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BobPalma
01-15-2008, 05:02 AM
:) Many SDC/ASC members gathered at Carlisle & Son Funeral Home in Mooresville IN last evening to attend calling for member David Neitzel. [V] After calling, several dozen went a couple blocks south to locally-famous Gray Brothers Cafeteria for supper.

Being unfamiliar with the area, Ted & Mary Ann Harbit followed Cari and I to the eatery. Ted was driving a rental Toyota Camry, necessitated by their having hit a deer with their late-model Impala while on the way to church a couple weeks ago. The Impala is being repaired at the shop managed by SDCer/Brake Guru Jim Turner.

I got out of my car and was waiting when Ted pulled in and parked next to my currently-beater Taurus. I mused as he exited the rental,

"Boy, Ted, I dunno which is sadder or more depressing; seeing our friend David's mortal remains lying in peaceful repose at the funeral home, or seeing you get out from behind the wheel of a Toyota!" :D

(BTW: The viewing and services are indeed in the very same room as was used for Tom "Snurdley" Stephany barely three years ago.)

RIP, Tom and David. [V] :) BP

bams50
01-15-2008, 05:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

"Boy, Ted, I dunno which is sadder or more depressing; seeing our friend David's mortal remains lying in peaceful repose at the funeral home, or [b]seeing you get out from behind the wheel of a Toyota!"

That's easy- Mr Neitzel had gone on to a better place, but poor Ted...........

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

bams50
01-15-2008, 05:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

"Boy, Ted, I dunno which is sadder or more depressing; seeing our friend David's mortal remains lying in peaceful repose at the funeral home, or [b]seeing you get out from behind the wheel of a Toyota!"

That's easy- Mr Neitzel had gone on to a better place, but poor Ted...........

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

PlainBrownR2
01-15-2008, 04:38 PM
Ahhh man, and that Toyota's model doesn't have their 1UZFE V8 engine in it :( [:o)]


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
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PlainBrownR2
01-15-2008, 04:38 PM
Ahhh man, and that Toyota's model doesn't have their 1UZFE V8 engine in it :( [:o)]


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

lstude
01-15-2008, 05:36 PM
I guess Ted didn't read this article that Studebaker has [u]terminated discussions</u> with Toyota! :D;)


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/StudebakerToyotaclipping1.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
01-15-2008, 05:36 PM
I guess Ted didn't read this article that Studebaker has [u]terminated discussions</u> with Toyota! :D;)


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/StudebakerToyotaclipping1.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2008, 07:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

I guess Ted didn't read this article that Studebaker has [u]terminated discussions</u> with Toyota! :D;)



IF Studebaker had gone ahead with that deal AND structured it correctly, they could now be #2 in the US.

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-toyota0104.artjan04,0,4868114.story

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2008, 07:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

I guess Ted didn't read this article that Studebaker has [u]terminated discussions</u> with Toyota! :D;)



IF Studebaker had gone ahead with that deal AND structured it correctly, they could now be #2 in the US.

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-toyota0104.artjan04,0,4868114.story

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

BobPalma
01-15-2008, 08:11 PM
:) Yeah, Dick, but Studebaker solved all their camshaft problems over 50 years ago. Had they hooked up with Toyota, they'd again have to convince everyone how quality-oriented they are while quietly fixing all the broken camshafts in their new truck V-8...not to mention trying to quietly satisfy the 3.5 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles involved in the class-action lawsuit for sludged-up engines to the point of failure, despite proper oil changes.

What goes up, must come down. Ford proved it in the 1970s, GM proved it in the 1980s, and now it's Toyota's turn. (But Toyota's fall is softer because they have most of the mainstream press pimping for them[:0], as opposed to beating them up :( every time there's a hint of a recall on anything!) [}:)] BP

BobPalma
01-15-2008, 08:11 PM
:) Yeah, Dick, but Studebaker solved all their camshaft problems over 50 years ago. Had they hooked up with Toyota, they'd again have to convince everyone how quality-oriented they are while quietly fixing all the broken camshafts in their new truck V-8...not to mention trying to quietly satisfy the 3.5 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles involved in the class-action lawsuit for sludged-up engines to the point of failure, despite proper oil changes.

What goes up, must come down. Ford proved it in the 1970s, GM proved it in the 1980s, and now it's Toyota's turn. (But Toyota's fall is softer because they have most of the mainstream press pimping for them[:0], as opposed to beating them up :( every time there's a hint of a recall on anything!) [}:)] BP

jnewkirk77
01-15-2008, 08:30 PM
Leonard ... Dick ... c'mon guys, I look at that stuff and you just KNOW that makes me wanna cry. [V] Maybe if they'd linked up, Toyota wouldn't have come out with that monstrosity they call the new Tundra. [:0]

That said, the latest Camry (which I presume is the model Ted was driving) is a very sharp-looking car. My neighbor's brother-in-law bought one, and the first time I saw it (at night), I thought it was a Lexus.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

Currently driving an '87 Ford F-150, but I dream of having a Hawk one day. Don't we all?

jnewkirk77
01-15-2008, 08:30 PM
Leonard ... Dick ... c'mon guys, I look at that stuff and you just KNOW that makes me wanna cry. [V] Maybe if they'd linked up, Toyota wouldn't have come out with that monstrosity they call the new Tundra. [:0]

That said, the latest Camry (which I presume is the model Ted was driving) is a very sharp-looking car. My neighbor's brother-in-law bought one, and the first time I saw it (at night), I thought it was a Lexus.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

Currently driving an '87 Ford F-150, but I dream of having a Hawk one day. Don't we all?

JDP
01-15-2008, 08:32 PM
Rumor has it Toyota will be number one by years end.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-15-2008, 08:32 PM
Rumor has it Toyota will be number one by years end.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

jnewkirk77
01-15-2008, 08:43 PM
I don't think it'll take that long. I got a peek at the new Venza crossover on Autoblog, and I have a gut feeling that will be another winner, especially if it is priced in the same neighborhood as the Ford Edge. Regardless, it is going to be a good thing for my hometown, because some of its body stampings and other assorted parts will be produced right here in Owensboro, KY ... even though Toyota's closest plants are 70 and 200 miles away, we have managed to snag quite a few Toyota suppliers here because of our good road and rail access. What was that old saying? "As GM goes, so goes the country?"

Much as I hate to say it, I believe one could very easily now put Toyota into that statement, and you could take it any number of ways.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

Currently driving an '87 Ford F-150, but I dream of having a Hawk one day. Don't we all?

jnewkirk77
01-15-2008, 08:43 PM
I don't think it'll take that long. I got a peek at the new Venza crossover on Autoblog, and I have a gut feeling that will be another winner, especially if it is priced in the same neighborhood as the Ford Edge. Regardless, it is going to be a good thing for my hometown, because some of its body stampings and other assorted parts will be produced right here in Owensboro, KY ... even though Toyota's closest plants are 70 and 200 miles away, we have managed to snag quite a few Toyota suppliers here because of our good road and rail access. What was that old saying? "As GM goes, so goes the country?"

Much as I hate to say it, I believe one could very easily now put Toyota into that statement, and you could take it any number of ways.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

Currently driving an '87 Ford F-150, but I dream of having a Hawk one day. Don't we all?

BobPalma
01-15-2008, 08:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Rumor has it Toyota will be number one by years end.

JDP/Maryland


:) Yep; every possibility of it, John. Think General Motors in the 1950s. Invincibility personified. ;) BP

BobPalma
01-15-2008, 08:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Rumor has it Toyota will be number one by years end.

JDP/Maryland


:) Yep; every possibility of it, John. Think General Motors in the 1950s. Invincibility personified. ;) BP

52 Ragtop
01-15-2008, 08:51 PM
BUT! When I dropped Mary Ann off to get the rental car, they told her NO DRAG RACING! I almost fell over when I heard that!! She told the rental guy, "I'll have to tell Ted" &lt;G&gt;
BTW, the Impala is in the paint booth as we speak err write

Jim

52 Ragtop
01-15-2008, 08:51 PM
BUT! When I dropped Mary Ann off to get the rental car, they told her NO DRAG RACING! I almost fell over when I heard that!! She told the rental guy, "I'll have to tell Ted" &lt;G&gt;
BTW, the Impala is in the paint booth as we speak err write

Jim

nels
01-15-2008, 09:06 PM
Yes, I think Toyota has this country eating out of their hands. They are, in my opinion, a sly/scumbag company. They had a very large (and I do mean large) recall about two years ago for a front suspension part that was failing. I believe that part was a tie rod. The way they softened the truth was to report it through the biased American press as 'a suspension part was prone to fail while parking'. darn, the American press and most that read it are dumb!!! That suspension part would also fail at 80 mph after hitting a bump in the road. The "while parking" just sounds inconsequencial.

nels
01-15-2008, 09:06 PM
Yes, I think Toyota has this country eating out of their hands. They are, in my opinion, a sly/scumbag company. They had a very large (and I do mean large) recall about two years ago for a front suspension part that was failing. I believe that part was a tie rod. The way they softened the truth was to report it through the biased American press as 'a suspension part was prone to fail while parking'. darn, the American press and most that read it are dumb!!! That suspension part would also fail at 80 mph after hitting a bump in the road. The "while parking" just sounds inconsequencial.

