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Hawklover
10-28-2017, 10:51 AM
How is it that the York swap is now history, and yet Reedsville continues?
Are not the same economic forces in effect?

raoul5788
10-28-2017, 04:35 PM
The biggest reason I heard for York ending was the lack of support of those running it. None of us is getting any younger. Reedsville is much smaller and therefore manageable.

Skip Lackie
10-28-2017, 04:53 PM
Agree with Chip -- workload was the biggest factor. But another contributing factor was cost. The York Fairgrounds is a very popular venue for events -- most of the buildings (the two that SDC rents are among the smallest) are busy with something nearly every weekend. They are also more civilized (eg, heat, snack bar) than the much smaller Reedsville facility, and so cost a lot more to rent. I believe the last couple of York meets actually lost money. York is close to several major highways, while Reedsville is relatively more remote.

PeterHawk
10-28-2017, 07:58 PM
All reasons to support the new Studebaker Swap Meet at Dunkirk, NY. Held in Septerber and sponsored by the Kinzua Chapter.

rockne10
10-28-2017, 08:08 PM
What Skip said. In addition to the fatigue factor of those who have been managing the Keystone National Swap Meet for over four decades, the York Fairground facility rent for the weekend had reached $10,000. Unsustainable.
From a historical perspective, The Keystone National Swap at York started in a garage in Elizabethville, Pa and moved in to the Reedsville facility after two years. Then operated there until it outgrew the facility and moved to York.
The Manhattan Chapter stepped up to continue the autumn swap in Reedsville so..., Reedsville continues to be the first and original all Studebaker Swap Meet in the world.:!!::!!::!!::!!:

stupak
10-28-2017, 08:20 PM
Based on what I saw this past weekend in Reedsville, IT will not last much longer. stupak

rockne10
10-28-2017, 08:32 PM
Well, Stuart; if you don't need it...don't attend.

jclary
10-28-2017, 08:51 PM
What Skip said. In addition to the fatigue factor of those who have been managing the Keystone National Swap Meet for over four decades, the York Fairground facility rent for the weekend had reached $10,000. Unsustainable.
From a historical perspective, The Keystone National Swap at York started in a garage in Elizabethville, Pa and moved in to the Reedsville facility after two years. Then operated there until it outgrew the facility and moved to York.
The Manhattan Chapter stepped up to continue the autumn swap in Reedsville so..., Reedsville continues to be the first and original all Studebaker Swap Meet in the world.:!!::!!::!!::!!:

I have attended both meets in the past. Either one was always quite a haul for me. The interesting thing is that I always seemed to meet folks who traveled much farther than I did. I have not made it to Reedsville in many years. I have fond memories of Max Corkins place, and the hospitality.


Based on what I saw this past weekend in Reedsville, IT will not last much longer. stupak

I only hope it continues. Even if it fades, I believe venues of this sort fulfill a need. I think that, as car enthusiasts, we can accept less than palace type facilities, as long as there is a roof overhead, and nearby motels.

Key to such a gathering is sincere enthusiastic leadership. Unfortunately, such enthusiasm requires energy, and energy requires youthful health. I believe our membership has sincerity, and leadership skills. What seems to be missing is enough youthful members to sustain the energy & enthusiasm.

studegary
10-28-2017, 09:01 PM
I remember going to the original meet in the garage in Elizabethville (When was that - early 1970s?). For many years, I drove to both the Reedsville and York meets. Then I tapered off to the York meet. Recently, I haven't driven to either. The main negative that got me to stop attending was the terrible weather (snow and/or ice) that I encountered traveling on many occasions - not at the location, but traveling to and from the north.

jts359
10-28-2017, 09:24 PM
The Dunkirk meet was a nice meet ,Well attended by vendors but very few buyers , And 462 miles from home , Reedsville had fewer vendors but on Friday I think there were more buyers , and 220 miles from home , One of the problems this year with Reedsville was the lack of advertising , Even when the question was posted about it happening on this forum it took days to get a response and only after the question was posted again , I bought up the lack of attendance in other club events and here 2 more that were poorly attended, I don't know what the answer is and what could be done to fix it , I hate to say it but I think a lot of parts will headed to land fills in the next 20 years and by then who's going to know about it , Ed, 0 miles from home

rockne10
10-28-2017, 10:56 PM
One of the problems this year with Reedsville was the lack of advertising Absolutely true but, this deterred few except those newcomers who have not long been members.
Fact is: Online internet sales have taken their toll on live swapmeets.
Fact is: Internet sales venues will never replace the technical knowledge base available in a live venue.
Fact is: There are too many smiles, handshakes and friendships created or rekindled at a live swap meet to ever let the internet supplant them.

