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    Finally finished 64 R1

    One of 6 R1 4 spd 64 Daytona Convertibles full package cars.



    A bit rusty!

    Second hand 4 door floor installed ( red primer) and new hog troughs made and welded in.

    Floor finished, seam sealed and sound deadend.

    going back onto the refurbished frame.

    Replaced with a used trunk floor.... painted.

    Brian Greenall
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    Had to do two postings!





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    Excellent work! And I see a few familiar parts on her.

    Chris.

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    Absolutely gorgeous, Brian; what a treat to see such a resurrection.

    Is the same plan in place for the next-to-last convertible; the 4-speed Laguna Blue specimen from Quakertown, Pennsylvania? Is that car over there yet?

    Again, congratulations. The car looks straight and beautiful. BP
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    Excellent Brian, I have been waiting to see this finished . what a rare and lovely optioned Car,and Your level of restoration doesn't sway . what year Vette is that in front of the R1 in one picture ?
    Joseph R. Zeiger

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    Beautiful work.


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    Great work as usual Brian....I wish the OUTSIDE of my cars looked as good as that trunk floor does!!

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    Brian, absolutely beautiful work. Great job on bringing another one back to showroom new shape.

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    Thanks Chris for going past and beyond the call of duty to get the parts needed for this car to be ready in time for the show we had here!

    Ed, it has come up ok for just an old ACRYLIC LACQUER job!

    Jeff, thanks for the comment, its almost as nice as your red 64 hardtop, they would look good parked together!

    Joe, I think that was a 66 roadster I was working on at the time in the photo.

    But I am having a rest from studies for a while and I am building this 57 vette for my wife. Stroked out the 283 with a 327 crank and duel fours, 4 speed.




    Bob, that is the plan with the Laguna Blue 64 and no the car hasn't left Robs yet.
    He injured his eye a while back and it slowed him up getting the car ready for transport, no rush here, he will give me a call when its ready for pickup to go to Indy.
    In the mean time I purchased these three Packard Hawks North of you from Michigan City, from Joe Kutch. They will keep me busy!

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    Thanks Brian, that means a lot to me right now. I am glad to see there are still some guys out there building exceptional cars. People who know quality restoration are saying good things.....

    And acrylic paint is still the best when it come to finish, even if it takes 3 times the labor. I was speaking with a big dollar restorer who has built a few cars for Pebble Beach and the old school acrylic method is still the finish of choice amongst the best of the best. Looks like a million dollars on a Bugatti or a 1966 Stude sedan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by packardHawk58 View Post

    Bob, that is the plan with the Laguna Blue 64 and no the car hasn't left Robs yet.

    He injured his eye a while back and it slowed him up getting the car ready for transport, no rush here, he will give me a call when its ready for pickup to go to Indy.
    In the mean time I purchased these three Packard Hawks North of you from Michigan City, from Joe Kutch. They will keep me busy!

    OUCH! 'Sorry to hear about Rob's eye; 'hope he is on the mend. He worked so hard to get that Laguna Blue car removed from its certain above-ground grave.

    Did any of those northern Indiana Packard Hawks come from the estate of the late Ron Krasik of Clinton IN? I.e., did Joe Kutch perhaps acquire them from Ron several years ago?

    I ask because I know Ron's widow disposed of them, with help from SDCer Ernie Loga and myself, but I don't know where they went. They were significant in that Ron had two rough, but stored indoors, Packard Hawks with sequential Body Numbers!

    Cool beans, I thought. BP
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    Great work! The Laguna Blue car is calling you! All I need to do is get the rear wheels freed up. It's still complete as South Bend delivered it minus some metal thanks to the Northeast winter road salt here in the states. Hopefully you can take care of the missing pieces with the outstanding ability you have to bring this old girl back.
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    You are spot on Bob, those are the PH's I purchased!
    58LS 1193
    58LS 1194
    58LS 1263
    I thought you would know of them being not to far from you.
    Ironically I unloaded the first one today. The Shadowtone Red car.

