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    What the 67 Studebaker may have looked like

    I just received my copy of Collectible Automobile (Feb. 2008). There is a great interview with a designer by the name of Bob Marcks. He started out at Ford but then left and went with Loewy and worked with Bob Bourke on the 53 Studebaker. He went back to Ford but then left again and started his own design firm. He was hired by Studebaker do the 66 model.

    He did several designs for future Studebakers, including raising the rear bumper on the 66. He proposed a design with a front end similar to the 53 and one with a similar rear window like the 47-53 Starlight coupes, but, as we all know, there would be no more Studebakers.

    He later joined Chrysler in 1973 and worked on the Cordoba and Dodge Magnum and other Chrysler products.





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    Man, the car in the bottom pair of drawings is some ugly! The middle right is not too bad, the middle left looks very Mopar-ish.

    The raised rear bumper actually looks very good in real life. Art Southworth in Edmonton did that on the "convertible '67" that he built many years ago. Vern Spencer showed that car at the Spokane International Meet, and some here may remember seeing it. Craig Parslow will have photos of it, I'm sure.

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    Man, the car in the bottom pair of drawings is some ugly! The middle right is not too bad, the middle left looks very Mopar-ish.

    The raised rear bumper actually looks very good in real life. Art Southworth in Edmonton did that on the "convertible '67" that he built many years ago. Vern Spencer showed that car at the Spokane International Meet, and some here may remember seeing it. Craig Parslow will have photos of it, I'm sure.

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    quote:Originally posted by gordr
    Craig Parslow will have photos of it, I'm sure.
    Indeed I do!!

    Here are a couple I took not long after Vern bought it, and the 1977 article from Special Interest Autos magazine Art got the idea from...







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    quote:Originally posted by gordr
    Craig Parslow will have photos of it, I'm sure.
    Indeed I do!!

    Here are a couple I took not long after Vern bought it, and the 1977 article from Special Interest Autos magazine Art got the idea from...







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    I don't know why Stude didn't raise the rear bumper in '64. IMHO that is the most ungainly, awkward part of that car, and the '67 prototype looks just right.

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    I don't know why Stude didn't raise the rear bumper in '64. IMHO that is the most ungainly, awkward part of that car, and the '67 prototype looks just right.

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    The next to the last one looks like a cross between a 1962 Pontiac and a Citroen (spelling).

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    The next to the last one looks like a cross between a 1962 Pontiac and a Citroen (spelling).

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    I remember seeing that SIA article and I still have it somewhere. The thing that struck me about raising the rear bumper is that I always felt that Studebaker was the first to raise the rear bumper. If you look at the 53 Studebaker the rear fender goes up to the bumper and there is a pan under it. Other cars of that time had the bumper very low and emphasized the very bottom of the bumper by the protrusion. That is one of the things that makes the 53 Studebakers so appealing. The Avanti also has a high rear bumper.

    Here is a comparison of the Stude, Ford and Chevy





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    I remember seeing that SIA article and I still have it somewhere. The thing that struck me about raising the rear bumper is that I always felt that Studebaker was the first to raise the rear bumper. If you look at the 53 Studebaker the rear fender goes up to the bumper and there is a pan under it. Other cars of that time had the bumper very low and emphasized the very bottom of the bumper by the protrusion. That is one of the things that makes the 53 Studebakers so appealing. The Avanti also has a high rear bumper.

    Here is a comparison of the Stude, Ford and Chevy





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    gord,

    that one drawing - middle right - that you find attractive, that's very much like the Frua-bodied Lark that Pat Drnec brought over from Italy!

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    gord,

    that one drawing - middle right - that you find attractive, that's very much like the Frua-bodied Lark that Pat Drnec brought over from Italy!

    Whoa! My EIGHT THOUSANDTH POST! Shouldn't there be the sound of gold coins clanking into a catch pan or something???[:0][]

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    Did that Lark survive (the black one in the photo I mean)?
    I seem to recall an article in a 2006 TW about a guy in Victoria who created a "1967" Stude.

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    Did that Lark survive (the black one in the photo I mean)?
    I seem to recall an article in a 2006 TW about a guy in Victoria who created a "1967" Stude.

