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    Quote Originally Posted by qsanford View Post
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    They may even face claims of mental anguish by some environmentalists who realize the "green" cars they have been driving weren't so green!
    Well, in this country you can file a lawsuit at any time against anyone for any reason. ....that does not mean you can prevail in court.
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    Hi

    VW has set themselves up to experience what might best be described by a gentle paraphrase: "Hell hath no fury like customers deceived on purpose!"

    Whatever the outcome and however costly it ultimately proves to be, it is simply just desserts!

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    Besides the ultra pricey BMW and Mercedes Diesels, few will remember that VW was the only manufacturer to offer a low price, volume type Diesel in recent years. Could it be this defeat device was the only way to do that? Could it be that unreasonable regulation drove them to do this to try to save a niche market they have traditionally had quite a hold on? In any case, the truth came out. And the forces that made them semi-successful in the past are now working endlessly toward their demise.

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    No matter how you look at it. Burning 20% more fuel to be clean offsets the environmental damage in one area to another. Sure is brings the smog levels down in the city's but brings up the release of gases from producing wells in other areas. The semi you follow is so clean now but only gets 4-6mpg bringing you your food but 10 years ago that same semi got 9-12 if tuned properly . Its just too bad they are going to throw the book at vw . We buy cars like that because they last and they get 50-60mpg. This saves big money in our pockets in the long run. Any car that gets 60mpg should be epa exempt..

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    Please state your sources for your mileage claims, past and present (regarding class 6/7/8 trucks).
    Hard to pin down because vocations are so varied a 'mile' means something totally different in an over the road semi and a refuse truck.
    Today, several truck engine mfr's are pushing 10 mpg, which is a huge increase from the 6mpg avg of years past.
    Not nitpicking, but real curious... I just did some searching and FMVS and NHTSA and TMC sources do not have readily available data.
    Hopefully you can provide some....


    Quote Originally Posted by conrad01 View Post
    No matter how you look at it. Burning 20% more fuel to be clean offsets the environmental damage in one area to another. Sure is brings the smog levels down in the city's but brings up the release of gases from producing wells in other areas. The semi you follow is so clean now but only gets 4-6mpg bringing you your food but 10 years ago that same semi got 9-12 if tuned properly . Its just too bad they are going to throw the book at vw . We buy cars like that because they last and they get 50-60mpg. This saves big money in our pockets in the long run. Any car that gets 60mpg should be epa exempt..
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    Couple weeks ago I was in a local dealer's to look at a used car. In their showroom were 2 used Porsche Cayenne's. Surprised me to see the chrome "Diesel" badge on the fender of one of them.

    Somehow I can't get the contrast of a 80s 911 supercar from old C&D mag articles when I was in HS with these big soap-bar looking SUVs with my old perception of a "truck & tractor" engine.

    Given Porsche is part of the VW Corp, wonder if this issue also applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad01 View Post
    No matter how you look at it. Burning 20% more fuel to be clean offsets the environmental damage in one area to another. Sure is brings the smog levels down in the city's but brings up the release of gases from producing wells in other areas. The semi you follow is so clean now but only gets 4-6mpg bringing you your food but 10 years ago that same semi got 9-12 if tuned properly . Its just too bad they are going to throw the book at vw . We buy cars like that because they last and they get 50-60mpg. This saves big money in our pockets in the long run. Any car that gets 60mpg should be epa exempt..
    The question of "how much is enough?" is a legitimate question that should/would be debated by both national legislatures and local govts worldwide. In fact, I wrote a column about that very issue in TW about 15 years ago. A simple example is: How many dollars and man-hours should be devoted to finding and rescuing a hiker/skier lost on a mountain, especially if the rescuers are likely to be in danger themselves? If a rescuer dies during the rescue, was that a worthwhile investment? If rescuing one person consumes the entire annual budget of a rescue squad, was that worth it? It's a simple cost-vs-benefit analysis that must be applied to a very complicated and controversial subject that is NOT susceptible to such an analysis. The US Congress has the authority to set standards for how many (theoretical) people would be "saved" from the effects of air pollution for how much of an investment in lower gas mileage and higher vehicle and fuel costs. Congress (understandably) has punted on that question and left it up to the EPA -- which catches hell from one side or the other no matter what standard they set. It's also worth noting that politics (eg, lobbyists and pressure groups) play a large role in what is decided -- just like they do in most aspects of national politics.

