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drrotor
04-03-2017, 09:38 PM
Giddy and excited-- this has been quite a year for great barn finds for us! A few months ago we scored a '63 Daytona Convertible, a '52 Champion 2-door sedan, and a '57 Transtar 1/2 ton. All had very low mileage and had been stored 35 and 40 years. All three have now been returned to running condition, and we regularly drive the Truck and the Champion. Lots of fun! Well, now we've really scored a good one, I think! I have big plans for it.
Great enough to find a solid complete unmolested '56 Golden Hawk, but how about one with manual trans and O.D. as well as Power Steering? And how about with Dual Quads? By all indications this car has been outfitted like this since the beginning. The birth certificate shows the trans and P.S. to be original, and the 2 4's have all original and correct carburetors, linkage, filters, etc. as compared to the factory pictures from 1956.
The pictures show the as-found condition, and the car as it appears now, cleaned up. Still has not been run, so engine condition is unknown. Doesn't appear to ever have been wrecked, and has no rust except in front fenders. I have perfect replacements.
We're now trying to decide whether to go all the way with a frame-off restoration, or leave the body on and do as first-class of a job as we can like that. Since it's so rust-free, that's tempting, but a car of this caliber... opinions? We want to make the best of our investment. What do y'all think the value of this car might be going either way?
It was originally green/white-- we'll probably go green/black as a matter of preference. Might also upgrade to a 374-- I mean, why not? Also intend to install new Chrysler wire wheels and wide whites. No other changes are planned, other than making it like new. (or better than...)6322863229632306323163232632336323463235This Studebakering stuff can be pretty cool!

spokejr
04-03-2017, 10:12 PM
Kenny, I don't know where to start, this is remarkable!

I certainly would hold myself back a bit were the car mine. Yes, by all means, make every system in the car function correctly but by all means use it and get it out there in the world, for the world to see. That way, if you fall in love as is, you aren't in any kind of corner. Personally, I'd give it a year.

After that, if you're not satisfied with the car (green isn't my fave but I do like it on her) or it looks like you may be doing more harm than good by putting off a restoration, rip into her. Is the current colour the original? It almost looks like the inner fenders have white paint. Is that even the original paint to begin with?

BTW, I am sure there is a twelve step program out there for you but it looks as if you've gone for a 13 step program at this point.

Seriously though, congratulations!

Ken Buchanan

Milaca
04-03-2017, 10:37 PM
I love the looks of that car, I want one too!! That color is begging to be two-toned with white, in my opinion every 1956 Golden Hawk should be two-toned.
1956 Golden Hawks and 1963 Daytona convertibles are two of my most favorite automobiles.

t walgamuth
04-03-2017, 10:44 PM
Definitely too nice to restore IMHO.

Nice car!

willyj
04-03-2017, 11:32 PM
Ken
If the engine is good I see no reason to go to a 374. Neither engine is a hot dog but they are respectable in performanceI really like the solid green of the two pics you show in your library. I think it is very elegant. I have had the finned hawks in two tone and single colors as well as GT hawks.in usually single colors. This is a matter of personal preferencem. The tranny combo makes for a great cruiser I think your wheel idea is good.I like keeping the bodies of my cars pretty much stock. With the engine of two four barrel carbs you hsve a very rare car. Good luck.

Bill Jones Jr.
D & B Restoration

JoeHall
04-03-2017, 11:50 PM
Looks like it was an LA plant car. Absolutely beautiful too!

sals54
04-03-2017, 11:58 PM
Kenny, I don't know where to start, this is remarkable!

I certainly would hold myself back a bit were the car mine. Yes, by all means, make every system in the car function correctly but by all means use it and get it out there in the world, for the world to see. That way, if you fall in love as is, you aren't in any kind of corner. Personally, I'd give it a year.

After that, if you're not satisfied with the car (green isn't my fave but I do like it on her) or it looks like you may be doing more harm than good by putting off a restoration, rip into her. Is the current colour the original? It almost looks like the inner fenders have white paint. Is that even the original paint to begin with?

BTW, I am sure there is a twelve step program out there for you but it looks as if you've gone for a 13 step program at this point.

Seriously though, congratulations!

Ken Buchanan

I think Ken's got it dead on. Ditto for me on this count.
Drive it as is for a while... then decide.
Unbelievably gorgeous. A breathtaking car, fer sher.

packardHawk58
04-04-2017, 05:14 AM
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/56%20Golden/2017-04-04%2019.52.58_zpssykd5ey9.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/56%20Golden/2017-04-04%2019.52.58_zpssykd5ey9.jpg.html)

At the 2002 SB meet this 56 J had this quad setup installed, with the owner claiming these were an original air cleaner setup.
Maybe on a Packard Caribbean, but I think your setup is more plausible, they seem to be the same air cleaners as used on 56-57 Corvettes.
Beautiful car and looks great in that colour, I don't think it needs two-toning in white. Great find!

mbstude
04-04-2017, 05:53 AM
I think I'd redo the mechanicals and the interior, and leave the rest alone. I would have a very hard time changing anything from stock on that one. I've never seen a 56J that color, and as few of these that were built with OD and PS, I'd bet it's the only one in this combination. I like it!

Be sure to contact Frank Ambrogio so he can add it to his registry.

Congrats on such a cool find.

BobPalma
04-04-2017, 06:36 AM
:!: Cool beans, Kenny; what a find! :D

I'd agree with Ken and Sal; good recommendations on how to proceed.

Research the original color; with the under hood being white, it was probably two-toned and you might want to consider that if you ever repaint it...but don't rush into anything, as nice as it cleaned up.

That looked like quite a nest around the distributor "as found." What did you find underneath there?

Best wishes on a wonderful car. Overdrive and Power Steering is indeed a rare combination. :!!: :cool: :cool: BP

Mrs K Corbin
04-04-2017, 06:39 AM
I think i'd start looking for history on this one....

Ditto on the other's comments leave the body alone for at least a year, with the possible exception of hunting down the tin worms and killing them.
Pull the carpet and check under there too.

