must also buy the special alloy wheels, 6 CD disc changer, etc. I don't remember if that's exactly the grouping, but you get the idea. You CAN'T get just what you want. You have to do it their way or no way.

Heck, it seems you have to go through great pains just to get a car these days without some dealer's sticker or plaque plastered to the back of it. You rarely ever saw a Studebaker like that (or probably many other brands, too).

By the way, I love the idea of a Cruiser with those options. Why not let the whole family enjoy? It COULD also be that in the dim days of the early sixties there were people that actually bought a car with certain options just to make it different - and incidently more likely to be resold at a better price later- than the typical offering.

Scott
10-17-2006, 09:48 AM
Studelark, I've always been dissapointed with major brand car manufacturers for just the point you bring up. Everything comes in packages these days. On my 2001 Mazda tribute if you wanted ONE option, you have be willing to pay for a host of unrelated options. It goes something like if you want a luggage rack, then you're talking about X-package. This means you must also buy the special alloy wheels, 6 CD disc changer, etc. I don't remember if that's exactly the grouping, but you get the idea. You CAN'T get just what you want. You have to do it their way or no way.

Heck, it seems you have to go through great pains just to get a car these days without some dealer's sticker or plaque plastered to the back of it. You rarely ever saw a Studebaker like that (or probably many other brands, too).

By the way, I love the idea of a Cruiser with those options. Why not let the whole family enjoy? It COULD also be that in the dim days of the early sixties there were people that actually bought a car with certain options just to make it different - and incidently more likely to be resold at a better price later- than the typical offering.

klifton1
10-17-2006, 09:51 AM
I think thats why some of us build Hot Rods or Customs. To get it our way.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

klifton1
10-17-2006, 09:51 AM
I think thats why some of us build Hot Rods or Customs. To get it our way.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

53k
10-17-2006, 01:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}). ...
I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set....
... The one thing that stands out in my mind about Studebakers versus the other manufacturers over the years, is the wreid combinatins that Studebaker would build for a customer. Everyone has has heard of the two Champ pickups built on special order with R-2 engines and four speed tranmissions. Do you think the oval boys or the IH fellows, or even Mr. GMC would do something as that. No way!! I have read through dozens of Studebaker production orders and am always amazed at the combinations of options and standard equipment that were built in light of today's ideas. ...

When I ordered my '64 Wagonaire in '63 I specified TT, but no power steering (big mistake) because my '61 Cruiser didn't need power steering.
When I was dickering with the Anderson brothers of Anderson Motors in Garnett, Kansas, they told me they could walk into the Studebaker Corporation President's office and order whatever they wanted. It didn't matter whether it was in the options list or not (they had been family dealers since the wagon days). Then there is the story (unconfirmed, buy interesting) of Walter Cronkrite wanting a '64 Cruiser, but wouldn't buy one without power windows, so he got power windows.

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
10-17-2006, 01:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}). ...
I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set....
... The one thing that stands out in my mind about Studebakers versus the other manufacturers over the years, is the wreid combinatins that Studebaker would build for a customer. Everyone has has heard of the two Champ pickups built on special order with R-2 engines and four speed tranmissions. Do you think the oval boys or the IH fellows, or even Mr. GMC would do something as that. No way!! I have read through dozens of Studebaker production orders and am always amazed at the combinations of options and standard equipment that were built in light of today's ideas. ...

When I ordered my '64 Wagonaire in '63 I specified TT, but no power steering (big mistake) because my '61 Cruiser didn't need power steering.
When I was dickering with the Anderson brothers of Anderson Motors in Garnett, Kansas, they told me they could walk into the Studebaker Corporation President's office and order whatever they wanted. It didn't matter whether it was in the options list or not (they had been family dealers since the wagon days). Then there is the story (unconfirmed, buy interesting) of Walter Cronkrite wanting a '64 Cruiser, but wouldn't buy one without power windows, so he got power windows.

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
10-17-2006, 01:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Thomas63R2

Matthew, my '63 Avanti was not ordered with TT - which surprises a lot of people. Let's see; R-2, 4 speed, 3.73 gears, all the power goodies windows too, but no TT! I have even had people tell me that all R-2 4 speed Avantis had TT. Too bad for those people that I have the original window sticker, dealer and factory paperwork that do not list TT for my car. I also checked the differential out to make sure that it wasn't a stealth option or some such nonsense, it definitely is a peg legger!

I have owned two R-2 Avantis, a '63 with TT and a '64 without. It was on the option lsit for the '63. I also owned a '62 Lark Regal 6-cylinder convertible with TT. I think (not certain) that the only Studebaker that included TT as standard equipment were the Zip Vans.