    The air pollution regs are designed to reduce both smog-producers (like CO and NOx) and airborne particulates in order to protect the public (especially those with existing health problems) from their deleterious effects. The particulates standard is the one that most affects diesels. VW is getting slammed not because they couldn't meet the standard, but because they (in effect) lied by creating a system that would fool the measuring equipment into thinking that they were passing when they weren't. That is a much more serious violation that just producing vehicles that flunk the standard.

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    We own a TDI and love it. The torque just works well with San Francisco hills.

    If the "defeat device" was in effect when the EPA calculated the fuel economy rating of 42 mpg, it would explain why drivers frequently exceed that rating in real world driving. On our frequent freeway trips, we usually average 45-48 mpg. Couple that with current diesel prices (in SF Bay Area) about 60-80 cents/gal. less than gas and the economy is that much sweeter. Plus, it's wrapped in a great package that's very fun to drive.

    VW reprogrammed our injection system on a service recall about 7 months ago, and there has been no perceptible difference in performance. I don't mind giving up some hp. It's the torque I like.

    We received a letter of intent from VW to rectify the situation and compensate owners for losses (resale value?). If it is of interest, I'll post here when they eventually decide what to do. Lots of speculation...AdBlue tank retrofit?...Different exhaust system?...Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEEPNHOCK View Post
    Please state your sources for your mileage claims, past and present (regarding class 6/7/8 trucks).
    Hard to pin down because vocations are so varied a 'mile' means something totally different in an over the road semi and a refuse truck.
    Today, several truck engine mfr's are pushing 10 mpg, which is a huge increase from the 6mpg avg of years past.
    Not nitpicking, but real curious... I just did some searching and FMVS and NHTSA and TMC sources do not have readily available data.
    Hopefully you can provide some....
    The mechanic I work with hauled grain with super bees. Had a 2006 pete 379 with a 500hp cat. He got 10mpg loaded. His brother has a 2014 pete with all the crap on it and got 4-5mpg. He did a delete on it after the soot buildup took the cam out of the engine. The truck now has over 600hp and is now getting 10-12mpg cummins power . There is also a friend who owns a flushby company up here with 6 trucks . All the same model 2009 western star with the twin turbo cat engine. After doing the deletes he can go 3 xtra days at work where he would only get 2 days out of 1000l of fuel. Those trucks were extremely dangerous when they were attached to the oil well and started going through a burn off.

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    As for my trucks I have a 2008 ram 2500 with the 6.7 cummins. Was getting 14l per 100km . At 100000km I did the deletes and now at 369000km I am getting 11.2l per 100km.

    My 2012 had the emissions removed at 20000km just so I don't have to have any repairs done on the engine. At -35c when I work out side my truck runs. With the emission equipment on the trucks it wont allow me to idle it to stay warm. I don't make money if the truck is down. That's the joy of the Canadian oil field.

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    Hitler Reacts To The VW-EPA Scandal Dieselgate (caution, some "colorful" language)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp View Post
    Hitler Reacts To The VW-EPA Scandal Dieselgate
    Thanks for posting. I have yet to see any of the various scenarios inserted into this video that doesn't make me fall over laughing. YUP!! My German sense of humor I guess!! Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post

    Somehow I can't get the contrast of a 80s 911 supercar from old C&D mag articles when I was in HS with these big soap-bar looking SUVs with my old perception of a "truck & tractor" engine.
    "Truck and tractor" engines can deliver some pretty spectacular performances.

    If you're old enough, you might remember Freddie Agabashian putting a six cylinder Cummins diesel on the pole at Indianapolis.

    You could say that Freddie's diesel *smoked* the Offenhausers that day.



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    I have always loved that cummins race car. It was built by Frank Kurtis's shop.

    On the original subject, I would not be surprised if none of the current diesels are actually legal. It would be interesting if all the mfgrs are gaming the test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hank63 View Post
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    "The latest" here on damage control / remediation:

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...ews-firstshift

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    So are diesels taking an Oldsmobile 88 sized hit in reputation again in the USA?

    BTW, was that the jump the shark point that sent Olds going the same way as Studebaker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    "The latest" here on damage control / remediation:

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...ews-firstshift

    BP
    Spoke with a representative from VW Canada (2015/11/18) and they have no such program at this time. They will however confirm whether a vehicle is effected if you supply them with with the VIN or you can go to the website. Still nothing other than an apology letter from VW Canada.