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    Last I knew the drawings in Collectable Automobile are owned by a GM Dealer in NC. I think he owns a Chevy Dealership in Raligh or some where close to that. Have seen them up close and personal at a large Concours Show and they were extremely interesting. I was surprised when I got my Magazine last week and saw this article but I've come to understand that once or twice a year they run Studebaker related material. This a great car magazine and has been for a long time.

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    Last I knew the drawings in Collectable Automobile are owned by a GM Dealer in NC. I think he owns a Chevy Dealership in Raligh or some where close to that. Have seen them up close and personal at a large Concours Show and they were extremely interesting. I was surprised when I got my Magazine last week and saw this article but I've come to understand that once or twice a year they run Studebaker related material. This a great car magazine and has been for a long time.

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    quote:Last I knew the drawings in Collectable Automobile are owned by a GM Dealer in NC. I think he owns a Chevy Dealership in Raligh or some where close to that.
    Would that be Bob Yale, Jr.? His dad, Bob Yale, Sr. was a Chevy dealer in NC and had a wonderful collection of Studebakers. He was killed an an auto crash, I think.

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    quote:Last I knew the drawings in Collectable Automobile are owned by a GM Dealer in NC. I think he owns a Chevy Dealership in Raligh or some where close to that.
    Would that be Bob Yale, Jr.? His dad, Bob Yale, Sr. was a Chevy dealer in NC and had a wonderful collection of Studebakers. He was killed an an auto crash, I think.

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    Um, where do you put gas in the car? I don't see any gas cap or cover. If it's behind the license plate wouldn't that mean the bumper is in two sections with a gap in the middle? That's apparently not the case.

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    Um, where do you put gas in the car? I don't see any gas cap or cover. If it's behind the license plate wouldn't that mean the bumper is in two sections with a gap in the middle? That's apparently not the case.

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    Yes that is correct. He had a display of all of the original drawings and it was wonderful to see. W had quite a conversation that day. Sure wish they were mine but glad to know they are safe and secure in the hands of a Studebaker collector.

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    Yes that is correct. He had a display of all of the original drawings and it was wonderful to see. W had quite a conversation that day. Sure wish they were mine but glad to know they are safe and secure in the hands of a Studebaker collector.

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    In the drawing or the actual convertible? In the drawing is shows a flip down bumper. On the convertible, I'll bet it's just been moved INSIDE the trunk. That would be the easiest thing to do.

    quote:Originally posted by Scott

    Um, where do you put gas in the car? I don't see any gas cap or cover. If it's behind the license plate wouldn't that mean the bumper is in two sections with a gap in the middle? That's apparently not the case.
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    In the drawing or the actual convertible? In the drawing is shows a flip down bumper. On the convertible, I'll bet it's just been moved INSIDE the trunk. That would be the easiest thing to do.

    quote:Originally posted by Scott

    Um, where do you put gas in the car? I don't see any gas cap or cover. If it's behind the license plate wouldn't that mean the bumper is in two sections with a gap in the middle? That's apparently not the case.
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    I actually meant the prototype and the convertible. I can see why they might have put it in the trunk for the prototype. I don't think if they had left it that way for production it would have helped sales. Volkswagens had the filler tube in the trunk until the late sixties or early seventies when they added a door on the outside. They wouldn't have done that if marketing didn't show it to be a sales advantage.

    A swing down or up bumper sounds pretty weird. I wonder how it could have been accomplished without the bumper hitting something.[?]

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    I actually meant the prototype and the convertible. I can see why they might have put it in the trunk for the prototype. I don't think if they had left it that way for production it would have helped sales. Volkswagens had the filler tube in the trunk until the late sixties or early seventies when they added a door on the outside. They wouldn't have done that if marketing didn't show it to be a sales advantage.

    A swing down or up bumper sounds pretty weird. I wonder how it could have been accomplished without the bumper hitting something.[?]

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    The black car reminds me of the beloved 63 Rambler Classic we had when I was a child. Yes, it had a high bumper.

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    The black car reminds me of the beloved 63 Rambler Classic we had when I was a child. Yes, it had a high bumper.

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    Bob Marcks was a speaker at the '06 AOAI meet in Palm Springs. Both he and his presentation were fascinating!

