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    Where are the 9 original Studebaker Avanti R3 cars?

    The original R3 serial numbers, destination, color, and transmission:

    (1) R5089, Downers Grove, Illinois, turquoise, 4-speed
    (2) R5237, Seattle, Washington, black, 4-speed
    (3) R5394, Kingston, Pennsylvania, white, 4-speed
    (4) R5532, Vauxhall, New Jersey, turquoise, 4-speed
    (5) R5546, Fort Wayne, Indiana, gold, 4-speed
    (6) R5593, Yuma, Arizona, gray, automatic
    (7) R5625, Toledo, Ohio, black, automatic
    (8) R5642, Moline, Illinois, white, automatic
    (9) R5643, Jackson, Mississippi, white, automatic

    The R3 information: http://www.theavanti.net/r3.html

    The R3 and R4 Registry: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

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    #1 is a few miles from me in Collinsville Illinois.
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    Hint, I do have a 24 Car Garage! Nine, no prob!
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    If you own one of the original R3 Avanti cars OR you want to register your vehicle as a modified R3 you can register it here: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

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    A few years ago, one was in Leavenworth Kansas. It's owner and it moved to Elwood Kansas then to KY or TN. His name was ? Handshoe. Nice guy but I lost track of him probably 10 years ago....
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    Well, the cars have moved around. I am hoping to get the current owners to register them in one place for the prestige of ownership and for the Studebaker community.

    Register any R3 here: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

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    57 hawk. I just hauled that car from Mn to AZ. The car was owned by a Larry Handshoe here in Princeton Mn 2 miles from my home. He had gotten it from his father you had passed away who lived in KY and sold it to a fellow in mesa Az. WE where not sure if it was a real R-3 or a clone. White with a four sp with red intereior. I still have the phone numbers of both and will get in touch with both if this is a real R-3 Keith for sure would like to Know what he has.

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    The original R3s are a rare treasure, but I would also welcome any R3 clone to the registry because I consider those cars a tribute to the others and to Studebaker. I already have four R3s registered on the 63 Studebaker Registry (and even one R4 registered on the 64 registry). All were registered some years ago, but since the R3-R4 Registry is new I leave re-registering up to the current owners. Below are the currently registered R3-R4 cars. None of them are the numbers of the original nine, but I will register them if the owners submit them. Register any R3 here: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

    R1025 registered by Ronald Crall in 2003
    R1089 registered by Gary Miller in 2001
    R1683 registered by Douglas Crall in 2001
    R2383 registered by Alain Bauwens in 2004
    R5088 registered by Gregory S. Dotson in 2006 (R4)

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    Larry told me he measured the motor and it was a 299ci or something like that. He said he talked to someone, maybe Bob Palma, and they said it was possible. I guess it has a VIN. That should answer any questions.....

    Quote Originally Posted by swvalcon View Post
    57 hawk. I just hauled that car from Mn to AZ. The car was owned by a Larry Handshoe here in Princeton Mn 2 miles from my home. He had gotten it from his father you had passed away who lived in KY and sold it to a fellow in mesa Az. WE where not sure if it was a real R-3 or a clone. White with a four sp with red intereior. I still have the phone numbers of both and will get in touch with both if this is a real R-3 Keith for sure would like to Know what he has.
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    Sounds good! Thanks for your efforts. If its an R3 have him register it here: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

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    I will have to look for my list. Researched it before South Bend 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green53 View Post
    I will have to look for my list. Researched it before South Bend 2012.

    Denny L
    A list would be appreciated. I would like to ask the owners to submit a registration. Any R3 can be registered here: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

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    There is one in the Crawford Auto and Avation Museum in Columbus Ohio. I have picked it up twice. Once for display at the last International Meet in South Bend, and the second time for display at the Studebaker International Museum.

