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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    If so, be sure to protect it so you can get a repro Serial Number Tag to match it. BP
    Nice to know one of the most important (if not THE most important in the eyes of the law), pieces of this puzzle has been found, and a re-pop is no longer necessary!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    Nice to know one of the most important (if not THE most important in the eyes of the law), pieces of this puzzle has been found, and a re-pop is no longer necessary!!

    Craig
    Craig,

    Luck just seems to follow John. Almost makes me ill.







    What is also cool is finding this Plate which is like placing the cherry on top..

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    Wow, it just gets better and BETTER! The Original Ray Tanner Studebaker Dealer Plate (DLR) !! Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StudeRich View Post
    Wow, it just gets better and BETTER! The Original Ray Tanner Studebaker Dealer Plate (DLR) !! Awesome!
    Yes, Rich, all the more reason for John to repaint it with the original Studebaker DEALERSHIP LETTERING on the sides, as asked in Post #104!!

    ....and confirms my comment in Post #110.

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    I saw a post about the CARS movie franchise from PIXAR....I nominate the WHISTLER as the representative for the missing Studebaker, the name alone lends itself well to the series, as well as the fact it's fast enough to run with the pack.....

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    The December 1963 issue of Popular Hot Rodding has the recap of the AHRA National Championship races from Green Valley Raceway in Texas. This is the race where The Whistler won the National Championship for the A/CS class. It appears that Floyd Mendenhall's name is listed incorrectly and the speed listed in the magazine is .02 different than what Floyd listed in his letter to Bob Palma shown in Post #1 of this thread.

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    The whole page
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    A closer view
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    Quote Originally Posted by asesolen View Post
    The December 1963 issue of Popular Hot Rodding has the recap of the AHRA National Championship races from Green Valley Raceway in Texas. This is the race where The Whistler won the National Championship for the A/CS class. It appears that Floyd Mendenhall's name is listed incorrectly and the speed listed in the magazine is .02 different than what Floyd listed in his letter to Bob Palma shown in Post #1 of this thread.
    Cool beans, Mike; thanks. There is no discrepancy, though, as to the two terminal speeds.

    Check it out: In Floyd Mendenhall's letter back in '63, he said they held the Record Speed in class: 104.52.

    In that list of AHRA National Winners, they said The Whistler's winning Terminal Speed was 104.50.

    Apparently, the terminal speed posted for their class win and the record speed they held in class were set at different times and are different "things." BP
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    The Information out there on the web about AHRA is hard to come by and even harder is the race tracks that run back in the day. