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    As far as R-1 style air cleaners are concerned S.I. has them for both sizes for the stock Stude AFB's & the Edelbrock carbs. See page 188 of the 2014 catalog.
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    What Huh-- I still think putting the coolant sensor on the top of the water manifold is easiest (drill, tap, install, connect wires) easier than building a housing to retain it and the thermostat without it leaking somewhere, but could you measure the top flange to base flange height, without the adapter? I've looked at various set ups but they never show that critical measurement. Then I could guess if it will work with an after market bonnet for my R2 Avanti, without needing to shim the body.

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    Well my one day break turned into 3 but I have updates...

    First things first, here are those measurements for karterfred



    Now, I decided to raise my coolant neck with a spacer in order to put my CTS there. One problem that was pointed out to me ... There is no recess for the thermostat to fit into.



    A quick solution that I came up with was to put it in my drill press and see if a hole saw would give me the correct recess that the thermostat needs.
    Turns out that the thermostat is 2 1/8". So I aligned the spacer with the hole saw and started to go to town, remembering that I only need to take off a little more than 1/32nd of material.





    You will see in this picture that the 2 1/8th hole saw didnt take all the material off that I needed so I put a 2" hole saw in the drill press to shave the material off



    cut a little, measure a lot, cut a little, measure a lot .... you get the idea ... you eventually get this



    And when compared to the original neck, it looks spot on to me



    Now put that sucker together

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    I have also moved the O2 sensor more upstream. The directions said that "ideally" that the sensor should be 2-4" past the collector but at least 8" away from the nearest exhaust valve. Well the farthest upstream that I could get the O2 sensor was 6" from the collector flange, while still making it accessible and not blocking anything else. Much better then the previous location which was 21"

    Also install electric fan and relay, and started running fuel lines. Hopefully get pictures of the fuel lines later
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    Nice work. Keep it coming.

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    Here's a picture of the temp sensor I mentioned back in post #17
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    garrilla,
    Just a word of warning. That cute little gas filter you have is exactly like the one which nearly burned my 37 coupe up when it a came apart driving on I 80. It did not unscrew.
    The threads just failed and allowed gas to spray over the engine and down the side of the car. I still do not understand why it did not ignite. I wouldn't put another mile on it with that in place if I were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrilla View Post
    Here's a picture of the temp sensor I mentioned back in post #17
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    I like that... Nice clean install
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5brown1 View Post
    garrilla,
    Just a word of warning. That cute little gas filter you have is exactly like the one which nearly burned my 37 coupe up when it a came apart driving on I 80. It did not unscrew.
    The threads just failed and allowed gas to spray over the engine and down the side of the car. I still do not understand why it did not ignite. I wouldn't put another mile on it with that in place if I were you.
    What cute little gas filter are you referring to.... The black one that came with the kit? That's the only threaded one I have

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    Filter looks like a 10 micron marine filter, if so the body is glass, not plastic. They work well, as well as the OEM glass bowl style, or better. I don't like rubber hoses for connectors, but that's just my paranoid self, Stude used rubber on the Avanti set up as did most all manufacturers in the day of carburetors. Many more Fords igniting with the hose next to the distributor than with Stude's rear mounted distributor. But you might want to tighten down that manifold bolt. Before, 11-2-2017 anyway
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    [QUOTE=what huh;954699]Well my one day break turned into 3 but I have updates...

    First things first, here are those measurements for karterfred

    Thanks, finally found the drawings on their site, took a lot of digging though, now to measure up the AFB with hat, and see where it comes out. Nide job on the T'Stat housing BTW.

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    what huh,
    apparently you did not notice that I addressed the warning to garrilla and his picture, not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5brown1 View Post
    garrilla,
    Just a word of warning. That cute little gas filter you have is exactly like the one which nearly burned my 37 coupe up when it a came apart driving on I 80. It did not unscrew.
    The threads just failed and allowed gas to spray over the engine and down the side of the car. I still do not understand why it did not ignite. I wouldn't put another mile on it with that in place if I were you.
    I had the same problem with one that looked exactly like the one in the picture. Luckily, I notice the puddle of gas under it before I started the engine that day. Looked like a great idea and well built but it didn't turn out that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5brown1 View Post
    garrilla,
    Just a word of warning. That cute little gas filter you have is exactly like the one which nearly burned my 37 coupe up when it a came apart driving on I 80. It did not unscrew.
    The threads just failed and allowed gas to spray over the engine and down the side of the car. I still do not understand why it did not ignite. I wouldn't put another mile on it with that in place if I were you.
    Thank you for the heads up! I'll replace that with a one piece filter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karterfred88 View Post
    Filter looks like a 10 micron marine filter, if so the body is glass, not plastic. They work well, as well as the OEM glass bowl style, or better. I don't like rubber hoses for connectors, but that's just my paranoid self, Stude used rubber on the Avanti set up as did most all manufacturers in the day of carburetors. Many more Fords igniting with the hose next to the distributor than with Stude's rear mounted distributor. But you might want to tighten down that manifold bolt. Before, 11-2-2017 anyway
    That bolt is where I removed the ground cable for my rewire project. It will be tightened when the cable is put back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5brown1 View Post
    what huh,
    apparently you did not notice that I addressed the warning to garrilla and his picture, not yours.
    oh ...hahaha ok
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    Question for you all out there:

    I understand the timing aspect of "ING" on the crank pulley as well as the line next to "ING" .

    Being that I have install electronic ignition and efi.... Where do you think would be a good place to eyeball that pointer in order to start the motor? I plan on timing it with a light once it is running.

    Garrilla,... Do you know off the top of your head where your timing ended up getting set at?