57pack
04-04-2017, 08:58 AM
I see by your list by your signature you own way to many Studebakers.
Please ship your Golden to me asap!
All kidding aside, what a great find! Just fix what needs to fixed and Drive her!
Amazing, seems to be more Goldens coming to light. Not a bad thing.

jrlemke
04-04-2017, 09:55 AM
The only thing I would change, if you're going to drive it, it the carb linkage. Go to progressive linkage, it's much easier to tune! Very nice catch!- Jim

jackb
04-04-2017, 10:03 AM
Frame off restoration ??? Find from the registry what's out there. Then, extrapolating "some" from the 64' ragtop thread.... you might get close as to a number. A frame off , with full interior correct for best bucks and of course a complete engine rebuild correct carbing........ well, you know where you stand (on one leg)..... My guess is there are several pockets here who would love that car, pay good money AND complete the restoration to original.....

SN-60
04-04-2017, 04:24 PM
Same 'look' as Joe Bacon's '56 Golden less the 'Glenbrook Green' :woot:!!...Your Hawk is the most interesting Stude I've seen on this forum in MONTHS!...Best of luck with it! :)

SN-60
04-04-2017, 04:27 PM
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/56%20Golden/2017-04-04%2019.52.58_zpssykd5ey9.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/56%20Golden/2017-04-04%2019.52.58_zpssykd5ey9.jpg.html)

At the 2002 SB meet this 56 J had this quad setup installed, with the owner claiming these were an original air cleaner setup.
Maybe on a Packard Caribbean, but I think your setup is more plausible, they seem to be the same air cleaners as used on 56-57 Corvettes.
Beautiful car and looks great in that colour, I don't think it needs two-toning in white. Great find!

Great Photo Brian:!:!!....Hopefully, this powerful engine isn't backed up by an Ultramatic!!

PackardV8
04-04-2017, 04:56 PM
That's a fabulous find of my all-time favorite Stude; a '56J with overdrive.

At the 2002 SB meet this 56 J had this quad setup installed, with the owner claiming these were an original air cleaner setup.
Maybe on a Packard Caribbean, but I think your setup is more plausible, they seem to be the same air cleaners as used on 56-57 Corvettes.Not original for the Caribbean, either. Here's a Caribbean setup installed backward on my '55 E12 pickup
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As there were no factory-installed '56J with 2x4 setups, there were no original air filters. However, it would be natural for Studebaker Engineering to have considered using two of the single carb filters. And yes the Corvette 2x4 air filters work well on '56Js.


If the engine is good I see no reason to go to a 374. Neither engine is a hot dog but they are respectable in performanceYour opinions and results are valid in light of how fast BrandX cars later became, but in the Studebaker pantheon of performance, there is none hotter or more pleasant to drive. Compared to anything of its era, the 374" Caribbean in a '56 J is a rocket ship; magazine road tests found even the stock '56J faster and quicker than the Corvette, Thunderbird or Chrysler 300.

jack vines

StudeRich
04-04-2017, 05:01 PM
Great find Kenny, I just would re-think that "Black" Color change, not a good combo with the Turquoise Green, which clearly matches/goes well with the clearly Green Interior.

jbwhttail
04-04-2017, 05:19 PM
You need to send the serial number and body number to Frank Ambrogio for a build sheet on this car, as far as I know no Seafoam and white cars were built. the interior is correct for a Seafoam/Glenbrook green. Also as mentioned the dual carbs were not an option but "may have" been installed by a dealer. As far as the dual air cleaner...... those were manufactured to a drawing of what one would look like should they be an option. If dual carbs were not an option on the Hawk neither was the air cleaner.

Your car do with it as you like but............... I would look at what it qas originally before I changed it.

studeclunker
04-04-2017, 06:49 PM
Well Kenny, congrats on yet another wonderful find. as the usual caveat goes, you car, your money. That said, I would seriously consider VERY carefully any modification of this car. It just might be already heavily modified, then again knowing Studebaker as we all do, it very well could be factory. If so, it might be a better investment on such an unusual car to just repair and restore without any modification (or very minimal anyway).

Wonderful find, congratulations!

Studerick64
04-04-2017, 06:54 PM
I would keep the engine as is as long as the oil pump is up to the job. Isky made a cam and lifter set for these engines. Ask Jack Vines as he is the expert. Upgrade the brakes, heavier front and rear sway bars and drive it hard.

SN-60
04-04-2017, 07:04 PM
If you intend to drive this '56GH a bit, a Jack Vines Oldsmobile oil pump conversion kit would be 'just what the doctor ordered'! :!:

hausdok
04-04-2017, 07:28 PM
It cleaned up very very nicely. I'd leave it alone. It's a survivor. Today, it seems like survivors are commanding more money at auctions than restored or modifieds. I'd clean the interior, have an upholsterer replace any torn seat panels, damaged door panels and carpets; same with the trunk; but keep as much of the original as I was able to with careful cleaning and polishing. Remove the front fenders, cut out the rust, weld in new metal, lead, sand, prime and paint to match and reinstall. I'd leave the original rims and covers and replace the old rubber with some new classic tires - classic radials if I wanted to drive it a lot or just classic bias-ply if I wasn't planning to drive it a lot.

Think about having a dry-ice blasting company clean the engine compartment and under the car for you maybe even the trunk, seats and headliner. There's a firm in Seattle in Freemont Area. Dry ice blasting can remove years of aging and dirt without harming the finish or the underlying car the way that sand blasting does.

We should talk. I believe I'm supposed to be picking up a car from you in a couple of weeks. Shoot me a PM.

