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    1950 Champion hubs

    My Champion has 4 lug front hubs that I'm trying to convert to 5 lug front hubs. Is there a 5 lug front hub that will interchange? Can I use the existing knuckle/spindle or will that have to be switched? Are there any other parts that will have to be changed? I understand that the brakes and wheels will have to be changed to 5 lug. Thanks. Mine is the 9G Deluxe model.

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    The 4 lugs or the 5 lugs are part of the drum so any 9" 0r 10" should fit your car what ever you have there now. just my guess.
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    Randy,
    Champion king pins are smaller in diameter, so a later spindle will need to be used. But, the bushing area of the king pin is also smaller, I have found an off the shelf bushing that will take up that slack. The bearing IS the same size. I know that the later spindle will fit on the 51 Champion, I'm not sure on the 50 Champion. Send me a photo of the backside of the king pin (or front if you have the drum off) and I should be able to tell if the later spindle will fit. Or if you have the king pin out, send me some measurements of the diameters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 52 Ragtop View Post
    Randy,
    Champion king pins are smaller in diameter, so a later spindle will need to be used. But, the bushing area of the king pin is also smaller, I have found an off the shelf bushing that will take up that slack. The bearing IS the same size. I know that the later spindle will fit on the 51 Champion, I'm not sure on the 50 Champion. Send me a photo of the backside of the king pin (or front if you have the drum off) and I should be able to tell if the later spindle will fit. Or if you have the king pin out, send me some measurements of the diameters.

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    Here are some pics of both the king pin and the spindle. The spindle number is 524245 and the king pin is #524783. The spindle does have a raised lip where the inner bearing (Timken #15123) butts up against it.
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    Were you able to tell which spindle it is by my pictures? Randy

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    Yep, I have a bronze bushing that will take up the slack so you can install a later spindle, and get the 5 lug pattern you desire, my disc kit fits the later spindle.

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    How about the rear wheels? Is there an adapter that allows a 5 lug hub to fit on a 50 Champion axle?
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    Where does the bronze bushing go and what later year spindle do I have to go to? If I go to the later spindle can you tell me what years and models? Are there any other parts I'll have to change such as the king pin and bushings, steering arms, or anything else? Thanks Randy

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    hub change?

    M1530002.jpgDid you have concerns with the 4 lug? I'm not trying to be a smart *#% The reason I'm asking is I have a 1950 Champion 9G-W5 myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosshoss61 View Post
    M1530002.jpgDid you have concerns with the 4 lug? I'm not trying to be a smart *#% The reason I'm asking is I have a 1950 Champion 9G-W5 myself.
    I'm going to later 5 lug wheels since my 4 lugs are rusted out.

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    The bushing replaces the old thin bushing in the spindle, 53 and up on the spindles.

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    Thanks for the help. I'll have to go through my parts to see if I might have the '53 and later spindles. Well, one problem addressed now on to the rest. Randy

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    does anybody manufacture the 4 stud hubs or have a supply of NOS? i have no desire at this stage to convert to 5 stud but i need 2 hubs for the rear of my 50 champion and they seem near impossible to find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosshoss61 View Post
    M1530002.jpgDid you have concerns with the 4 lug? I'm not trying to be a smart *#% The reason I'm asking is I have a 1950 Champion 9G-W5 myself.
    My understanding is that over time the wheels were prone to stress cracks on 4 stud lug design from 1950. Can anyone confirm this?
    Last edited by southbend; 01-28-2014 at 11:53 AM.

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