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    I need a floor shifter for a T86 with overdrive

    I am getting ready to convert a '53 Commander Starlight from column shift to floor shift. The car is completely stock with a T86 with overdrive and I would like a good quality shifter with bracket and linkage and if possible with a boot also. Please let me know what you have and how much you want (including shipping to Los Angeles). THANKS!!
    Howard - Los Angeles chapter SDC
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    Howard, most 3 Speed shifters require some modifications to clear the O.D. Solenoid and the O.D. shift Cable, any that are a Bolt-On are long gone.
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    Yes, a floor shifter immeasurably adds to the driving pleasure.

    No, as Rich wrote, the bolt-ins are long gone. The least expensive new kit is the Hurst Indy pickup truck shifter. The best way to go is to find an old Hurst SyncroLoc three-speed shifter and make one's own bracket, rods and arms.

    Maybe, I've got an old aftermarket shifter which came off my '56 Power Hawk long ago. If I can find all the parts, I'll make someone a heckuva deal. It's not Hurst but it would be turnkey.

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    You will need to mount the shifter high enough to clear the overdrive parts. These are some examples I saved pictures of.
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    I have a Spectre universal shifter, new in the box, like I installed on the Studebaker camper. I have pictures of the install also. It worked good and I even had an idea to make it work even better. PM me if interested.
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    I have a 1950 Champion that was converted to a floor shift. It is an OD transmission. The car was stored for over 30 years before I got it, so it's an old school shifter. If you're interested, it's for sale. We can discuss price and I can take some pictures if you want. I am converting the car back to a column shift, just to have it as original. I have a parts car with everything I need to make the conversion back, so everything goes with the floor shifter. Let me know.
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    MR. GASKET makes a three speed shifter and kit that looks like a cheaper copy of the Hurst. I see the Mr. Gasket version selling for under $40 fairly often, but have not used one since the 90's, and that was on a early 80's C-10 Step-side. It seems to me that it required a weekend worth of tinkering to get the transmission and shifter in sync and performing up to my reliability and safety standards.
    My father machined a 12 oz. piece of stainless into the shift knob.
    It looked good, but I think there had to be a practical reason why he did that. I seem to remember that it had to do with shift forks.
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    Go with a Hurst and don't be a caso on this. You will be glad you did. Be prepared to invest around 250 to 300 to do it right. I put a Hurst in my 53 and it's works nice.


    Hurst super boot works great too.
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    Be careful what you buy, T-86 O/D also used in 1949/64 Ford passenger cars, 1953/64 F100's.

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    I just done one using a top loader from a T86 out of a M5.

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    Thunderations - Did you ever sell that floor shift setup that you had on your '50 Champ?

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    Hey guys, the Champion used the Borg Warner T96 transmission and the smaller overdrive unit (R11 vs. the R10, I believe, or vice versa). They are the same transmissions and overdrives functionally but different physically, so a floor shifter from a Champion (T96) likely won't fit a T86. It might be useful to use as a pattern, though.

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    Yep, several years ago. Then I sold the car it came out of.
    Quote Originally Posted by pktight View Post
    Thunderations - Did you ever sell that floor shift setup that you had on your '50 Champ?
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    Here's one I did, but never used. Decided to install a 200-4R so my Wife could drive it. I still have it, but I'm in FL, and it's in NY..Shifter #3.jpgShifter #2.jpgShifter #1.jpg

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    Tony, are you interested in selling the shifter, bracket(s) and linkage?
    Howard - Los Angeles chapter SDC
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    Hello, I have a floor shifter, boot and levers from a 56 Corvette I was planning to use on my CE when I was planning to use the Stude v8. I'll sell it reasonably. I can supply pictures if necessary.
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    HOWARD - Sure, I'd sell it...but I'm in Florida for the Winter...

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    No hurry. Please PM me with price. Thanks.
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    Tony, Thanks for posting the pics. Looks like you have someone interested already, but they will help me fabricate something as I move along.

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    I sent you a PM about your shifter.

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    Sorry. That last post on the PM was for Tom about his Corvette shifter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselJim View Post
    I just done one using a top loader from a T86 out of a M5.
    Diesel Jim,
    Im from Mishawaka, In and Im installing a 259 with manual 3-speed w/od in a 1947 M5. Are you saying I could take the 3 speed top shifter originally in the truck and install it in the 3 speed Im installing ? It's out of a 1960 Lark. Thank you for your time PapaJoe

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    Bring the trans and shifter over and I will show - help you set it up. Give me a call. 574850101three.

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    I have a shifter that I bought from Jack Vines, I think. It works perfectly. I'm taking it out of my car to replace it with a 5 speed. $80.00 including postage.
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    Jack, sent you a PM.
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    Dont use the Daytona universal PU shifter unless you like to fabricate extra bits. has to sit kinda high to clear OD but needs extra bracing to steady up shifter.Floors in 56 were much tougher than you think but are thicker and easy to weld to to get that extra clearance. Luck Doofus

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    Quote Originally Posted by starliner62 View Post
    I have a shifter that I bought from Jack Vines, I think. It works perfectly. I'm taking it out of my car to replace it with a 5 speed. $80.00 including postage.
    Jack, sent you a PM.
    Hi, David,

    Jamie's got the most immediate solution. It will take me a while to get time to fabricate another.

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    Do not get a c heep MR Gasket Shifter. I have on similar in the wagon and the selector pins simply are not hard enough and they wear down and then you will not be able to shift. My solution was to make a second shifter out of flat steel stock so the wagon has one shifter for 1st and revers and one shifter for second and third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselJim View Post
    Bring the trans and shifter over and I will show - help you set it up. Give me a call. 574850101three.
    Hi Jim - Been working a lot , is your offer for trans and shifter set up still good ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajoe View Post
    Hi Jim - Been working a lot , is your offer for trans and shifter set up still good ?
    Yes. Need to call as I'm out a lot.

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    Howard,
    Contact Bruce Sandburg in Arizona. He is in the current 2018 roster. Years ago, he took the top plate off of the 53 Commander Transmission and used a Willys Jeep setup that bolted right in. The tired 232 had a rod give way on the way home and he put in a 331 Cadillac. He sold the car and it was sold again but the drive train is still here in Tucson

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    I traded the entire transmission and shifter to Rich Lindsey, (330-465-0217), in a truck load of parts that I traded for 2 new rechromed Hawk bumpers. It was traded @ Dunkirk, this past September, so he's probably still got it...if you're still looking...
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    I have to slow down...
    Left my cheater reading glasses in the house and was working out in the shop.
    Needed to send a pic on the laptop (in the shop)...Which was done ok.
    Jumped on this forum and read this thread header in a hurry without my glasses..
    Huh? WTH?

    Who would need a flour sifter for a T86 with overdrive?

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    I once had a 49 Hudson coupe with a later 308 in it and a Hydromatic. We changed the Hydromatic out with a T86 with OD out of a 56 Nash. I used a top loader floor shifter that came from a Checker cab and installed a switch on the side of the shifter so I could go thru all the gears, in od and out of od. That was back in the 70's. I think the top loader shifter is the way to go if you can find one. If not, the Hurst setup is tried and proven and I would go that route.
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