drrotor
04-04-2017, 09:28 PM
63254Here is an original factory photo taken in 1956 of the prototype as Studebaker was preparing this as a factory option. It was to include Dual points distributor, special camshaft and solid lifters, and the dual carbs as you see them here. All the Studebaker part numbers were outlined at the time as it was being readied for production. Why they didn't end up producing it, I do not know as the engineering of it was apparently completed. As you can see, the air filters were the same as they appear on my car.
I have the build sheet, and Seafoam and White was the original color combination. I appreciate the sentiments of keeping it all original, but alas it's already not-- it had a fairly poor quality paint job done to it many years ago, and was painted all one color at that time.
As far as my choice of Black and Seafoam, that was a factory paint scheme offered on Golden Hawks in 1956, and a few were built that way. Having bought and sold many cars during my career, I've found that a beautifully presented car in beautiful colors sells every bit as well as a "correct" car in almost every case. I think those who complain the the color isn't original are usually just looking for an angle to talk the price down when there isn't anything else wrong with the car to use as a bargaining point. Surely many of you must have seen the Metallic Black-Cherry colored '58 Golden Hawk on the internet? Positively not original, positively Beautiful.
This car is a bit like the long lasting discussion about which R3 Avanti's are the "real" ones... Was this built by Studebaker? Yes. Were the dual quads factory installed? I don't think so, although they are exactly like the factory photo. Were they Dealer-installed? It appears they were because of how correct and complete it is. I see this car as rather like a "Yenko" Camaro-- they weren't built by Chevrolet, but by a Dealer. In any case, intake system aside, the car is equipped just as it was when it left the factory.
And about the wire wheels and tires: two of the highest auction prices ever paid for a Golden Hawk were both cars that were sold with Wire wheels. But more importantly== I like 'em!! And they are easily removed if desired.
I love the discussion and the comments! Keep 'em coming! This is how we learn.

SN-60
04-04-2017, 10:20 PM
Never seen that photo before....Not only do you have an interesting car there, you also have interesting photos!! :!:

SN-60
04-04-2017, 10:27 PM
I'm thinking that although this dual quad conversion was PROBABLY (?) done at a Stude dealership, it was done with (at the time) brand new parts. (not simply pirated off of a Caribbean)

This conversion may be as close to what a 'factory' '56J dual quad option would have looked like as any of us are ever going to see! :ohmy:

Once again, this Hawk is the most interesting Stude that has been discussed on this forum in a LONG time! (IMHO)

TWChamp
04-04-2017, 10:59 PM
I'd like to see the car in green and white.
I like to keep original paint colors, but more important green is my favorite color.
It sure cleaned up nice from the dusty barn find.

JoeHall
04-04-2017, 11:34 PM
On this car's original paint, looking at the 56J Only site, I do not see, "seafoam" green listed at all. But "seaside" green is listed, including with the white combo. Looks like there were 15 at SB, and 7 at LA that were painted seaside green & snowcap white. There were 5 midnight black & seaside green 56Js from SB, and zero from LA.

As for the dual carbs, I knew a guy from the Midwest who owned a beautiful 56J with that setup. He was on the SDC circuit for several years, and always lost points when judged, due to the carbs not being, "factory correct". Last time I saw him and his car was at the SDC meet in SB about 10 years ago; he said he was tired of arguing with the judges, and just going to display it from then on. I have not seen him nor the car since. The, "Jet Streak" option got as far as planning, but unfortunately was never released by the factory. It certainly appears they, "belong" on this car, and every other 56J I have seen them on.

drrotor
04-04-2017, 11:54 PM
You are correct-- I intended to say "Seaside Green" and I believe you are correct in the production numbers as well...

packardHawk58
04-05-2017, 05:03 AM
Kenny, just curious you have a 64 Daytona R2 listed in your collection , is it a hardtop?
Ironically I will probably be meeting you in three weeks since I will be riding with Mike to pickup that 63 Daytona Convertible that we are hauling to the SB meet for the new owner.

cdn56J
04-05-2017, 05:44 AM
drrotor, unless the engine shown has adjustable pushrods on the valves, it must have hydraulic lifters.

fargoguy
04-05-2017, 09:05 AM
The car has cleaned up very well! My opinion is that they are only original once- even if it's a bit shabby, sort all the systems out and enjoy driving the wheels off it for a while. Trust me, it will garner as much or more attention at a car show than if you did a concours restoration on it! What a great find- should be lots of fun to step down the loud pedal on that baby on the open road!

packard352
04-05-2017, 02:11 PM
Not sure what happened to my earlier contribution to the thread...

Firstly, congratulations on a truly superb 'find' and in what incredible condition after such a long period of hibernation.

If you haven't already been in contact with Frank Ambrogio, you should make contact with him. Frank set-up the 56J Register and you can find his contact information here
http://www.1956goldenhawk.com/

Frank might be able to help with a copy of the build sheet, though he would probably appreciate you joining the Register too. There's no joining fee, other than supplying him VIN Tag and body numbers. I'm pretty sure Frank and many other members of the Register would be delighted to read of how you found the car / owner, bought the car and your plans for such a lovely vehicle. Franks publishes a Newsletter 3 to 4 times each year, so fingers crossed you might consider this.

Some have suggested enjoying the car 'as is' now to help formulate your future plans, which does make sense. Others have suggested swapping out the oil pump and contacting Jack Vines - he is the go to guy on Packard engine matters. Jack should be able to supply you with the correct oil pump and guidance. Jack would also be able to provide you with some great insights to turning the engine into a 374" - you'd be sure to enjoy the extra horses!

Frank had a car with dual quads, which he sold a few years ago. As with all unique vehicles, if you have some time... please take as many photographs as possible and if you're minded to, perhaps consider sharing with Frank Ambrogio.

When Frank set-up the 56J Register, his ethos was to help share and disseminate knowledge, experience... and fun between 56J Owners. The ethos remains and we're exceedingly lucky to have such a stalwart still running the Register.

BTW, you'll find the Register a vast resource as well as some highly knowledgeable folk, who will be more than happy to provide any help and assistance with your questions and queries.

Please keep posting updates and photos as you work thru your ideas... and here's hoping you become a long-term owner of such a great car. If you've not guessed, I admit to being biased.

Good luck, Richard

63265 63267 63268 63266

PS: It's a mammoth task if you go the whole restoration hog, but you'll know all about that anyway

Hallabutt
04-05-2017, 03:24 PM
Kenny,

I know that you know your way around cars, so I don't have to tell you what's involved in a body off. Please take some time to let this all settle down before you jump in with both feet. The way to maximize value is to not restore, but preserve it as original as you can live with. I know you well enough to know that perfection is what you demand, but you also drive your cars. A twelve hundred hour> restoration on a car that you will want to drive, and "make the best out of your investment," are sadly incompatible. You are going to drive it so prepare it as a driver. By taking the body off you can easily add 50% to the restoration time required with very little real cosmetic payback, while putting yourself behind the eight ball time and dollar wise. There are scant few post war Studebakers that can even come close to recouping the cost of restoration and this is not one of them. Soft prices, limited high end market and extremely high restoration costs and you have a recipe for financial suicide! Hope to see you this weekend at Mary's. You'll see some of our junk and maybe see the depth to which this suicidal tendency can lead!-Bill

rockne10
04-05-2017, 06:38 PM
IMHO, Original production order would be a good start.