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    John Shanahan keeps a list of all the R3/4 engines, the cars they are installed in, etc. About 4 pages now. Clones not included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselJim View Post
    There is one in the Crawford Auto and Avation Museum in Columbus Ohio. I have picked it up twice. Once for display at the last International Meet in South Bend, and the second time for display at the Studebaker International Museum.
    That is 5643, the last one (R3 and Avanti) built. It was owned for many years by Joe Erdelac (sp ?), Cleveland Studebaker dealer. I see that his daughter recently joined this Forum.
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    Confirming information about the factory R3 Avantis is difficult. Following is the best information I was able to gather several years ago.

    (1) R5089, turquoise, 4-speed Stored in Ill
    (2)R5237, black, 4-speed Owned by AOAI member
    (3) R5394, white, 4-speed Owner in the 1990s understood significanceof the vehicle
    (4) R5532, turquoise, 4-speed Engine may have failed soon after delivery and been replaced
    (5) R5546, gold,4-speed Restored many years ago, then damaged in a storm
    (6) R5593, gray, automatic Owned by AOAI member,engine may be owned by another person
    (7) R5625, black, automatic Stored in Mich
    (8) R5642, white,automatic Sold at public auction several years ago
    (9)R5643, white, automatic Displayed in museum in OH
    Last edited by herbpcpa; 08-10-2014 at 12:26 PM.

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    Herbpcpa Do you know who the owner was of #3 R5394 in the 90's? That is the only car that looks like it could be the one that I hauled to AZ.

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    The R3 Registry page has been updated to include a "Certified R3 Registration" emblem: http://www.theavanti.net/registryr3.html

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    The man who restored # 5 R5546 told me that at the time he owned the gold factory R3 Avanti he was in contact with the owner of #3 R5394 and that the owner knew what he had. That has been so many years ago that this owner of #3 could have died by now and the car passed into other hands.
    Bottom line is that at least seven and probably eight of the factory R3 Avantis are in the possession of people who know the significance of the car they own. The big mystery is #4 R5532.

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    sw; William J. Mcleod of Grand Island NY was the owner of R5394 back in the late 70's when I last saw it.

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    I have recently seen R5546, where it is relaxing in a secure, climate controlled environment.

    This car is interesting as it is the only R3 car to fully duplicate the record breaking #9 Bonneville car that currently sits in the Studebaker museum............Gold exterior, Elk interior and a 4 speed.

    The car has 51,000 original miles and still sports its 100% original and mint condition interior, including the original carpet. Near perfect dash, seats, gauges, etc.

    The car is one of the top three surviving R3's in its originality, receiving only one repaint and 4 owners in 50 years. It also has its original engine which is museum quality. The car was meticulously maintained and protected over the years, the frame looks like it is brand new, including the original troughs.

    It seems that there is some misunderstanding about this car being damaged in a storm. A previous owner had the car in a building that was hit by a tornado along with other vehicles including an Avanti with an R3 transplant. Although the R3 transplant car was severely damaged, miraculously the REAL R3 escaped nearly unscathed. The only damage to the number 5 car was an open hood that was ripped off and blown over the roof, causing only mild paint damage. The only structural damage was a broken hood hinge support, NOTHING more, not even broken glass. The vehicle was then unnecessarily stripped of all its paint and the owner lost interest until it wound up with its current owner.

    Fast forward to today, and that is where she sits.....comfortably sleeping, awaiting a high dollar paint job that she deserves.

    If I remember correctly, this car took FIRST place at the 1997 nationals and needs very little to return to that level.





    Quote Originally Posted by herbpcpa View Post
    Confirming information about the factory R3 Avantis is difficult. Following is the best information I was able to gather several years ago.

    (1) R5089, turquoise, 4-speed Stored in Ill
    (2)R5237, black, 4-speed Owned by AOAI member
    (3) R5394, white, 4-speed Owner in the 1990s understood significanceof the vehicle
    (4) R5532, turquoise, 4-speed Engine may have failed soon after delivery and been replaced
    (5) R5546, gold,4-speed Restored many years ago, then damaged in a storm
    (6) R5593, gray, automatic Owned by AOAI member,engine may be owned by another person
    (7) R5625, black, automatic Stored in Mich
    (8) R5642, white,automatic Sold at public auction several years ago
    (9)R5643, white, automatic Displayed in museum in OH
    Last edited by R3studee; 08-10-2014 at 10:16 PM.