Jessie J.
01-15-2008, 09:32 PM
Toyota..? barf.

Jessie J.
01-15-2008, 09:32 PM
Toyota..? barf.

BobPalma
01-16-2008, 08:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/StudebakerToyotaclipping1.jpg

Leonard Shepherd


:) I note the date of July 1965 on Leonard's clipping.

In July 1965, my Dad and his brother Milton were the franchised Ford/Mercury dealers in Ottawa IL, Palma-Riverside Motors, selling Mustangs hand over fist and enjoying a decent year of it.

The Toyota road man came in one day, driving a copy of exactly what Leonard posted. Dad was up front and Uncle Milt in the back, because Dad ran the front and Uncle Milt was Service Manager. They made all major decisions together, though, and had an excellent relationship, with mutual respect for what the other one knew and was doing.

So the Toyota man came in and approached Dad about how would they like to take on this new little Japanese car? Dad was polite with the guy and went out and had a look at it.

Dad said, "Well, let me see what my brother Milton has to say," and disappeared to fetch Uncle Milt.

Now, Uncle Milt spent his WWII Navy career maintaining Packard marine engines while bobbing around in the Pacific ocean as part of The Mosquito Fleet, to frame his "orientation," shall we say, toward the little Japanese car now at the curb on Main Street in central Illinois. [}:)]

Uncle Milt came out, walked around the car, opened the drivers door and slammed it, turned to Dad, and said for all to hear, "Why would we want to handle a POS like that?" He returned to the shop and that was the end of that! (I always did like Uncle Milt...)[/i]

Required Studebaker content: Only 6 months earlier, in January 1965, Uncle Milt had cleared a heavy engine service bay in the Palma-Riverside Motors shop for his nephews (21-year old George Krem and 18-year-old yours truly) to install a new, crated R3 engine that had arrived for George's "new" 1964 Studebaker Challenger V-8 2-door. More than a generation later, our seemingly-innocuous accomplishment, piloted by the very Ted Harbit referenced in this thread's initial post, would achieve for Studebaker national muscle car fame as [i]The Plain Brown Wrapper. ;):D BP

BobPalma
01-16-2008, 08:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/StudebakerToyotaclipping1.jpg

Leonard Shepherd


:) I note the date of July 1965 on Leonard's clipping.

In July 1965, my Dad and his brother Milton were the franchised Ford/Mercury dealers in Ottawa IL, Palma-Riverside Motors, selling Mustangs hand over fist and enjoying a decent year of it.

The Toyota road man came in one day, driving a copy of exactly what Leonard posted. Dad was up front and Uncle Milt in the back, because Dad ran the front and Uncle Milt was Service Manager. They made all major decisions together, though, and had an excellent relationship, with mutual respect for what the other one knew and was doing.

So the Toyota man came in and approached Dad about how would they like to take on this new little Japanese car? Dad was polite with the guy and went out and had a look at it.

Dad said, "Well, let me see what my brother Milton has to say," and disappeared to fetch Uncle Milt.

Now, Uncle Milt spent his WWII Navy career maintaining Packard marine engines while bobbing around in the Pacific ocean as part of The Mosquito Fleet, to frame his "orientation," shall we say, toward the little Japanese car now at the curb on Main Street in central Illinois. [}:)]

Uncle Milt came out, walked around the car, opened the drivers door and slammed it, turned to Dad, and said for all to hear, "Why would we want to handle a POS like that?" He returned to the shop and that was the end of that! (I always did like Uncle Milt...)[/i]

Required Studebaker content: Only 6 months earlier, in January 1965, Uncle Milt had cleared a heavy engine service bay in the Palma-Riverside Motors shop for his nephews (21-year old George Krem and 18-year-old yours truly) to install a new, crated R3 engine that had arrived for George's "new" 1964 Studebaker Challenger V-8 2-door. More than a generation later, our seemingly-innocuous accomplishment, piloted by the very Ted Harbit referenced in this thread's initial post, would achieve for Studebaker national muscle car fame as [i]The Plain Brown Wrapper. ;):D BP