Here's the first advertising post for Reedsville 2018: The facility is booked for October 19-20, 2018. I'll be vending; and others have already reserved and paid for their vending spaces.

ed ellis
10-29-2017, 11:13 AM
I have been a vendor at Reedsville on an off for the past 25 years. This year I took a lot of sheetmetal (mostly mint used or NOS) to Reedsville and brought most of it home. Fortunately I was able to sell a lot of trim for 53/54 CKs (my speciality) which paid for the trip. Clearly I could have just stayed home and used ebay to liquidate my inventory without incurring the cost of a 350 mile round trip, hotel room etc. not to mention the labor of loading a trailer full of fenders, doors, hoods, seats,trunk lids etc.

I'm not saying I won't go back to Reedsville as I enjoy the comraderie immensely -----but I'll get a lot older before I go as a vendor....

Blue 15G
10-29-2017, 04:40 PM
I went there on Friday for the first time since 2006. It was a 160 mile trip for me; took about 4 hours. Then I stayed for an hour and a half, and drove back home again. Back home by 4:45 PM. Arrived to see Jim Bradley (Rerun) right away and we had a nice long talk. I enjoyed meeting Skip Lackie for the first time. Also spent some time talking with Dave Shrock of the Shrock Brothers. Max Corkins was there, getting around in a motorized vehicle. I first went to the Reedsville meet in 1977. I was struck this weekend by the passage of time and what it brings. Despite the thinning of vendors, there was still a big selection of things to see (and buy, if you needed them). I agree that the social aspect is as important as the parts aspect. I just hope it can continue for a while longer! It's not the same as it used to be, but what is?

jerezstude
10-29-2017, 07:29 PM
Have been vending at Reedsville for several years and always do very well there and I agree the social aspect is as important as sales. I understand the aspects of discontinuing the York meet but have always did extremely well vending and seeing many people I call friends was a major part of the show.
Jerry Kurtz

raoul5788
10-30-2017, 09:18 AM
Have been vending at Reedsville for several years and always do very well there and I agree the social aspect is as important as sales. I understand the aspects of discontinuing the York meet but have always did extremely well vending and seeing many people I call friends was a major part of the show.
Jerry Kurtz
I've been going to York for 20 years, I know, a rookie! Anyways, I've bought little in the last ten but have kept going for the friendships I have made over the years. I'm going to start attending the Dunkirk show just to keep seeing my friends!

studeguy54
10-31-2017, 07:19 AM
Skip, your comments are correct as to the reasons why York is NO MORE. Sadly, York has always be a labor of love by Keystone Region Chapter. It was started in 1972 in Elizabethville (Swab Wagon Co.), moved to Reedsville in 1974, and, when the meet outgrew Reedsville, moved to York in 1983, where it's growth exploded.

Sadly, we all grew older, Keystone Region Chapel included, and the availability of people who could help each year faltered.

Steve Grant is to be commended for picking up where KRC left off. The "new York in New York" needs support by all.

stupak
10-31-2017, 10:09 AM
Rochne10: Brad: Thanks for your 'sage' advise, "don't attend". One does not have to wonder very long why our hobby is faltering with good advise like yours. I was merely stating a fact, as I saw it, and apparently as D.F. saw it. No food/drink - shrinking vendors - shrinking customers, etc. While there, I picked up a flyer for next years Macungie show. It mentions "Special area for Studebaker parts vendors". If anyone here was at this years Macungie show, you will know that this gesture is 7 years too late. This years flea market was almost non-existent! It's time we all face reality, our hobby, collecting memrobilia, collecting cars, even the SDC is in failing health. Bad mouthing those of us that can realize the future will not help the hobby. By the way, don't forget to 'chide' D.F. for his post. He tells it like it was also. stuart

jeryst
11-02-2017, 09:27 AM
I just found out that there is no more York meet. I have been out of the hobby for a
few years, and did notice a big reduction in size of the Reedsville meet.

