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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    And don't let anyone tell You a '53-'55 C/K hood needs to be 'scooped' to shut over a Golden Hawk supercharger system!
    mbstude thought that the installed height of a '63-'64 R2 top mount supercharger setup is the same as the installed height of a '57-'58 Golden Hawk supercharger setup. I believe that He is incorrect, and that the earlier setup is 'taller'. Has anyone ever measured the difference in installed heights between the two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    mbstude thought that the installed height of a '63-'64 R2 top mount supercharger setup is the same as the installed height of a '57-'58 Golden Hawk supercharger setup. I believe that He is incorrect, and that the earlier setup is 'taller'. Has anyone ever measured the difference in installed heights between the two?
    When and where did I say that? I don't even remember thinking it!

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    Don't know if Matt will see this, but here's a few more recent views of the supercharger install on a '53-'55 C/K. (Doctor's Car) The engine has always ran excellent with this setup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    mbstude thought that the installed height of a '63-'64 R2 top mount supercharger setup is the same as the installed height of a '57-'58 Golden Hawk supercharger setup. I believe that He is incorrect, and that the earlier setup is 'taller'. Has anyone ever measured the difference in installed heights between the two?
    I believe, Installing supercharger systems on Stude V8s under the stock C & K hoods is something that's been continuously attempted for almost as long as these vehicles have existed! Examples that are as sucsessfully well executed as yours, are extremely far and few between. It makes perfect sense that the earlier setup would be taller. That's why Studebaker used the Golden Hawk specific hood and overlay in '57 & '58 and not on the later R2 powered Hawks. However, I have never had both the opportunity and the capacity to get measurements of any useful accuracy.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who is very curious about any specific details of your particular installation, you'd be willing to share? How much machining was done to any of the specific components that would affect the overall height? Are all the mounts and brackets as they were when it was originally produced? How does the horsepower and torque output compair to that of the same setup on the Golden Hawks? Wow, it's also got the 3 speed OD, that's just how I'd want it! I'm sorry, if I'm asking the same questions you've probably already answered thousands of times. I do remember seeing it at one of the international meets in South Bend the last time I was there.

    I personally prefer the look of the correct headlight rims.

    Thanks for posting the PIX!

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    the supercharger bracket on this car appears to be 57 58 style as it has the 4 bolt thermostat outlet

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    Quote Originally Posted by S2Deluxe View Post
    I believe, Installing supercharger systems on Stude V8s under the stock C & K hoods is something that's been continuously attempted for almost as long as these vehicles have existed! Examples that are as sucsessfully well executed as yours, are extremely far and few between. It makes perfect sense that the earlier setup would be taller. That's why Studebaker used the Golden Hawk specific hood and overlay in '57 & '58 and not on the later R2 powered Hawks. However, I have never had both the opportunity and the capacity to get measurements of any useful accuracy.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who is very curious about any specific details of your particular installation, you'd be willing to share? How much machining was done to any of the specific components that would affect the overall height? Are all the mounts and brackets as they were when it was originally produced? How does the horsepower and torque output compair to that of the same setup on the Golden Hawks? Wow, it's also got the 3 speed OD, that's just how I'd want it! I'm sorry, if I'm asking the same questions you've probably already answered thousands of times. I do remember seeing it at one of the international meets in South Bend the last time I was there.

    I personally prefer the look of the correct headlight rims.

    Thanks for posting the PIX!

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    Thanks for your positive comments Mark, (and yes, the original headlight rims are back on the car!)

    As to the installation of a '57-'58 Golden Hawk supercharger system on a '53-'55 Studebaker coupe or hardtop model, it's true that there's 'no way' the hood will close over this setup without adding a 'scoop' to it.........

    I definitely didn't want to do that....so here's what I did...........two things really,...the first one is very easy,...just swap out the regular V8 front motor mounts for the 'Avanti R3' style...you'll gain 1/2" hood clearance right away.