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
10-17-2006, 01:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Thomas63R2

Matthew, my '63 Avanti was not ordered with TT - which surprises a lot of people. Let's see; R-2, 4 speed, 3.73 gears, all the power goodies windows too, but no TT! I have even had people tell me that all R-2 4 speed Avantis had TT. Too bad for those people that I have the original window sticker, dealer and factory paperwork that do not list TT for my car. I also checked the differential out to make sure that it wasn't a stealth option or some such nonsense, it definitely is a peg legger!

I have owned two R-2 Avantis, a '63 with TT and a '64 without. It was on the option lsit for the '63. I also owned a '62 Lark Regal 6-cylinder convertible with TT. I think (not certain) that the only Studebaker that included TT as standard equipment were the Zip Vans.

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

62champ
10-17-2006, 01:26 PM
quote:
When I ordered my '64 Wagonaire in '63 I specified TT, but no power steering (big mistake) because my '61 Cruiser didn't need power steering.
When I was dickering with the Anderson brothers of Anderson Motors in Garnett, Kansas, they told me they could walk into the Studebaker Corporation President's office and order whatever they wanted. It didn't matter whether it was in the options list or not (they had been family dealers since the wagon days). Then there is the story (unconfirmed, buy interesting) of Walter Cronkrite wanting a '64 Cruiser, but wouldn't buy one without power windows, so he got power windows.


I spoke with a Studebaker dealer who ordered a 1952 1 1/2 ton cab and chassis to make a tow truck. The factory had some problems with installing the 232 V8 so they ordered a crate motor to be sent with the truck. I think he said it took the shop guys a good day to get the motor in and the truck ready for the wrecker body.

1960 Lark VI - finally turned 50k in August of 2006

62champ
10-17-2006, 01:26 PM
quote:
When I ordered my '64 Wagonaire in '63 I specified TT, but no power steering (big mistake) because my '61 Cruiser didn't need power steering.
When I was dickering with the Anderson brothers of Anderson Motors in Garnett, Kansas, they told me they could walk into the Studebaker Corporation President's office and order whatever they wanted. It didn't matter whether it was in the options list or not (they had been family dealers since the wagon days). Then there is the story (unconfirmed, buy interesting) of Walter Cronkrite wanting a '64 Cruiser, but wouldn't buy one without power windows, so he got power windows.


I spoke with a Studebaker dealer who ordered a 1952 1 1/2 ton cab and chassis to make a tow truck. The factory had some problems with installing the 232 V8 so they ordered a crate motor to be sent with the truck. I think he said it took the shop guys a good day to get the motor in and the truck ready for the wrecker body.

1960 Lark VI - finally turned 50k in August of 2006

bams50
10-17-2006, 01:29 PM
I WANT THIS CAR [:p]

I'm going to try and keep track of it till next year or so, if possible... and then..........

It'd be great to pull up to a fart-can foreign clunker, or my buddy's 79 Vette in a stodgy old Stude, give 'em the nod, and promptly show them the taillights!! [8D]

Of course, being so nice- and RARE- I'd probably be afraid to touch it off...

Still, I'll worry about that when it's in my garage.......;):D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
10-17-2006, 01:29 PM
I WANT THIS CAR [:p]

I'm going to try and keep track of it till next year or so, if possible... and then..........

It'd be great to pull up to a fart-can foreign clunker, or my buddy's 79 Vette in a stodgy old Stude, give 'em the nod, and promptly show them the taillights!! [8D]

Of course, being so nice- and RARE- I'd probably be afraid to touch it off...

Still, I'll worry about that when it's in my garage.......;):D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

studegary
10-17-2006, 08:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}).

In those days of the '50-60's, people were under a different set of standards and needs then we are today. Remember, Studebaker pioneered the 'Twin-Traction' (their name) long before other car manufacturers. The 'general public' really was not attuned to tracion devices. Yes, the hot rodders understood, but any Joe Blow who wanted a little fire under his 4 door could have cared less about another costly option. I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set.

I recall that as a teenager, I believed automatic transmissions and the new air conditioned monsters in the trucks or under the hoods were for sissies. I never dreamed of buying a new car with automatic, a/c, power this and that. Ridiculous!!!

I have been a student of the American car since 1949 when a cousin taught me the difference between and '47 Chevy and a '48 Chevy. The one thing that stands out in my mind about Studebakers versus the other manufacturers over the years, is the wreid combinatins that Studebaker would build for a customer. Everyone has has heard of the two Champ pickups built on special order with R-2 engines and four speed tranmissions. Do you think the oval boys or the IH fellows, or even Mr. GMC would do something as that. No way!! I have read through dozens of Studebaker production orders and am always amazed at the combinations of options and standard equipment that were built in light of today's ideas.