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    Can anyone share any information about R5532? It is the turquoise four speed that was shipped to New Jersey.

    The current location of R5384 is in doubt but it seems reasonable that who ever owns it understands the significance of the vehicle.

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    Adding to R3studee's comments....This is the car my brother Nimesh Solanki used to own. It is the only gold R3 produced. I do agree that the car was unnecessarily stripped by the previous owner (not my brother) and could have just been fixed without stripping all the paint. The interior is in very good shape but I wouldn't categorize it as perfect. Same thing with the engine being museum quality. Cosmetically it needs a lot of detailing and possibly a re-build (I would if it was my car) as it has been sitting up for years. Perfect and museum quality are relative words. Just like a fast car, what might be fast to someone maybe slow to another person. Still, this is a very nice specimen that has a lot of potential. My brother got rid of the car because he was building an over the top Avanti and couldn't see doing another car that wouldn't be as "perfect."

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    One of the best I know of is in a garage just sitting. Hopefully he drives it once in a while. kind of a waste to not be enjoyed. Not built as an R3 but later converted. However everything is now correct R3. including rear end, air cleaner, and control arms, and 8000, tach. Serial # 5590, engine B61.
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    Brad,

    I know that car because I saw it when you stripped it down. It is indeed a very beautiful car.

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    Owner Registry For the R3 Avanti


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    Quote Originally Posted by herbpcpa View Post
    Confirming information about the factory R3 Avantis is difficult. Following is the best information I was able to gather several years ago.
    (1) R5089, turquoise, 4-speed Stored in Ill
    (2)R5237, black, 4-speed Owned by AOAI member
    (3) R5394, white, 4-speed Owner in the 1990s understood significanceof the vehicle
    (4) R5532, turquoise, 4-speed Engine may have failed soon after delivery and been replaced
    (5) R5546, gold,4-speed Restored many years ago, then damaged in a storm
    (6) R5593, gray, automatic Owned by AOAI member,engine may be owned by another person
    (7) R5625, black, automatic Stored in Mich
    (8) R5642, white,automatic Sold at public auction several years ago
    (9)R5643, white, automatic Displayed in museum in OH
    Where is R3 AvantiR-5643, presently? Is it on loan by chance?

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    I realize that this might not add much to the topic,but I remember seeing a gold Avanti with R3 engine, racing at the Winternationals in Phoenix in 1969.Unfortunately, I didn't take any pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Bryant View Post
    Where is R3 AvantiR-5643, presently? Is it on loan by chance?
    The last of 9 R3 Avantis, R5643 is on permanent display in the Crawford Auto Aviation Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. It was on loan to the AOAI during their 2012 Avanti 50th anniversary meet in South Bend; returned to the Cleveland museum for a while; and on display last year and early this year at the Studebaker National Museum before it went to the National Mall exhibit this past spring in Washington DC. It is now resting back at the Crawford Auto and Air Museum in Cleveland.
    One note: The original owner, Joe Erdelac, was a Cleveland, Ohio American Motors dealer, not a Studebaker dealer.

    Read more about this historic Avanti in the NY Times auto section of Friday, Dec. 19, 2014:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/au...er-avanti.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by lschuc View Post
    The last of 9 R3 Avantis, R5643 is on permanent display in the Crawford Auto Aviation Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. It was on loan to the AOAI during their 2012 Avanti 50th anniversary meet in South Bend; returned to the Cleveland museum for a while; and on display last year and early this year at the Studebaker National Museum before it went to the National Mall exhibit this past spring in Washington DC. It is now resting back at the Crawford Auto and Air Museum in Cleveland.
    One note: The original owner, Joe Erdelac, was a Cleveland, Ohio American Motors dealer, not a Studebaker dealer.
    Joe Erdelac was NOT the "original owner". He purchased the car (5643) with 6K miles on it.

    I met Joe many times. My "calling card" was driving up in my 1953 Commander Starliner. This got the salesmen to get Joe out of his office.

    Yes, Joe was an AMC dealer, but I seem to remember that he was previously a Studebaker dealer.