SN-60
04-05-2017, 06:40 PM
I think everyone has fallen in love with this Golden Hawk :!!::!!:!!!!!!!!

drrotor
04-05-2017, 09:50 PM
You guys are great. "Wisdom comes from the council of many". That's why I've been soliciting opinions. Thanks to all of you.
Yes, I've already registered the car on 56J register, spent an hour on the phone with Frank, and I was already in posession of The original buid sheet.
Don't worry-- I'm not the kind of guy who charges into a project with tools and parts flying every which way, and with no plan. Collecting all your opinions is in fact, part of the plan. As far as the way to build this car, I'll be doing a very nice quality restoration to it with these critera:
1. It must be beautiful to the eye, done in a period-correct way, but not slavishly correct to the last detail.
2. It will be upgraded only slightly with a nod towards safety and reliability-- i.e. Disc Brakes, Radial Tires, Electronic Ignition, Seat Belts.
3. It will be upgraded in the spirit of it's performance personality: A fresh or NOS 374, with all Jet Streak components if possible.
4. It will NEVER have any SBC, LS1, Mustang suspended, Rack and Pinion foolishness anywhere near it.
Does this all meet with the approval of the Studebaker Community? I hope so, because it certainly meets with mine!
Oh-- and it won't be done soon...

BRUCESTUDE
04-05-2017, 10:00 PM
Beautiful car! At least have it running and driving in time for the National Meet in Tacoma, 2018!!

drrotor
04-05-2017, 10:35 PM
6329563296Maybe this will help. As a way of illustrating our intentions for this '5663294, I offer up a few pictures of our '57 Silver Hawk we finished restoring last year. I built this car especially for my wife, and let her choose the color, the upholstery color and material, etc. I optioned it up by adding power steering, and Golden Hawk gauges, upholstery in the style of Golden Hawks, Golden Hawk trim (as well as some from other years), Speedster wheel covers, etc.
Maybe 1 person in a thousand at local car shows knows that it isn't exactly correct, but everyone seems to approve. I was amused, however, at a Studebaker car show last year, a fellow was walking by with his wife. We overheard her say "Wow! That thing is Gorgeous!" To which I heard her husband (or whatever) sniff: "It's just a Silver Hawk". We thought, Oh, Brother.

SN-60
04-05-2017, 11:15 PM
Nicest looking '57 Silver Hawk I ever saw! :!!:

t walgamuth
04-06-2017, 06:36 AM
I would not choose green for any car ever unless it was the original color. That said, that hawk looks stunning with that dark green and the brown interior!

StudebakerGene
04-06-2017, 11:52 AM
[QUOTE=drrotor;1048400]You guys are great. "Wisdom comes from the council of many". That's why I've been soliciting opinions. Thanks to all of you.
Yes, I've already registered the car on 56J register, spent an hour on the phone with Frank, and I was already in posession of The original buid sheet.
Don't worry-- I'm not the kind of guy who charges into a project with tools and parts flying every which way, and with no plan. Collecting all your opinions is in fact, part of the plan. As far as the way to build this car, I'll be doing a very nice quality restoration to it with these critera:
1. It must be beautiful to the eye, done in a period-correct way, but not slavishly correct to the last detail.
2. It will be upgraded only slightly with a nod towards safety and reliability-- i.e. Disc Brakes, Radial Tires, Electronic Ignition, Seat Belts.
3. It will be upgraded in the spirit of it's performance personality: A fresh or NOS 374, with all Jet Streak components if possible.
4. It will NEVER have any SBC, LS1, Mustang suspended, Rack and Pinion foolishness anywhere near it.

I guess I want be parking anywhere near it with my foolish cars,wouldn't want any of that better drivability, superior horsepower, better braking, better steering to rub off on that "one off"--- really?

drrotor
04-06-2017, 08:52 PM
Gene-- There are many reasons for my comments on modern powertrain conversions. This may take awhile, so hopefully I don't bore you. Where do I even start?

OK, first of all, there are many qualified rod builders out there that build cars better than the factory ever could have. I recognize that. HOWEVER... There are far more knuckleheads who have no idea what they're doing, have no budget, not many tools, and even less experience. Many whole, good, complete cars have been destroyed by underfunded, inexperienced car-guys with no engineering training who are not qualified to build a dependable, safe car. I am not lumping you or any other particular person into that category.
Stock, original, restored cars were designed by teams of highly trained and educated people, and often were designed with multi-million dollar budgets to drive safely and dependably. How many home builders do? Same with professional designers and stylists.

Secondly, have you ever bought someone else's built car that came with an owner's manual? A service manual? How about even a concise list of parts used to build the car so that replacements are not a challenge? A wiring diagram? If you need parts, how do you know what specifically, to buy, if you weren't the builder? Need to diagnose an electrical malfunction? Sure, a really good mechanic can figure it out. But what shop will you take it to that's willing to do it? I was in the Auto Repair Business for 30 years. We, like most other shops, would turn down that kind of work-- there's just no money in it. Give me a standard production car to work on-- that's where the money is. Big chain auto shops like Les Schwab, Firestone, Midas, Goodyear, I could go on and on-- simply won't work on modified cars because they want to make a profit, not spin their wheels trying to figure out what in the world they're working on.

Thirdly, Stock, Original cars have a verifiable track record of resale value. Look one up on many various online sources (Hagerty, etc, etc,) and easily determine the approx. market value of a classic. A modified car or street rod? It could be worth three times as much as much-- I admit-- or 1/4 as much because it's so poorly engineered. There's always a buyer for an original or restored car.