    She's not a pretty sight but it is actually a reasonable solid car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packardHawk58 View Post
    You are spot on Bob, those are the PH's I purchased!
    58LS 1193
    58LS 1194
    58LS 1263
    I thought you would know of them being not to far from you.
    Ironically I unloaded the first one today. The Shadowtone Red car.
    She's not a pretty sight but it is actually a reasonable solid car.
    Cool beans, Brian, and congratulations.

    You are right; at least the Shadowtone Red car was a lot better than it looks in the photos.

    Ron had quite a collection of projects, but at least the ones with some promise were inside a new building, albeit on a partial dirt floor. He had another line of parts cars shedded outside; none worth restoring in my opinion.

    It's good to know at least some of them wound up in good homes. BP
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    Brian, Question: Are those Serial Numbers you posted? I understood Ron to have had two Packard Hawks with sequential body numbers, not serial numbers, but it has been quite a few years since I saw them, and I didn't take any photos. Two of the numbers you posted are sequential, but they are too high to be body numbers.

    They could also have sequential serial numbers, of course; entirely possible. 'Just asking. BP
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    Boy, you guys in Australia sure are hard on fiberglass. Are you hitting kangaroos a lot?

    Stunning convertible!
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    Bob, here they are,
    58LS 1193....58L-K9 227 Parchment White
    58LS 1194....58L-K9 191 Shadowtone Red
    58LS 1263 ...58L-K9 237 Canyon Copper
    So does this mean that 1194 came off the production line after 1193?
    Obviously by the body numbers they pluck out a shell at random!
    Forgot to say Bob, I did get a heap of extra parts with the deal, 5 PH nose-cones, hoods, supercharge engines, etc etc.
    Yes Scott they grow big Kangas out my way, the first one jumped on the nose cone and the second slammed the hood!

    No stress Rob, do it when you can, I guess the snow will be starting soon, we might have to leave it till after winter?



    I have heard of skinning animals but Packard Hawks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by packardHawk58 View Post
    Bob, here they are,
    58LS 1193....58L-K9 227 Parchment White
    58LS 1194....58L-K9 191 Shadowtone Red
    58LS 1263 ...58L-K9 237 Canyon Copper
    So does this mean that 1194 came off the production line after 1193?
    Obviously by the body numbers they pluck out a shell at random!
    Forgot to say Bob, I did get a heap of extra parts with the deal, 5 PH nose-cones, hoods, supercharge engines, etc etc.
    Yes Scott they grow big Kangas out my way, the first one jumped on the nose cone and the second slammed the hood!

    No stress Rob, do it when you can, I guess the snow will be starting soon, we might have to leave it till after winter?
    Thanks for the clarification, Brian; the Packard Hawks had consecutive serial numbers, not body numbers. The way the cars were crammed in the building, I couldn't see all the numbers when I was there because we couldn't get all the hoods and doors open far enough to see them.

    It's fun to speculate / imagine 1194 following 1193 down the assembly line and out the door, but I wouldn't make a definitive statement that such happened. It might be true, but could have been influenced on how they were "framed" for production, so I don't know if we could ever know for sure.

    An interesting pair nonetheless; thank good they survived at all. BP
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    Brian, hows about posting some pics of the interior and some under hood shots " so We can see what sports this beauty around " .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Brian, hows about posting some pics of the interior and some under hood shots " so We can see what sports this beauty around " .
    There you go Joe.
    We had the heads ported and flowed and with 10 to one compression ratio on hi octane fuel it really pulls well for a unblown car, especially with the 4 speed.
    Plus R3 headers and a 2 1/4 exhaust helps to make it flow.