    In the 1970s, he was a very active used Avanti dealer. He asked me to "bird dog" for him. He had a couple of Avantis that he kept for himself, including 5643 and a Sears Allstate cross-country car (also 6K miles; he had it shipped to him from CA). The other Avantis he bought and sold. I remember that there were always several in the shop/storage area.
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    Originally, it went to Mississippi IIRC.
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    Lew: Thanks for the response. I toured the SNM on 12/14 and wondered if I had somehow missed it. Hope to visit the Crawford Museum one of these days.

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    I just rebuilt a 3808s AFB for 5089 in Collinsville Ill. It is undergoing a full restoration.
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    63R-1025 is located in Lyman Maine. It is the factory prototype R3, the Hot Rod Magazine 1st R3 road test car, and per a conversation with Andy Grranetelli a couple of years ago, it was his Avanti when they were in production. Nostalgic Motors has shipped me 17 pages of production line discrepancy reports, the zone delivery report, the factory to dealer invoice, and the factory build sheet. The car was delivered to Paxton products "as is" a couple of weeks after production, and sold by Studebaker to Paxton two years later for $500. For the short time it was in So. Bend, it was used by Sherwood Egbert. Vince Granetelli became the first registered owner in 1965, prior to that it had Ca MFG plates. It then passed to Bill Alderman, and I purchased it in 1969. It lived in the San Francisco Bay Area until 2000 when I hauled it to Maine. It was damaged in an accident before leaving CA, and my son and I are currently restoring it. There are numerous other posts on the AOAI and this web site concerning 1025.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swvalcon View Post
    57 hawk. I just hauled that car from Mn to AZ. The car was owned by a Larry Handshoe here in Princeton Mn 2 miles from my home. He had gotten it from his father you had passed away who lived in KY and sold it to a fellow in mesa Az. WE where not sure if it was a real R-3 or a clone. White with a four sp with red intereior. I still have the phone numbers of both and will get in touch with both if this is a real R-3 Keith for sure would like to Know what he has.
    Hey Steve, it's me Keith. I hope you are well.
    The Avanti is NOT, I repeat NOT, a real R3 powered car, at least as far as the heads are concerned. The intake ports on the head have been welded and enlarged to accept what appears to be a real R3 intake manifold. The heads have been stamped with the # 1555479X, and the name 'SUPER MOD". I would be very grateful if anybody knows what shop or individual SUPER MOD might be...
    The block is stamped with "B55", but Mr. Handshoe (senior) could have done that as well. I guess I wont know until I pull the engine apart, which I hope is far into the future.....the car runs very strong as is.
    Anyway, Happy 4th, God Bless America!

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    Good to know you are well and enjoying your Avanti Keith. Steve.

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    There was a Studebaker Dealer near Bushnell Nebraska that I met when my 60 Hawk needed work on a trip from the west coast to So. Bend in the 70's. His farm was out in some wheat fields near some ICBM missile silos. B52's flew overhead just feet above the ground doing low-level practice runs.

    He had a white R3 in his shop/barn. It was shipped to him after the factory closed. He said that it was not even finished, that there were a variety of parts shipped inside it and he had to finish putting it together, but it was drivable so could be loaded and shipped. There are a few serial numbers that were unaccounted for. I have always wondered if there was a 10th production R3 that was never accounted for. I remember he had a 5 speed Champ that I believe had an R1 installed. There was a Packard Hawk outside deteriorating and a number of other older Studebaker's. Guy was old (but i was a teen-ager, old was pretty relative back then). Maybe someone else knows something.

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    He passed away and everything was sold at auction in the late 90's. Studebaker credit allowed him one car at a time. He also sold Packard, Saab, and Harley Davidson. It was quite an auction with something for everyone. It was at this auction that i met Harold Lemay for the first time.

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    I remember the Saab's and the Harley's. He had one of the Saab 2 seat fiberglass cars there. I have wondered for years about that Avanti, and the gap in the serial numbers between end-of-production and a few follow up cars completed following. Was there a white 64 Avanti at the auction?

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