And Lastly, Original and restored cars will always be appreciated by a wide general audience. Many street rods look cool and flashy for a time, and then they go completely out of style. Sometimes older builds would come into my shop with a new owner wanting to tear out the custom interior that was spiffy 20 years ago but now looks hoplessly out of date. That Metalflake brown that was so cool then? Ummm-- not so much now...
Of course, these are GENERALIZATIONS, that don't apply in many cases. It's like my Dad would say: "Nothing good happens after midnight!" Well, working Graveyard happens after midnight, and working is good. Hopefully you can "get my drift" and not be offended. These are just General Rules I believe are good. You keep buildin' 'em the way you like, and I will too. It's all good.--Kenny

tim333
04-07-2017, 01:13 AM
Well spoken Kenny, I totally agree.

8E45E
04-07-2017, 06:28 AM
Was this built by Studebaker? Yes. Were the dual quads factory installed? I don't think so, although they are exactly like the factory photo. Were they Dealer-installed? It appears they were because of how correct and complete it is. I see this car as rather like a "Yenko" Camaro-- they weren't built by Chevrolet, but by a Dealer. In any case, intake system aside, the car is equipped just as it was when it left the factory.

At MCACN, and other muscle car events, it would be called a 'Day 2' car.

An example of a 'Day 2" car.-----------------> https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mus/2011/03/The---Day-Two---Deuce---1970-Chevrolet-Nova-Yenko-Deuce/3697001.html

Craig

Lynn
04-07-2017, 08:39 PM
Great car. I am jealous, and looking forward to updates.

drrotor
05-10-2017, 11:24 PM
Great car. I am jealous, and looking forward to updates.

OK, so here's a fun update to this '56 Golden hawk project ("Elbert" as my wife and I have decided to name him, after my Late Hot-Rodding uncle...)
After posting a request here on the forum whether anyone had a 374 for sale,64046640476404864049640506405164052 a fellow in Florida told me he had an NOS 374 fitted block, which I happily bought and just received back here at home in Seattle. I'm very excited to have found it! This block will be completed using the rest of the 352 that's currently in the car, and I'll save the 352 block for anyone who might want it in the future should I ever decide to sell the car. Not likely to happen anytime soon, however...
It's going to be sad to have to cut that spiffy original "Packard" strapping off of the original pallet when the time comes!
BTW-- another friend has an NOS Packard crankshaft which is FORGED, and he claims is quite rare. It's not cheap. Should I try to come up with the bucks for it?

JRoberts
05-11-2017, 06:23 AM
I always say it is your car do what you wan with it. In this case I like what your goal for this great car is. If it were me no matter what was done to it, I would have to drive it and I mean really drive it. Congratulations on a great find. Keep us up on what is going on with it.

Randy Bohannon
05-11-2017, 09:25 AM
The pictures of the 56 GH were taken in my garage many years ago. I bought the car in Idaho Falls where it sat for several years, drove it to Tacoma, WA and parked it in my barn where the pictures were taken. It ran great and sounded great with a pair of cherry bombs!
On the drive from Idaho Falls, a 5.0 l Mustang taunted me but couldn't keep up - especially higher speed. Stopped to talk - he didn't know what it was and could not believe the size of that big Packard with with 2 4's. The car was not cleaned up either.
I had too many projects so I sold it to Brent Hagen who cleaned it up etc. Lost track of it from there on.

Randy Bohannon
'52 Commander Starlight V8
'63 R2 GT SuperHawk
'64 Daytona Convert V8

WinM1895
05-11-2017, 08:43 PM
Giddy and excited-- this has been quite a year for great barn finds for us! A few months ago we scored a '63 Daytona Convertible, a '52 Champion 2-door sedan, and a '57 Transtar 1/2 ton. All had very low mileage and had been stored 35 and 40 years. All three have now been returned to running condition, and we regularly drive the Truck and the Champion. Lots of fun! Well, now we've really scored a good one, I think! I have big plans for it.

Great enough to find a solid complete unmolested '56 Golden Hawk, but how about one with manual trans and O.D. as well as Power Steering? And how about with Dual Quads? By all indications this car has been outfitted like this since the beginning. The birth certificate shows the trans and P.S. to be original, and the 2 4's have all original and correct carburetors, linkage, filters, etc. as compared to the factory pictures from 1956.


I once owned a '56 Golden Hawk with T-85 O/D, P/S, non push button radio, dual rear antennas, assembled in Vernon CA

Measure the bolt circle pattern before buying Chrysler wire wheels, because Chrysler Imperial wheels will not fit Studebakers.

I bought what I thought were Chrysler wire wheels along with nice white wall tires for my 62V-K6, went to mount them...damn!

drrotor
05-11-2017, 09:09 PM
Thanks for that tip! I didn't realize Imperial wheels have a different bolt circle. I just knew Chrysler wheels, generally speaking, are the same. Interesting.

drrotor
05-11-2017, 11:55 PM
The pictures of the 56 GH were taken in my garage many years ago. I bought the car in Idaho Falls where it sat for several years, drove it to Tacoma, WA and parked it in my barn where the pictures were taken. It ran great and sounded great with a pair of cherry bombs!
On the drive from Idaho Falls, a 5.0 l Mustang taunted me but couldn't keep up - especially higher speed. Stopped to talk - he didn't know what it was and could not believe the size of that big Packard with with 2 4's. The car was not cleaned up either.
I had too many projects so I sold it to Brent Hagen who cleaned it up etc. Lost track of it from there on.

Randy Bohannon
'52 Commander Starlight V8
'63 R2 GT SuperHawk
'64 Daytona Convert V8

Randy-- PM sent.

Colgate Studebaker
05-12-2017, 06:21 AM
Ken, concerning the NOS forged crank, if it were me trying to make a decision whether to buy or not, I'd talk to Jack Vines for his highly regarded opinion. Like you I have wrenched for more than 40 years, and in instances like this I will lean heavily on opinions of "experts" the likes of Jack. I also prefer to "do it right", as it's easier to do it right the first time than "redo" it again later. Just my 2 cents worth for your consideration. You have a beautiful project there. Good luck with it, Bill.

bezhawk
05-12-2017, 07:34 AM
Regardless of the crank used, check the line bore for straightness. The use the Oldsmobile oil pump conversion. Use the Chrysler disk valve version of the lifters, instead of the ball valve Packard OEM type. Use new timing components.

WinM1895
05-12-2017, 07:46 AM
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If you'd be interested, I have some 56J parts that I have no use for.

A pair of these V shaped mouldings (on the rear fenders just below the roof), that have very nice chrome with only a few minor pits (about the size of the head of a pin).