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    [quote]Originally posted by lstude

    I just received my copy of Collectible Automobile (Feb. 2008). There is a great interview with a designer by the name of Bob Marcks. He started out at Ford but then left and went with Loewy and worked with Bob Bourke on the 53 Studebaker. He went back to Ford but then left again and started his own design firm. He was hired by Studebaker do the 66 model.

    He did several designs for future Studebakers, including raising the rear bumper on the 66. He proposed a design with a front end similar to the 53 and one with a similar rear window like the 47-53 Starlight coupes, but, as we all know, there would be no more Studebakers.

    He later joined Chrysler in 1973 and worked on the Cordoba and Dodge Magnum and other Chrysler products.

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    Bob Marcks was a speaker at the '06 AOAI meet in Palm Springs. Both he and his presentation were fascinating!

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    [quote]Originally posted by lstude

    I just received my copy of Collectible Automobile (Feb. 2008). There is a great interview with a designer by the name of Bob Marcks. He started out at Ford but then left and went with Loewy and worked with Bob Bourke on the 53 Studebaker. He went back to Ford but then left again and started his own design firm. He was hired by Studebaker do the 66 model.

    He did several designs for future Studebakers, including raising the rear bumper on the 66. He proposed a design with a front end similar to the 53 and one with a similar rear window like the 47-53 Starlight coupes, but, as we all know, there would be no more Studebakers.

    He later joined Chrysler in 1973 and worked on the Cordoba and Dodge Magnum and other Chrysler products.

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    quote:Originally posted by lstude

    quote:Last I knew the drawings in Collectable Automobile are owned by a GM Dealer in NC. I think he owns a Chevy Dealership in Raligh or some where close to that.
    Would that be Bob Yale, Jr.? His dad, Bob Yale, Sr. was a Chevy dealer in NC and had a wonderful collection of Studebakers. He was killed an an auto crash, I think.

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    I remember Bob Yale as owning jewelry stores. I didn't know that he owned a car dealership.
    I believe that he died, much later, as the result of an accident in one of his modified Studebakers (thrown through the sun roof).
    I don't find Bob Marcks' name in a listing of Bourke's Studebaker Styling Group 1951-1952.

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    quote:Originally posted by lstude

    quote:Last I knew the drawings in Collectable Automobile are owned by a GM Dealer in NC. I think he owns a Chevy Dealership in Raligh or some where close to that.
    Would that be Bob Yale, Jr.? His dad, Bob Yale, Sr. was a Chevy dealer in NC and had a wonderful collection of Studebakers. He was killed an an auto crash, I think.

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    I remember Bob Yale as owning jewelry stores. I didn't know that he owned a car dealership.
    I believe that he died, much later, as the result of an accident in one of his modified Studebakers (thrown through the sun roof).
    I don't find Bob Marcks' name in a listing of Bourke's Studebaker Styling Group 1951-1952.

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    Great Bob congrats on 8000 posts .Just send us all the coins you got clinking around.Or stude parts.

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    Great Bob congrats on 8000 posts .Just send us all the coins you got clinking around.Or stude parts.

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    If you look closely at the gold car that looks very GMish, it looks like it has 53 tail lights and rear bumper.

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    If you look closely at the gold car that looks very GMish, it looks like it has 53 tail lights and rear bumper.

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    quote:Originally posted by lstude
    Would that be Bob Yale, Jr.? His dad, Bob Yale, Sr. was a Chevy dealer in NC and had a wonderful collection of Studebakers. He was killed an an auto crash, I think.
    Any relation to Paul Yale in NC? That is who my yellow buggy came from.


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    quote:Originally posted by lstude
    Would that be Bob Yale, Jr.? His dad, Bob Yale, Sr. was a Chevy dealer in NC and had a wonderful collection of Studebakers. He was killed an an auto crash, I think.
    Any relation to Paul Yale in NC? That is who my yellow buggy came from.


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    The gold car looks kind of like a 1978 Oldsmobile 88 4-door, particularly in the greenhouse area. Front looks like a 1977-1980 full-size Buick. It would also be interesting to see photos of how (or if) the designers contemplated any interior changes for 1967. With what they probably had to work with moneywise the changes contemplated on the top car illustrated, including the raised bumper, would have been very attractive. A flip-down bumper would have been a real joy at the gas station on a frozen slushy morning!

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