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    More interesting diesel scam info here...and some interesting, unrelated Tesla material:

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...autonews-annow
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    Looks like VW is going to sell off some brands....

    http://interestingengineering.com/vw...ni-and-ducati/

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    VWs emissions scandal costs may force them to sell Bugatti, Lamborghini and Ducati
    Business December 5, 2015LARA LOPES
    Faced with the possibility of astronomical costs due to the emissions fraud scandal, Volkswagen may have to consider downsizing their 12-brand empire built over the past two decades, which produces from cars to motorcycles to trucks. Bugatti, Lamborghini, and Ducati might be some of the expendable brands for not having such satisfactory profits.


    Although in the past the German group could afford to sustain these superfluous assets, this money will now be needed to help cover the costs of their financial crisis.


    VW has several brands that fall into the nice to have category, said Stefan Bratzel, director of the Center of Automotive Management at the University of Applied Sciences in Bergisch Gladbach, Germany, estimating the scandal will cost VW as much as 30 billion euros ($34 billion). Bugatti, Lamborghini, Ducati too theyre not core to the company in terms of making money.
    Although VW did not yet disclose the specific financial figures of Lamborghini and Bugatti, neither contribute significantly to the final results of the group.


    Bugatti is among the most superfluous things in the Volkswagen Group, said Frank Schwope, a Hanover, Germany-based analyst with NordLB. Its an image enhancer in good times, but in bad times like now, people are likely to point their finger at the brand wondering what VW seeks to achieve.
    In addition to these brands, analysts also point to the sale of Scania in Sweden or MAN in Germany, both of which are also struggling to show significant profits.


    Last week, the automaker announced that it will recall 8.5 million diesel vehicles in Europe to rectify diesel engines affected by the fraudulent software. Chief Executive Officer Matthias Mueller says the scandal consequences will cost much more than the 6.5 billion euros that the automaker has already made available to cover the costs.


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    looks like they need a bailout, maybe Greece.

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    It didn't take long for the comedians to come out....

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    Personally, I think the new marketing plan/strategy being developed here is a good one, in light of all that has "come down" against them:

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...ews-firstshift

    Good thinking. BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    Personally, I think the new marketing plan/strategy being developed here is a good one, in light of all that has "come down" against them:

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...ews-firstshift

    Good thinking. BP
    Their plan reminds me of this family-oriented VW ad from a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zrFcto9i28 So I don't know if its a 'new' idea on their part.

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    i bought a 2013 jetta wagon. one month on i am loving it. been getting 40 mpg running 75 on trip. just got my $1000 incentive package.
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    I applied for my $1000. incentive package the first day that you could register according to VW it is in the mail and yet I am still waiting. If you want to phone their customer relations call line they are experiencing heavier than normal traffic, I waited 45 minutes the first time and 59 minutes the second time. iThe regional marketing manager is looking into it for me. I hope that I am successful in receiving my package. My son who filed his application nearly two weeks after me has received his package.

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    took not much over 2 weeks for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t walgamuth View Post
    i bought a 2013 jetta wagon. one month on i am loving it. been getting 40 mpg running 75 on trip. just got my $1000 incentive package.
    If you owned it for only one month, you could not have qualified for the Goodwill Package.
    To qualify, you have to have purchased your TDI prior to November 8, 2015.
    If you were able to do that, you'd have been able to take advantage of the depreciated value AND the package.

    I received my Goodwill Package 2-3 weeks after registering for it. Activated it today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy R. View Post
    If you owned it for only one month, you could not have qualified for the Goodwill Package.
    To qualify, you have to have purchased your TDI prior to November 8, 2015.
    If you were able to do that, you'd have been able to take advantage of the depreciated value AND the package.

    I received my Goodwill Package 2-3 weeks after registering for it. Activated it today.
    Apparently not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t walgamuth View Post
    Apparently not.
    Sweet. You scored an extra grand off someone for their own impatience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy R. View Post
    Sweet. You scored an extra grand off someone for their own impatience.
    i suggest you read their website again. i did nothing sneaky and met all their requirements.
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    VW is buying a lot of vehicles back......

    http://www.onallcylinders.com/2016/0...llCylinders%29
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    Just saw Jeff's post. I gotta go for now, but I quickly skimmed the info in the link. Heard on the TV news that VW is offering a repair, or buy back. My question is...Will the "Buy Back" cars get scrapped, repaired and resold to our market, or end up in other countries not participating in the climate hoax?