Now, you would think that with York gone, Reedsville should have been booming.
So why the poor attendance? Studebakers seem to be very popular and the prices
have risen quite dramatically. Have all the projects dried up? Maybe the Reedsville
meet should be rethought. Maybe it shoukd be held in warmer, more hospitable weather.
The end of October or February (York) are horrible, unpredictable times to have a swapmeet
in Pennsylvania and has kept me away many times even though I only live 90 minutes away.
I cant imagine someone planning a 3000 mile trip under those unpredictable conditions.
Maybe it should become a three day event (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) so that
people have more time to attend. Maybe there should be a car show and other events like simple
"How to" seminars. Tool vendors could be invited to participate. Maybe the Studebaker meet should
combine with one of the large swapmeets, like Carlisle, with a totally Studebaker section, and
advertised as such, in order to take advantage of economies of scale and a much wider audience.
Some people have other brands of classic vehicles, so they could get more out of their trip and we
wouldnt need to lament the lack of "youthful energy" required to hold a Studebaker only event.

I think there are a lot of things that could be done if we truely want not only to keep a Studebaker swap
meet going, but to get it to grow.

Skip Lackie
11-02-2017, 04:06 PM
Attendance had been declining for several years, but attendance at the 2017 Reedsville meet was down even more than usual because of a lack of advertising. For whatever reason, there was no ad in TW, and not even an announcement. There were several threads this past summer started by people searching for info about the Reedsville meet.

WRT to your suggestions: all good ideas, and at least some of them have been discussed here before, especially in response to the final York meet last March. There are quite a few multi-make swap meets in the general NJ-PA-MD area that probably would be pleased to add a Stude-only area. What seems to be lacking is a group of high-energy people to put the plans together.

Blue 15G
11-03-2017, 08:53 AM
Actually, the inclement weather issue has been improved by the recent change to schedule Reedsville in late October. For many years it was mid-November, or the weekend before Thanksgiving. This change makes a significant difference when driving through the mountains of Central PA.

jeryst
11-03-2017, 09:22 AM
Actually, the inclement weather issue has been improved by the recent change to schedule Reedsville in late October. For many years it was mid-November, or the weekend before Thanksgiving. This change makes a significant difference when driving through the mountains of Central PA.

Maybe. But I've lived through several Halloweens with significant snowfalls and/or
bitterly cold temperatures. October helps, but it's certainly not June. And as a person who
dislikes cold weather, I really dont understand defending swap meets in cold weather when
other options are available. Perhaps this reluctance to change is part of the problem.

stude1964
11-08-2017, 08:15 AM
I attended and vended at Reedsville this year. Yes attendance was down from prior years but it was great seeing and talking to many who were there including some of the founding members. There appears to have been a SNAFU in advertising this year. I'm looking forward to next year. Yes we can lament the loss of the York meet but we can embrace and support the Reedsville meet to its former glory. It is a beautiful drive through some of PA's finest mountains and forests and a perfect time to view the foliage. I am planning on being there next year with parts to get other Studes back on the road . I hope others will be too. I look forward to talking to the veterans and learning from their experiences as I prepare to put my '64 project back together for the next generation !
Rob in PA.

rockne10
11-08-2017, 06:24 PM
I'm with you, Rob. Quality has nothing to do with volume. ;)

TX Rebel
11-08-2017, 07:21 PM
I'm with you, Rob. Quality has nothing to do with volume. ;)
Ditto that!!
The i-net will never satisfactorily replace meets where we get to MEET each other in person. I had a very busy year traveling around the country, but had to pass on Reedsville again this time. The trip from TX would cost me a grand at the least & past experience indicates that I would sell less than a grand & spend 2 or 3 grand. If I spent a fraction of the time I would spend on the road listing on ebay, I would sell 3x more than vending at the meet.

jeryst
11-08-2017, 10:14 PM
I agree. The internet has brought some nice changes, but also ruined a lot of things.
I can shop from my sofa, but with all of the stores closing, I cant go really examine
something before I buy it. The internet is fast, sonetimes you get something in a day,
but its still not as fast as just going to the store and its a lot more hassle to return something,
and sometimes yiu get hit with shipping both ways. I think the biggest thing the
internet has ruined for me, is flea markets. You used to be able to go to a flea market
and pick up sone reall good deals, but now everyone looks up what they are selling
and then prices accordingly, so most of the deals just dont exist any more. I havent
been to a flea market in a couple years, but I used to go all the time.