A pair of front fender lamps that have some pitting, but would re-chrome very nicely.

NOS vacuum advance for the dizzy.

I also have a used left rear tail lamp (no lenses) for a 1962/64 GT Hawk.

The price for all these parts will be very fair, much cheaper than you would pay on ebay.

Bill, the owner of Early Ford Store in San Dimas CA has a NOS 56J Tach drive.

GTCruiser
05-13-2017, 09:39 AM
What a beauty! I thought the photos were before and after restoration, not just cleaning!

T.J. lavallee
05-13-2017, 11:19 AM
Nice original...and remember...they're only original once.

drrotor
05-14-2017, 11:40 PM
6322863229
If you'd be interested, I have some 56J parts that I have no use for.

A pair of these V shaped mouldings (on the rear fenders just below the roof), that have very nice chrome with only a few minor pits (about the size of the head of a pin).

A pair of front fender lamps that have some pitting, but would re-chrome very nicely.

NOS vacuum advance for the dizzy.

I also have a used left rear tail lamp (no lenses) for a 1962/64 GT Hawk.

The price for all these parts will be very fair, much cheaper than you would pay on ebay.

Bill, the owner of Early Ford Store in San Dimas CA has a NOS 56J Tach drive.[/QUOTE]

PM has been sent.

RadioRoy
05-15-2017, 11:54 AM
"...there are many qualified rod builders out there that build cars better than the factory ever could have. I recognize that. There are far more knuckleheads who have no idea what they're doing, have no budget, not many tools, and even less experience. Many whole, good, complete cars have been destroyed by underfunded, inexperienced car-guys with no engineering training who are not qualified to build a dependable, safe car.

Stock, original, restored cars were designed by teams of highly trained and educated people, and often were designed with multi-million dollar budgets to drive safely and dependably. How many home builders do? Same with professional designers and stylists..."

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Bravo! I have been saying this for years, but not as eloquently as you have just done. Thank you for that!

StudebakerGene
05-15-2017, 12:21 PM
"...there are many qualified rod builders out there that build cars better than the factory ever could have. I recognize that. There are far more knuckleheads who have no idea what they're doing, have no budget, not many tools, and even less experience. Many whole, good, complete cars have been destroyed by underfunded, inexperienced car-guys with no engineering training who are not qualified to build a dependable, safe car.

Stock, original, restored cars were designed by teams of highly trained and educated people, and often were designed with multi-million dollar budgets to drive safely and dependably. How many home builders do? Same with professional designers and stylists..."

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Bravo! I have been saying this for years, but not as eloquently as you have just done. Thank you for that!

Blah, blah, blah, You guys ever hear of SEMA, That's marketers of Specialty equipment, How about a pro-touring car. The digestion part of this thread seems to be strictly "purist" related and I'm OK with that as I've said. What I'm not comfortable with is all the finger pointing as to why our custom cars are "foolish" because we don't want that " antiquated" stock driving, no braking, no control, no parts availability aspect. You guys can drive them stockers all day long and I hope you are content with that but don't expect us custom builders to agree with you--- it's not going to happen! I would never walk up to someone's prized vehicle, stock or not and start berating him for the improvements that he made and ya'll shouldn't either. That individual spent their hard earned money on what they have and they are proud of it--- just like you! In the future the poster should post, "rare car found, purists opinions please." would have saved all this bull sh*t bickering. I don't take anyone calling my cars or my abilities "foolish," not for a minute! My C.E. and my Champ will outrun, out brake, out stop, and out maneuver almost any of your stockers out there and with the A/C on. Like Drrotor said. "you build em your way and I'll build them mine," but don't try to shove your "purists" rant at us, it ain't selling here! This is the Studebaker Drivers Club Forum not the Studebaker Purists Forum!

Skip Lackie
05-15-2017, 04:26 PM
I enjoy and can appreciate the labor and skill (and investments) involved in both stock and modified vehicles. I suspect the rap against customizers is because most of us have seen solid, restorable vehicles irrevocably buggered by knuckleheads to the point that they are only good as parts cars. Purists get on their high horse and look down their noses at those that dare to replace a dead generator with an unauthentic alternator -- and customizers often flaunt their skills and disparage those that do not possess the same talents and time. Not all of us want to invest the research and parts searching to restore an old vehicle properly -- and not all of us want to update a 60-year old vehicle to use as a daily driver.

Climate plays a role, too. Folks who live on the West Coast and the Southwest can take advantage of a mostly dry warm climate. Us rust-belters often have a beater that we drive 4 or 5 months of the year. Diffrent strokes . . . . .

StudebakerGene
05-15-2017, 05:02 PM
Skip,

I have seen way more restorable cars relegated to demise because somebody simply ran out of money or couldn't find suitable replacement parts than I have with people trying customize them. The purists want to jump on the band wagon and chirp their little derogatory statements when most have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. All the claims of high tech engineers and designers, how do ya'll feel about them airbags blowing everyone apart, the BMW's catching fire after sitting for hours and burning up houses and people--- two things I don't trust, Engineers and designers. I use them both in my business and I'm always sending RFI'S and change orders due to the fact that most of time they didn't think it through. Same thing happens in the car business, There's a ton of them on ebay right now. Everybody was all, eewwing and ahhwing at the original 56, first thing the poster started crowing about was putting some Chrysler wire wheels on it that wouldn't work--- oh and let's not forget the Turner brakes. Wait, we have to have a 374 Packard motor and a special crank now, Oh I almost forgot--- let's rebuild and keep them non original 2x4 carbs and manifold, surely nobody will notice that--- lets keep it original though LOL! The purists on here have their own little niche, they can modify theirs all day long with those still antiquated parts but the minute we add something not Studebaker (we're foolish.) About the biggest double standard bunch I ever been around.

drrotor
05-16-2017, 01:24 AM
Gene-- first of all I owe you an apology. Using the word "foolishness" in my description of my plans for this car was offensive I can see, but that wasn't my intent. I thought my post was simply stating my opinion, it was not meant to criticize you, which I clearly said. I have never and will never "go up to someone's car and start berating it". I know, for example, some cars get Rodded because they're too far gone to restore, I have no problem with that. I do regret that some Rodders don't seem to recognize or maybe even care about the fact they may be destroying a historical artifact, which some special cars certainly are. Would you feel good about altering the Mona Lisa just because you don't like her smile, and can "make it better"?
I also feel what I said wasn't carefully read. I NEVER SAID I WAS KEEPING IT STOCK. It will be all Studebaker, that's how I like it. I even used my wife's non- stock Silver Hawk as an example. Please cool off, and let's get together at some future meet and have a beer, whaddya say?

studeclunker
05-16-2017, 01:40 AM
Gene, you have a right to ruin your vehicle, IMHO, however you like. Just like any car owner. I and other people have the right to attempt keeping our cars as much Studebaker as it is possible to do and still have them run properly. Your argument against the designers of modern cars has no bearing on Studebakers.