    The second thing isn't so easy, ...I lifted the body off of the frame about 3/4", and kept it there by 'shimming', tapering the body shims down towards the rear of the car (Kind of like what Nate Altman did to get an Avanti hood to shut over the Chevy V8 engine)

    By taking these two steps I gained about 1 1/4" of hood clearance, and with the hood itself adjusted up a bit higher than normal, it shuts with room to spare!

    I'm sure the 289 CI Golden Hawk engine has more power and torque than the 259 CI engine in 'The Doctor's Car', however, I do love the way the shorter stroke Speedster engine 'winds out' while being force fed by the McCulloch supercharger....Ed
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    Quote Originally Posted by acolds View Post
    the supercharger bracket on this car appears to be 57 58 style as it has the 4 bolt thermostat outlet
    Exactly, the entire system is 'stock' '57-'58, with no mods to the mounting brackets, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    Thanks for your positive comments Mark, (and yes, the original headlight rims are back on the car!)

    As to the installation of a '57-'58 Golden Hawk supercharger system on a '53-'55 Studebaker coupe or hardtop model, it's true that there's 'no way' the hood will close over this setup without adding a 'scoop' to it.........

    I definitely didn't want to do that....so here's what I did...........Two things really,...The first one is very easy,...just swap out the regular V8 front motor mounts for the 'Avanti R3' style...you'll gain 1/2" hood clearance right away.

    The second thing isn't so easy, ...I lifted the body off of the frame about 3/4", and kept it there by 'shimming', tapering the body shims down towards the rear of the car (Kind of like what Nate Altman did to get an Avanti hood to shut over the Chevy V8 engine)

    By taking these two steps I gained about 1 1/4" of hood clearance, and with the hood itself adjusted up a bit higher than normal, it shuts with room to spare!

    I'm sure the 289 CI Golden Hawk engine has more power and torque than the 259 CI engine in 'The Doctor's Car', however, I do love the way the shorter stroke Speedster engine 'winds out' while being force fed by the McCulloch supercharger....Ed

    Forgot to mention that the stock '53-'55 C/K fan shroud needs to be trimmed back about 2 3/4" (I modified a spare shroud which I had)....Also, a '62-'64 GT Hawk style fan spacer, NOT the stock '57 Golden Hawk fan spacer, must be used!

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    I imagine you also must of used the '57 - '58 boost gauge in your dash? I'd love to see a good shot of that, if you've got one you could post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S2Deluxe View Post
    I imagine you also must of used the '57 - '58 boost gauge in your dash? I'd love to see a good shot of that, if you've got one you could post?

    Mark
    Mark, I'd love to add the '57-'58 Golden Hawk vacuum/boost gauge to the dash of this car...actually, the '55 Speedster dash ALMOST has room for it centered between the factory gauges....but the bottom line is there isn't quite enough room for it...the install just wouldn't work.

    I do have a couple of those boost gauges, and thought about mounting one under the dash 'sixties style', but that really isn't me! Take care, Ed

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    What beautiful weather we had today for our annual OCEAN BAY CHAPTER 'OCTOBERFEST'.....and I was pleasantly surprised when 'The Doctor's Car' took first in the C/K division!

    .....I've learned over the years that laying down on the ground kicking my feet while holding my breath before the awards presentation REALLY PAYS OFF!!!
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    Folks always get a 'big kick' out of 'The Doctor's Car'!
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    One thing others fail to take into account, the McCulloch supercharger is longer than the SN-60 and later Paxtons. Therefore, in mounting it sticks further forwards and hits the hood at the front edge of the case.
    The hood cutout on the Golden Hawks really just clears this point. That is why later R2 Hawks did not need any clearance blister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    What beautiful weather we had today for our annual OCEAN BAY CHAPTER 'OCTOBERFEST'.....and I was pleasantly surprised when 'The Doctor's Car' took first in the C/K division!
    Was that Division just your '55 and Dennis' '57? If so, I guess that it was a modified Division.