    We also installed the factory style fabric trim inserts in the seats like what's in the 64 hardtop museum car.
    Might not be original for a convertible but they look good and you don't burn your butt on a hot day as with vinyl.
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    Excellent Brian, again fine results. is the dash n.o.s.,or was it restored ? I like the seats done that way,though I think these are the first ones I've seen this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Excellent Brian, again fine results. is the dash n.o.s.,or was it restored ? I like the seats done that way,though I think these are the first ones I've seen this way.
    Right, Joe. As Brian said, all 1964 convertible seats were vinyl. Those cloth inserts weren't available in convertibles, but were in hardtops. The upholstery in the subject convertible now matches that of the Studebaker National Museum's R1 Daytona hardtop, which has the standard (for hardtops) cloth inserts. BP
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    Bob, I always assumed Convs. were all Vinyl - "never gave much thought as for other options with them" but just never knew about Cloth inserts with Bucket Seats regardless of what Body type.nice too learn this,pictures are one thing but I may prefer the Cloth inserts . Bob, do any of Your 64s have these Seats ?

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    Right, Joe. As Brian said, all 1964 convertible seats were vinyl. Those cloth inserts weren't available in convertibles, but were in hardtops. The upholstery in the subject convertible now matches that of the Studebaker National Museum's R1 Daytona hardtop, which has the standard (for hardtops) cloth inserts. BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Bob, I always assumed Convs. were all Vinyl - "never gave much thought as for other options with them" but just never knew about Cloth inserts with Bucket Seats regardless of what Body type.nice too learn this,pictures are one thing but I may prefer the Cloth inserts . Bob, do any of Your 64s have these Seats ?
    Joe: In 1964, bucket seats or otherwise, cloth was the standard "insert" material for all Cruisers, Hawks and "Larks" except station wagons, convertibles, and Challengers. Station Wagons and Convertibles did not have cloth upholstery available, even as an extra-cost option.

    Ironically, you could pay $24 extra and get cloth in a Challenger...or pay $72 extra and get broadcloth in a Cruiser. It made no difference whether the Cruiser was ordered with bench or bucket or individual front seats.

    On Commanders, all vinyl was a $13.00 option. On Daytonas, Cruisers, and Hawks, all vinyl was a $31.74 option. (Don't ask about the $.74 above the $31.00 even; it was probably the same bean-counter who decided a dual-piston master cylinder by itself was a $9.01 option on Challengers; gotta get that last penny!)

    "All the above" deals with upholstery options. Seat options (i.e., bucket, individually-adjustable, with or without recliners, etc.) were priced separately.

    None of my '64s have cloth upholstery, although the Daytona sedan might. It came to me with nice, period cloth seat covers on it and I have never bothered to see what the original upholstery is or looks like underneath them. BP
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    Ok Bob,but just for the heck of it. as some say never say never,any thing to make a sale with Studebaker,yes - no - maybe

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    Joe: In 1964, bucket seats or otherwise, cloth was the standard "insert" material for all Cruisers, Hawks and "Larks" except station wagons, convertibles, and Challengers. Station Wagons and Convertibles did not have cloth upholstery available, even as an extra-cost option.

    Ironically, you could pay $24 extra and get cloth in a Challenger...or pay $72 extra and get broadcloth in a Cruiser. It made no difference whether the Cruiser was ordered with bench or bucket or individual front seats.

    On Commanders, all vinyl was a $13.00 option. On Daytonas, Cruisers, and Hawks, all vinyl was a $31.74 option. (Don't ask about the $.74 above the $31.00 even; it was probably the same bean-counter who decided a dual-piston master cylinder by itself was a $9.01 option on Challengers; gotta get that last penny!)

    "All the above" deals with upholstery options. Seat options (i.e., bucket, individually-adjustable, with or without recliners, etc.) were priced separately.

    None of my '64s have cloth upholstery, although the Daytona sedan might. It came to me with nice, period cloth seat covers on it and I have never bothered to see what the original upholstery is or looks like underneath them. BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Ok Bob,but just for the heck of it. as some say never say never,any thing to make a sale with Studebaker,yes - no - maybe
    Oh, I'd never doubt that Studebaker would have issued a deviation permit to permit an upholstery variance from the published ordering materials, Joe, if someone insisted. "Never say never" indeed.