Hope this sheds a measure of light on the question raised by Matthew. Peace, Frank

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

'60 Lark Regal VI 4 dr.
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
a lot of parts' vehicles


Frank - Since we are about the same age, I think that it is fair that I respond to some of your post. Whether or not someone ordered a limited slip differential in the mid-'60s depended as much, or maybe more so, on the climate/area of the country as horsepower. I purchased slightly used cars in the early '60s with Twin Traction and new cars in 1964, 1965 and 1966, all with limited slip differentials. I was using my first/prime car for work in those days and I lived in the Mid-Hudson Valley of New York State. The extra traction of a limited slip differential was a distinct benefit for about one-third of the year. If I lived in the Southwest, for example, I probably wouldn't have given Twin Traction a thought. And yes, my '65 Sport Fury with the hipo 383 did not have power steering, but it did have four speed with a Hurst shifter from the factory. I didn't keep it long - nine months and 27K miles.

Yes, I remember the difference between '47 and '48 Chevrolets. It was the T shaped overlay at the center of the grille.

In more recent years (than the '60s), US manufacturers would deviate some on ordered cars if you pressured them and waited. For example, I ordered an '84 Chrysler Laser XE. The XE had a digital dash standard. I did not want a digital dash, but did want other items only available on the XE. Chrysler built three cars to my order before they got it correct, but I did finally get what I wanted (an XE with the base model's analog dash). I traded that car in on a new '87 Avanti. When I ordered my '89 Thunderbird, I almost had to fight with the dealer to get the combination that I wanted. When it came in, he thought the combination was good.

I owned several l

studegary
10-17-2006, 08:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Hey Friends; Matthew made a comment concerning the way people spec'ed their cars, especially the guy who ordered the '63 R-2 Cruiser without Twin Traction (it tickles me when people call them Positraction {a GM name}).

In those days of the '50-60's, people were under a different set of standards and needs then we are today. Remember, Studebaker pioneered the 'Twin-Traction' (their name) long before other car manufacturers. The 'general public' really was not attuned to tracion devices. Yes, the hot rodders understood, but any Joe Blow who wanted a little fire under his 4 door could have cared less about another costly option. I was 26 years old in 1963 and I doubt if I would have opted for the TT if I were buying a new car. The same comcept applies to high powered cars built in the early '60's without power steering and POWER BRAKES. Most people were used to driving cars without those (additional charges) options. There was a different mind-set.

I recall that as a teenager, I believed automatic transmissions and the new air conditioned monsters in the trucks or under the hoods were for sissies. I never dreamed of buying a new car with automatic, a/c, power this and that. Ridiculous!!!

I have been a student of the American car since 1949 when a cousin taught me the difference between and '47 Chevy and a '48 Chevy. The one thing that stands out in my mind about Studebakers versus the other manufacturers over the years, is the wreid combinatins that Studebaker would build for a customer. Everyone has has heard of the two Champ pickups built on special order with R-2 engines and four speed tranmissions. Do you think the oval boys or the IH fellows, or even Mr. GMC would do something as that. No way!! I have read through dozens of Studebaker production orders and am always amazed at the combinations of options and standard equipment that were built in light of today's ideas.

Hope this sheds a measure of light on the question raised by Matthew. Peace, Frank

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

'60 Lark Regal VI 4 dr.
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
a lot of parts' vehicles


Frank - Since we are about the same age, I think that it is fair that I respond to some of your post. Whether or not someone ordered a limited slip differential in the mid-'60s depended as much, or maybe more so, on the climate/area of the country as horsepower. I purchased slightly used cars in the early '60s with Twin Traction and new cars in 1964, 1965 and 1966, all with limited slip differentials. I was using my first/prime car for work in those days and I lived in the Mid-Hudson Valley of New York State. The extra traction of a limited slip differential was a distinct benefit for about one-third of the year. If I lived in the Southwest, for example, I probably wouldn't have given Twin Traction a thought. And yes, my '65 Sport Fury with the hipo 383 did not have power steering, but it did have four speed with a Hurst shifter from the factory. I didn't keep it long - nine months and 27K miles.

Yes, I remember the difference between '47 and '48 Chevrolets. It was the T shaped overlay at the center of the grille.

In more recent years (than the '60s), US manufacturers would deviate some on ordered cars if you pressured them and waited. For example, I ordered an '84 Chrysler Laser XE. The XE had a digital dash standard. I did not want a digital dash, but did want other items only available on the XE. Chrysler built three cars to my order before they got it correct, but I did finally get what I wanted (an XE with the base model's analog dash). I traded that car in on a new '87 Avanti. When I ordered my '89 Thunderbird, I almost had to fight with the dealer to get the combination that I wanted. When it came in, he thought the combination was good.

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