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    Is Dave T's distributor fully electronic, or still uses vacuum advance and mechanical advance? If so the FITech unit won't be doing the timing, so leave it set where it is normally. If you bought the super whammy one with the two prong plug on the side, you'll need to "lock it down" and let the EFI handle timing and follow one of the "optional" wiring set ups and put away the timing light forever.

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    Huuurrrrrryyyyyy up. I'm very excited to find out how the fi tech system works. I want one so bad its crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad01 View Post
    Huuurrrrrryyyyyy up. I'm very excited to find out how the fi tech system works. I want one so bad its crazy.
    Im working on it.... been layed up in bed. Racked my back and then finished up that ordeal with a cold/flu. I will be back at it soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by what huh View Post
    Im working on it.... been layed up in bed. Racked my back and then finished up that ordeal with a cold/flu. I will be back at it soon

    Keep your pants on
    Charles, sorry to hear that you have been laid up with physical issues. The car can wait until you are fully healed.
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    No worries, its actually been kinda nice having an excuse to take a couple of days off work.
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    OK Im back, Sorry for the delay. Once I didnt meet my own dead line I let other thing get in the way.

    I got the fuel system done today. Had to fab up a few things as this EFI unit is set up to fit most and Studebaker is not most.

    the FCC (fuel command center) is set up for 3/8 fuel line.... studebaker uses 5/16 so I made this from the parts at Lowes brass fitting section. It is a 5/16 hose barb to male thread, a bushing, to a 3/8 hose barb to female thread.



    Here is the fitting that I placed in the fuel fill tube to allow the FCC to vent into the tank/fuel system. I put this fitting high enough in the fuel fill tube so that when filling up with gas the nozzle goes past the fitting. Wouldn't want to fill my vent up with fuel. nothing special here, ... just drilled a hole just bigger then the threads on the fitting, tapped it in with the fitting and use JBweld to seal it fuel tight.



    Here is the line I made using the 5/16 to 3/8 adapter that I made from lowes parts. This line goes from mech fuel pump to low pressure on the FCC



    Here is the FCC all plumbed up



    Not much left to do now, ... this is the part I hate with a big build, the first start. I have a check list to go threw before I turn the key the first time. so stay tuned. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next week. I will be taking video of first start and timing motor.

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    Thanks for the update, looking forward to the videos of start up.

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    Are you guys ready for a video...

    I think I have made you all wait long enough

    uploading to Youtube now.... will post link as soon as it done
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    And we go Live in 3.....2.....1

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    smoked like crazy but I did spill oil everywhere by mistake few weeks back .... also motor hasnt been started in forever.

    Need to button some things up which include cleaning up my wiring, putting in antifreeze, getting down on all four and rolling it outside so that I can let her come to full temperture, stuff like that ... boring stuff

    IM SO STOKED, this was the first start after a 3 year long wait from when I got my first studebaker that I eventually used for parts to build this truck. CANT WAIT to button things up and go pick up my grandfather for lunch! I owe it to him for getting me into studebakers
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    Too cool!!! Good job, keep us informed as far as the first drive.
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    Great job! Where are all the exhaust fumes going since you're backed in the garage?

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    Keep us posted on how it works out. I am seriously considering this for my Champ.
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    Outstanding!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim333 View Post
    Great job! Where are all the exhaust fumes going since you're backed in the garage?
    The passenger side of the truck is an exterior wall... there is a fan in the window drawing air out while the garage door was open.

    My next step is to get the truck on 4 wheels, test the brakes, add coolant and flip her around
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    Congtrats on your project! Keep the info coming, it's great to see one of you young folks loving the Stude stuff. Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt View Post
    Keep us posted on how it works out. I am seriously considering this for my Champ.
    I HIGHLY recommend it... easy to install, just take the directions one step at a time.

    I will keep everyone updated as the time comes for the first test drive, but I need to button and clean things up first ...you know, all the boring stuff that seems to take forever!

    Did I mention that I need a seat? Going to have to take care of that at some point
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    too cool. I know there is no Canadian supplier yet but may be when holley comes out with their kit to compete with fi tech some one will stock it. Thanks for the vid.
    My wife doesn't tell me when supper is ready any more. She knows where I am and I know where it is when I'm hungry. LOL
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    FIRST DRIVE JUST HAPPENED

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIVQfkIlD4I

    I was fairly certain that the drive shaft I had wasnt going to work cause I thought it was shortened properly.... sure enough the test drive showed me how much even a slight out of true a driveshaft is will mess things up... my wife started to get scared toward the end of the jump around the block we made it home no problem

    as of right now I need a driveshaft and I can start using her for what ever I please
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    Quote Originally Posted by what huh View Post
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    as of right now I need a driveshaft and I can start using her for what ever I please
    Sounds kinky

    (Congrats on the first drive.. Sounded great!)
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    Awesome!! Love your truck
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEEPNHOCK View Post
    Sounds kinky

    (Congrats on the first drive.. Sounded great!)

    BAHAHA totally didnt see that
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    In the video, looks like you are gonna need some time to get used to, "armstrong" PS. But Lester Schmidt (now deceased) drove his armstrong equipped TRANSTAR for decades, into his 80s. So I am sure you will do just fine with yours too.

    That Stude V8 sounds raring to go. I predict you'll be especially thankful for the EFI come summer, when it won't know what, "vapor lock" is.

    Definitely do not scrimp on a proper drive shaft though. If its an OEM Stude truck drive shaft, you may be able to locate one. If not, you can surely have one made, but it ain't gonna be cheap!

    Good luck, and keep us posted please.

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