    I went to that meet several times. It is a nice location. The meet wasn't in the Sept. TW "What's Happening". It was in the Oct. TW that I received on Oct. 11. It might help your turn out if you had advance notice in TW.
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    Here's a couple more shots of my Speedster at Sunday's show.........I installed a new exhaust system on her last week, (after 26 years!), including a pair of Thrush mufflers...I think it sounds GREAT!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by studegary View Post
    Was that Division just your '55 and Dennis' '57? If so, I guess that it was a modified Division.

    I went to that meet several times. It is a nice location. The meet wasn't in the Sept. TW "What's Happening". It was in the Oct. TW that I received on Oct. 11. It might help your turn out if you had advance notice in TW.
    More advance notice is always good Gary....but I thought that the turnout was pretty good anyway!.....The trophies are for 'peoples choice' and 'The Doctor's Car' was in the '53-'64 C/K class.

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    On other threads we've discussed the pros & cons of using lacquer exterior paint.......Check out the 'deep' shine on the left & right fender tops of 'The Doctor's Car',....This LACQUER paint job was applied TWENTY-SIX years ago!!!!!!
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    Got a new (2017) Massachusetts State Inspection sticker on 'The Doctor's Car' this morning!.....Unfortunately, now its time to put her to bed for the winter!

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    The 'Doctor's Car' in its new home for the winter.....very cozy!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    The 'Doctor's Car' in its new home for the winter.....very cozy!!
    I was at a friend's place earlier today, and his Avanti was beneath a nice car cover, inside a heated garage, with floating charger on the battery. Nice as that Avanti is, cannot say as I blame him. Looks like the, "Doctor's Car" gets the same royal treatment

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    Thanks Joe!...Not to sure about that "floating charger on the battery" though...I'm still a bit skeptical of those things!

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    That's a giant Christmas wreath someone placed on 'The Doctor's Car' when I wasn't looking!
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    Getting prepared to 'roll out' "The Doctor's Car" next weekend if the weather co-operates!....I simply CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!

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    I know what you mean. Our Chapter meeting is next Saturday, and I'm hoping the roads are clear so I can drive the Stude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1954khardtop View Post
    I know what you mean. Our Chapter meeting is next Saturday, and I'm hoping the roads are clear so I can drive the Stude.
    And WHAT a Stude!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    Getting prepared to 'roll out' "The Doctor's Car" next weekend if the weather co-operates!....I simply CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!
    From someone like you, I would have expected a much more thorough, professionally printed information sign, not something vague and loosely handwritten as I see in the photos. What does 'Reseved' mean? Who is Sheldon Henderson? and Ralph Holmes? Are they previous owners? Or do they own a restoration shop who restored it in 1965?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    From someone like you, I would have expected a much more thorough, professionally printed information sign, not something vague and loosely handwritten as I see in the photos. What does 'Reseved' mean? Who is Sheldon Henderson? and Ralph Holmes? Are they previous owners? Or do they own a restoration shop who restored it in 1965?

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    Not to mention that whoever wrote the sign has no idea when to capitalize letters or use lowercase ones. Good thing it wasn't originally a teacher's car!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    From someone like you, I would have expected a much more thorough, professionally printed information sign, not something vague and loosely handwritten as I see in the photos. What does 'Reseved' mean? Who is Sheldon Henderson? and Ralph Holmes? Are they previous owners? Or do they own a restoration shop who restored it in 1965?

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    Daang! Y'all are just slammin Ed

    I like to just have fun when at an SDC meet. I usually display whichever Stude I drive with a hand printed sign that says something goofy like, "Extreme Driver", then scribble a few particulars about the car below. To me, its all in fun, and never any concern about judges' points, since none of mine are show cars, other than shown on the road.