It is well known around here I really don't like most modified and adulterated vehicles. However, that is my opinion. Your vituperate rant is neither appreciated nor respected as it shows disrespect for every opinion but your own. I was remaining silent up to this point because the conversation was polite and you have jumped the pales, in my humble opinion.

Now, if you don't mind, may we please return to the original subject of discussion here regarding a great find by Kenny? I, for one, am curious as to his progress.

StudebakerGene
05-16-2017, 09:41 AM
drrotor,

Thank you for that apology, it wasn't that hard. You and I can have a beer and discuss our cars anytime. I try not to be "over sensitive," but sometimes words just don't come out right from any of us, and I respect that. I love all things Studebaker, with that said I applaud your desire to really make this car "POP." The way that you obtain that is, your right of passage, anyway you choose, not what someone else thinks. I have been around car clubs all my life and the purists/non purists split seems to be more apparent here than elsewhere and it shouldn't be that way. The custom Studebakers that are out there only enhance and stimulate other peoples ideas as to form. I love them stock and customized equally but I am also an educated "realist," reality sometimes strikes a different chord.

Mr Studeclunker:

fo-rum
noun
1.) a place, meeting or medium where ideas on a particular issue can be exchanged.

I copied the definition of a forum in case you haven't ever read it, you should because the concept also allows you to "chime " in as well as others. You may not like my views and I yours, but that's what makes a forum so inviting. As you spread your unfounded views "Your argument against the designers of modern cars has no bearing on Studebakers." Did you come up with that all by yourself? Or did you just only read that parts that inflamed you. The post began touting the millions of dollars in engineering and development and how could we customizers stand up against all that with our lowly aptitude. It wasn't all that but basically what it implied. I hope you have this months Turning wheels, if so please turn to page 24 and read the opening statement, I'm quoting here "The entire truck body engineering department consisted of myself and a Cherokee Indian named Al Weatherman, for development we got ten dollars here and there." Damn, that really gives me a warm sense of engineering at it's best, doesn't it you? Unless Showbiz Kid or some other moderator put you in charge I would suggest that you get some "tougher" skin and grow a "pair" because you wont last long in a real debate/forum situation. You see that's the whole problem, me and drrotor made our statements and we are all good with it, no harm done, that's why it's called a forum! As to your opening statement about I can ruin my vehicle any way I want, That's about inflammatory as it gets. Who died and made you the "Pope?" I really don't give a damn where you want to get back to reading and to be quite honest we have all listened to your sniveling about why this car wont be here and this car wont be there because they are all broke down. My ruined modified vehicle made it just fine to Stockton and everyone there had a great time, too bad your stocker didn't. "you build them your way and I'll build them mine," great quote!

p.s. I don't know where Fawn Lodge is located but I'm pretty sure it's close to "purists heaven" just down the road a ways from "my stuff is better than yours." get a grip!

Skip Lackie
05-17-2017, 04:27 PM
Skip,

I have seen way more restorable cars relegated to demise because somebody simply ran out of money or couldn't find suitable replacement parts than I have with people trying customize them. The purists want to jump on the band wagon and chirp their little derogatory statements when most have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. All the claims of high tech engineers and designers, how do ya'll feel about them airbags blowing everyone apart, the BMW's catching fire after sitting for hours and burning up houses and people--- two things I don't trust, Engineers and designers. I use them both in my business and I'm always sending RFI'S and change orders due to the fact that most of time they didn't think it through. Same thing happens in the car business, There's a ton of them on ebay right now. Everybody was all, eewwing and ahhwing at the original 56, first thing the poster started crowing about was putting some Chrysler wire wheels on it that wouldn't work--- oh and let's not forget the Turner brakes. Wait, we have to have a 374 Packard motor and a special crank now, Oh I almost forgot--- let's rebuild and keep them non original 2x4 carbs and manifold, surely nobody will notice that--- lets keep it original though LOL! The purists on here have their own little niche, they can modify theirs all day long with those still antiquated parts but the minute we add something not Studebaker (we're foolish.) About the biggest double standard bunch I ever been around.

In my previous post I tried to be conciliatory, pointing out that plenty of us like both original and modified vehicles, and also opining that it can also take a lot of effort (though maybe less imagination) to restore a car to original specs. Maybe I didn't do a very good job of expressing myself. Your response to my post sounds to me like the same kind of rant that you accuse others of; eg, bringing in Takata airbags is a bit of a stretch. You should be very proud of your truck and the skill you have demonstrated in building and modifying it. But i don't think that those that prefer original cars are necessarily your enemy.

48skyliner
05-17-2017, 05:04 PM
I have tried to avoid controversy by keeping mine as original as possible, except for a few changes to improve the driveability. It is completely stock except for the engine, transmission, front suspension, rear suspension, front and rear brakes, driveshaft, radiator, fuel tank, throttle, clutch and brake pedals, instruments, wheels, exhaust system, modified bumpers and lack of a hood ornament.

Twice in recent weeks I have had someone walk up to the car, look it over and say "It is a 48, isn't it". I rarely go to the grocery store, parts store, gas station or anywhere else without someone telling me that it is really a beautiful car. I have never owned a car that got so much positive response, from people who know exactly what it is and people who have no idea what it is. I am sure Kenny gets similar response when people see his Hawk - it is a really beautiful restoration. My point is that if you want to impress people that Studebakers are "cool" cars, the important thing is the quality of the restoration/modification, not how faithful it is to every detail of the original.