    After all, unless there was an error on the Production Order, they did build 1964 Daytona convertible #64V7089 with an R2 engine and standard-duty, air-cooled, column-shift Flightomatic! BP
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    Well if an R2 WAS built that way,maybe They should have taken it a step further and fitted it with a Model 27 REAR . and if so maybe at some point a better transmission was installed

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    Oh, I'd never doubt that Studebaker would have issued a deviation permit to permit an upholstery variance from the published ordering materials, Joe, if someone insisted. "Never say never" indeed.

    After all, unless there was an error on the Production Order, they did build 1964 Daytona convertible #64V7089 with an R2 engine and standard-duty, air-cooled, column-shift Flightomatic! BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Well if an R2 WAS built that way,maybe They should have taken it a step further and fitted it with a Model 27 REAR . and if so maybe at some point a better transmission was installed
    Uh-oh. I hope they didn't think of that... BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Excellent Brian, again fine results. is the dash n.o.s.,or was it restored ? I like the seats done that way,though I think these are the first ones I've seen this way.
    Joe, everything on that dash is NOS, 160 speedo, R tacko, gauge cluster, pad, etc etc except the AM FM radio.
    I think they didn't want cloth trim in a convertible because the factory might believe it would fade early in the life of the car and might bring down a claim that the trim was no good.
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    Hey Brian,.....As soon as I hit the lottery, I'd like to ship 'The Doctor's Car' to you for a complete re-do!!...There's no one else I know that puts his heart into these Studebakers like you!

    Also,......Thanks for giving a plug to 'ACRYLIC LACQUER' as an exterior paint alternative! I get the impression that many Stude Forum participants haven't used or seen lacquer in a long while,......and have forgotten just how nice (and CORRECT) a 'lacquer job' really does look!!

    Under fluorescent lighting, NO OTHER paint looks as nice as lacquer,....thankfully without the 'Plastic Covered Bowling Ball' look of basecoat/clearcoat urethanes!

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    Ed, I have been waiting a week for you to chine in on that one!
    All the Corvettes I do the guys want them done in Lacquer to match the original appearance plus most of them are built to NCRS specs and they lose points if they are done in 2 stage/2pack we call it out here.
    The whole paint process is done with 2 stage primers mainly polyester spray filler for fibreglass and the Lacquer is only the last/top coat there fore there is no crackup or crows feet breakdown over a period of time.
    Sure you have to polish it a bit more but that's relaxing...isn't it?
    My buddy has a car that I painted 33 years ago and it still looks good !
    But the days are upon us when it won't be available for purchase.
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    Yes Brian, you're idea of using a two-part primer is a good one....no matter what type of topcoat paint will be applied.

    In our shop we always use a product called "Five Star Extreme"....it's a grey "2K" (two part) primer, which needs it's special activator to 'set up' or harden......Thinned out with reducer, it also can be used as an excellent overall sealer.....and as you say, keeps the paint topcoats very 'happy' for years to come!!

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    Beautiful craftsmanship, Brian! I am envious! My only recommendation is replacing that speedometer with a metric one. I just so happen to have a NOS one on my shelf....

    In the middle of MinneSTUDEa.

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    The Canyon Copper Packard Hawk I am pretty sure is the one I pulled from a barn in Washington ,Ill in 1986 , but never got started on...found anther 50m original one, and sold that one, with a body shell

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    Hey thanks for the input Bruce, that's really interesting knowing some history of the car.
    I have some old titles with the car, a name on one of them is Ronald Krasek.
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    Fitted with Halibrands now.
    Just seeing if the Photobucket is working again.

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    Wow, what a great ride. The steering wheel is even in the right place.
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    Excellent work ! I really like that high tech rotisserie !

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    Really pretty, Brian; thanks and congratulations.

    "New" Photobucket worked OK, eh? BP
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    Thanks Bob, yeah I will start posting picture's again of my latest project, its just so easy to use.
    I am glad it is up and running again.

    Calvin, I know you are only pulling my leg on the rotisserie but I had to weld 2" square, 3 mm think tube, in a perimeter onto various points of the car to hold it rigid so as when I fitted the new floor pan and new hogtroughs it wouldn't move.
    You take out the floor centre on a convertible and there is nothing left holding it
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