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    And this from an English major? (Glad I didn't read any of it)


    Quote Originally Posted by fargoguy View Post
    Not to mention that whoever wrote the sign has no idea when to capitalize letters or use lowercase ones. Good thing it wasn't originally a teacher's car!!
    Originally Posted by 8E45E
    From someone like you, I would have expected a much more thorough, professionally printed information sign, not something vague and loosely handwritten as I see in the photos. What does 'Reseved' mean? Who is Sheldon Henderson? and Ralph Holmes? Are they previous owners? Or do they own a restoration shop who restored it in 1965?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    From someone like you, I would have expected a much more thorough, professionally printed information sign, not something vague and loosely handwritten as I see in the photos. What does 'Reseved' mean? Who is Sheldon Henderson? and Ralph Holmes? Are they previous owners? Or do they own a restoration shop who restored it in 1965?

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    Craig,...that's 'RESCUED' (And it really is a good story!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeHall View Post
    Daang! Y'all are just slammin Ed

    I like to just have fun when at an SDC meet. I usually display whichever Stude I drive with a hand printed sign that says something goofy like, "Extreme Driver", then scribble a few particulars about the car below. To me, its all in fun, and never any concern about judges' points, since none of mine are show cars, other than shown on the road.
    Thanks for your support Joe! ( and Joe, the Studebaker Forum, as in every other aspect of life, "Takes All Kinds" !)

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    4/8/17..............Fired up "The Doctor's Car" this morning for the first time this year.....she 'purred like a kitten"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    4/8/17..............Fired up "The Doctor's Car" this morning for the first time this year.....she 'purred like a kitten"!
    Fired up the 62GT this morning and it ran just as it did yesterday, and the day before, and the day before...

    Gotta get round to firing up the 56J though. Its been a few months since it was driven. Can only drive one at a time, so tend to rotate them every 3-4 months. I leave the inop ones on trickle charge, and start their motors every month or so for a few minutes, year round. With electric fuel pumps on all of them, they usually fire up easily.

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    [QUOTE=DEEPNHOCK;1048292]And this from an English major? (Glad I didn't read any of it)


    Troll somewhere else Jeff.........

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    Hilarious...
    36 replies to this thread were from yourself.
    I made one comment.
    My point was made long ago...




    Troll somewhere else Jeff.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEEPNHOCK View Post
    Hilarious...
    36 replies to this thread were from yourself.
    I made one comment.
    My point was made long ago...
    PLEASE stop trying to ruin every thread I start!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeHall View Post
    Fired up the 62GT this morning and it ran just as it did yesterday, and the day before, and the day before...

    Gotta get round to firing up the 56J though. Its been a few months since it was driven. Can only drive one at a time, so tend to rotate them every 3-4 months. I leave the inop ones on trickle charge, and start their motors every month or so for a few minutes, year round. With electric fuel pumps on all of them, they usually fire up easily.

    Joe, I was wondering where the electric fuel pump is located on the "J"?...Is it at the tank working in tandem with the stock Packard mechanical pump, or did you eliminate the stock pump entirely?...Thanks, Ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    Joe, I was wondering where the electric fuel pump is located on the "J"?...Is it at the tank working in tandem with the stock Packard mechanical pump, or did you eliminate the stock pump entirely?...Thanks, Ed
    Hi Ed,
    With both of the GTs now having EFI, their pumps are inside the gas tank. But on all carbed Studes I ever installed electric pumps on, including those GTs prior, and several 56Js, I have always mounted them up front. I sit them on the gravel shield, just forward of the AC condenser. There, they get cool air, and drawing fuel from the tank has never been a problem with the cube type pump, which I have always used. I also mount them on rubber stanchion type mounts, so they are quiet as a mouse.

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    Joe, I'd be VERY INTERESTED to hear more about the EFI setups on your Hawks! (brands, difficulty of install, cost, etc)...Thanks..Ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by SN-60 View Post
    Joe, I'd be VERY INTERESTED to hear more about the EFI setups on your Hawks! (brands, difficulty of install, cost, etc)...Thanks..Ed
    Hi Ed,
    I have written several times here about the GTs' fuel injection. It a setup by a guy named Bill Hamilton, who calls his business, "Hamilton Fuel Injection", or HFI for short. Just do a search in the archives here and you can probably read about it ad nauseam. That's because I am very much impressed with HFI, so have tried to pass it on.

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