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StudebakerGene
05-17-2017, 06:53 PM
Kenny and I made our peace, I understand what he meant, and it wasn't quite as bad as some of the critiquing and insults that I have gotten on this forum. I am also very jealous of his car, I would love to own it and probably would do exactly what he's doing as well. All my vehicles aren't modified and I totally respect others prized possession just as much as mine. It seems as though the purists have ruled this forum and have exacted their "scorn" just about any way they see fit, I kind of understand some of it but that doesn't mean I approve of it. We all have our views, but the minute someone on here starts do belittle me, my car, or my abilities, I'm going to give it right back to you, that's why they call it a forum, to exchange ideas and views. I lean more towards real information and not what everybody thinks I.E. my statement about Engineers. Did you guys read the quote from the Turning Wheels, made me wonder who the engineers for the chassis's were, "Jack Largousky and some Chinese coolie named one hung low," and they gave them $20 dollars. The purists band together and give each other a little more nudge each post with no substantial backup. I understand we customizers are the minority for now but hopefully that will change where we can all be equal, That's all I'm asking for. Don't put me down and expect me to roll over just because you think I ruined my car. Kenny made a Statement about The Mona Lisa and asked would I change it because I didn't like it. The Mona Lisa was actually painted over by da Vinci himself because he didn't like it. Point is we all don't like the same thing but lets all try and stop belittling each other---

P.S. I didn't fire the first shot on this one but like I said, if you want to give it, expect to get it back because you have certainly met a competent adversary if that's the way you choose to go!

JoeHall
05-17-2017, 09:36 PM
I consider Studes as drivers, and would not know what to do with a, "quality restoration", since I'd be afraid to drive it. I place priority on reliability, dependability, safety, and stock-like external appearance. I prefer to keep them all Studebaker, but its not always practical; no qualms installing a GM tranny; 2005 Chrysler Sebring convertible front seats, 3rd brake light, etc..

I appreciate customs also. Every summer at the Street Rod Nationals in Louisville, there are about 50,000 of them, and maybe 500 stock appearing classics. The customs are nice to look at, especially the trick accessories and creativity. But with so many of them, as far as the eye can see, it becomes like sensory overload. After awhile, I just stand and look at rows and rows of them from afar. But if I spy a stock looking classic, I'll walk the distance to look closer.

So I guess I am a middle of the road kinda guy. I appreciate customs and, "restored" cars, especially Studes. But personally would not know what to do with either of them.

I seldom raise the hood on my car at any event. Either of the above groups would look at my engine bay in horror. I am sure most customs will go faster and handle better, but that's kinda mute to me, as long as the Stude is reasonably safe, reliable and presentable. So when I leave the Street Rod Nationals, or an SDC meet, I walk to my car in the parking lot, drive it home, and enjoy every mile. To each their own. There's room enough for all of us here.

I know the purists kinda rule the roost here, but when anyone becomes too abrasive, whatever they are positing quickly becomes a turn off for me. No reason for anyone to get their BP up. Probably not good for any of us anyway. LOL

StudebakerGene
05-18-2017, 10:24 AM
I consider Studes as drivers, and would not know what to do with a, "quality restoration", since I'd be afraid to drive it. I place priority on reliability, dependability, safety, and stock-like external appearance. I prefer to keep them all Studebaker, but its not always practical; no qualms installing a GM tranny; 2005 Chrysler Sebring convertible front seats, 3rd brake light, etc..

I appreciate customs also. Every summer at the Street Rod Nationals in Louisville, there are about 50,000 of them, and maybe 500 stock appearing classics. The customs are nice to look at, especially the trick accessories and creativity. But with so many of them, as far as the eye can see, it becomes like sensory overload. After awhile, I just stand and look at rows and rows of them from afar. But if I spy a stock looking classic, I'll walk the distance to look closer.

So I guess I am a middle of the road kinda guy. I appreciate customs and, "restored" cars, especially Studes. But personally would not know what to do with either of them.

I seldom raise the hood on my car at any event. Either of the above groups would look at my engine bay in horror. I am sure most customs will go faster and handle better, but that's kinda mute to me, as long as the Stude is reasonably safe, reliable and presentable. So when I leave the Street Rod Nationals, or an SDC meet, I walk to my car in the parking lot, drive it home, and enjoy every mile. To each their own. There's room enough for all of us here.

I know the purists kinda rule the roost here, but when anyone becomes too abrasive, whatever they are positing quickly becomes a turn off for me. No reason for anyone to get their BP up. Probably not good for any of us anyway. LOL

Well stated and definitely what we all need to strive for. All of us need to drive our cars and smile no matter what our personal preferences are. I have been venturing over to Studebaker Addicts and fortunately for some of you, I don't think I'll be back to this forum and really don't feel the need. The bickering, snide comments, and outright buswhacking have me throwing in the "towel." You are right Joe, my blood pressure can't handle it!

Jessie J.
05-20-2017, 01:42 PM
Love hot rods and modifieds. Lifelong passionate about Studebaker's. Especially those rare 56J's. To me having that big Packard mill under the hood is what owning a classic 56J is all about. Pure top of The Class of '56 cruiser/bruiser nostalgia. No way would I ever want to swap that old iron monster out for anything other than a even BIGGER Packard, like that poked n' stroked Isky crammed 414 that came up for sale a few years ago. But hooked up to an out of sight modern strong and trouble free overdrive automatic, and 9" so's that I could kick the hell out of it daily without frying it.
I don't own a '56J, but I do have a '62 Lark and a dual-quad equipped 390 Cad on the engine stand that I would love to get together. So not a purest by a long shot.
Got a totally stock '64 Daytona HT with 259 three-on-the tree & overdrive. Just like I owed as a teen in '67, so it will stay unmolested stock for as long as I own it.
My old '48 M-5 farm truck an all stock 'project' that I've yet to get around to, would certainly benefit from a modern suspension and drivetrain. Stock it would be a veritable unsafe nightmare to drive in todays traffic. Different vehicles, different qualities, different approaches.
No definitive 'RIGHT WAY' to build, only what pleases the owner, whom should keep in mind that if a vehicle is extremely rare and considered desirable stock, radical modifications are not likely to be well accepted by the 'dyed in wool' long time enthusiasts of that model.