    If I could pick up one of their vehicles at a bargain...I'd certainly take a look.
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    Probably scrapped. It would cost more than the profit margin on the sale to ship them anywhere.
    Might be a cool deal, if you could run them off test mode all the time..
    And it isn't the 'hoax' message you infer... It was a violation of the existing laws that are in place regarding testing of emissions.
    Laws passed by elected officials that believe in that issue (or that are getting paid to believe in that issue).


    Quote Originally Posted by jclary View Post
    Just saw Jeff's post. I gotta go for now, but I quickly skimmed the info in the link. Heard on the TV news that VW is offering a repair, or buy back. My question is...Will the "Buy Back" cars get scrapped, repaired and resold to our market, or end up in other countries not participating in the climate hoax?

    If I could pick up one of their vehicles at a bargain...I'd certainly take a look.
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    Since this broke I have suggested perhaps none of the current cars meet the standards without gaming the system.

    We don't even know what the rule states....perhaps it just says pass the test. If so they might not even be breaking the rule technically.
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    (Update 6/28/2016)

    http://www.aftermarketnews.com/volks...36&bid=1446048

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    Legislative OEVolkswagen To Spend Up To $14.7B To Settle Allegations Of Cheating Emissions Tests And Deceiving Customers On 2-Liter Diesel Vehicles

    June 28, 2016 12:15 PM
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    In two related settlements, one with the United States and the State of California, and one with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC), German automaker Volkswagen AG and related entities have agreed to spend up to $14.7 billion to settle allegations of cheating emissions tests and deceiving customers.
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    Volkswagen will offer consumers a buyback and lease termination for nearly 500,000 2009-‘15 model year 2-liter diesel vehicles sold or leased in the U.S., and spend up to $10.03 billion to compensate consumers under the program. In addition, the companies will spend $4.7 billion to mitigate the pollution from these cars and invest in green vehicle technology.
    The settlements partially resolve allegations by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), as well as the California Attorney General’s Office and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) under the Clean Air Act, California Health and Safety Code and California’s Unfair Competition Laws, relating to the vehicles’ use of “defeat devices” to cheat emissions tests. The settlements also resolve claims by the FTC that Volkswagen violated the FTC Act through the deceptive and unfair advertising and sale of its “clean diesel” vehicles. The settlements do not resolve pending claims for civil penalties or any claims concerning 3-liter diesel vehicles. Nor do they address any potential criminal liability.
    The affected vehicles include 2009-‘15 Volkswagen TDI diesel models of Jettas, Passats, Golfs and Beetles, as well as the TDI Audi A3.
    “Today’s announcement shows the high cost of violating our consumer protection and environmental laws,” said FTC Chairwoman Edith Ramirez. “Just as importantly, consumers who were cheated by Volkswagen’s deceptive advertising campaign will be able to get full and fair compensation, not only for the lost or diminished value of their car but also for the other harms that VW caused them.”
    “By duping the regulators, Volkswagen turned nearly half a million American drivers into unwitting accomplices in an unprecedented assault on our atmosphere,” said Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates. “This partial settlement marks a significant first step toward holding Volkswagen accountable for what was a breach of its legal duties and a breach of the public’s trust. And, while this announcement is an important step forward, let me be clear, it is by no means the last. We will continue to follow the facts wherever they go.”
    “Today’s settlement restores clean air protections that Volkswagen so blatantly violated,” said EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy. “And it secures billions of dollars in investments to make our air and our auto industry even cleaner for generations of Americans to come. This agreement shows that EPA is committed to upholding standards to protect public health, enforce the law, and to find innovative ways to protect clean air.”
    According to the civil complaint against Volkswagen filed by the Justice Department on behalf of EPA on Jan. 4, 2016, Volkswagen allegedly equipped its 2-liter diesel vehicles with illegal software that detects when the car is being tested for compliance with EPA or California emissions standards and turns on full emissions controls only during that testing process. During normal driving conditions, the software renders certain emission control systems inoperative, greatly increasing emissions. This is known as a “defeat device.” Use of the defeat device results in cars that meet emissions standards in the laboratory, but emit harmful NOx at levels up to 40 times EPA-compliant levels during normal on-road driving conditions. The Clean Air Act requires manufacturers to certify to EPA that vehicles will meet federal emission standards. Vehicles with defeat devices cannot be certified.
    The FTC sued Volkswagen in March, charging that the company deceived consumers with the advertising campaign it used to promote its supposedly “clean diesel” VWs and Audis, which falsely claimed that the cars were low-emission, environmentally friendly, met emissions standards and would maintain a high resale value.
    The settlements use the authorities of both the EPA and the FTC as part of a coordinated plan that gets the high-polluting VW diesels off the road, makes the environment whole and compensates consumers.
    The settlements require Volkswagen to offer owners of any affected vehicle the option to have the company buy back the car and to offer lessees a lease cancellation at no cost. Volkswagen may also propose an emissions modification plan to EPA and CARB, and if approved, also may offer owners and lessees the option of having their vehicles modified to substantially reduce emissions in lieu of a buyback. Under the U.S./California settlement, Volkswagen must achieve an overall recall rate of at least 85 percent of affected 2-liter vehicles under these programs or pay additional sums into the mitigation trust fund. The FTC order requires Volkswagen to compensate consumers who elect either of these options.
    Volkswagen must set aside and could spend up to $10.03 billion to pay consumers in connection with the buy back, lease termination and emissions modification compensation program. The program has different potential options and provisions for affected Volkswagen diesel owners depending on their circumstances including a buyback option.
    EPA-approved modification to vehicle emissions system
    The settlements also allow Volkswagen to apply to EPA and CARB for approval of an emissions modification on the affected vehicles, and, if approved, to offer consumers the option of keeping their cars and having them modified to comply with emissions standards. Under this option in accordance with the FTC order, consumers would also receive money from Volkswagen to redress the harm caused by VW’s deceptive advertising.
    Consumers who leased the affected cars will have the option of terminating their leases (with no termination fee) or having their vehicles modified if a modification becomes available. In either case, under the FTC order, these consumers also will receive additional compensation from Volkswagen for the harm caused by VW’s deceptive advertising. Consumers who sold their TDI vehicles after the VW defeat device issue became public may be eligible for partial compensation, which will be split between them and the consumers who purchased the cars from them as set forth in the FTC order.
    Eligible consumers will receive notice from VW after the orders are entered by the court this fall. Consumers will be able to see if they are eligible for compensation and if so, what options are available to them, at VWCourtSettlement.com and AudiCourtSettlement.com. They will also be able to use these websites to make claims, sign up for appointments at their local Volkswagen or Audi dealers and receive updates. Consumer payments will not be available until the settlements take effect if and when approved by the court, which may be as early as October 2016.
    Emissions reduction program
    The settlement of the company’s Clean Air Act violations also requires Volkswagen to pay $2.7 billion to fund projects across the country that will reduce emissions of NOx where the 2-liter vehicles were, are or will be operated. Volkswagen will place the funds into a mitigation trust over three years, which will be administered by an independent trustee. Beneficiaries, which may include states, Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, and Indian tribes, may obtain funds for designated NOx reduction projects upon application to the trustee. Funding for the designated projects is expected to fully mitigate the NOx these 2-liter vehicles have and will emit in excess of EPA and California standards.
    Zero emissions technology investments
    The Clean Air Act settlement also requires VW to invest $2 billion toward improving infrastructure, access and education to support and advance zero emission vehicles. The investments will be made over 10 years, with $1.2 billion directed toward a national EPA-approved investment plan and $800 million directed toward a California-specific investment plan that will be approved by CARB. As part of developing the national plan, Volkswagen will solicit and consider input from interested states, cities, Indian tribes and federal agencies. This investment is intended to address the adverse environmental impacts from consumers’ purchases of the 2-liter vehicles, which the governments contend were purchased under the mistaken belief that they were lower-emitting vehicles.
    FTC’s injunctive relief
    The FTC settlement includes injunctive provisions to protect consumers from deceptive claims in the future. These provisions prohibit Volkswagen from making any misrepresentations that would deceive consumers about the environmental benefits or value of its vehicles or services, and the order specifically bans VW from employing any device that could be used to cheat on emissions tests.
    The provisions of the U.S./California settlement are contained in a proposed consent decree filed today in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, as part of the ongoing multi-district litigation, and will be subject to public comment period of 30 days, which will be announced in the Federal Register in the coming days. The provisions of the FTC settlement are contained in a proposed Stipulated Final Federal Court Order filed today in the same court.
    To view the consent decree, visit: www.justice.gov/enrd/consent-decrees.
    The commission vote approving the stipulated orders was 3-0. The FTC filed the proposed orders in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, San Francisco Division. Stipulated final orders have the force of law when approved and signed by the District Court judge.

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    VW will NOT sell diesels in the US any more...

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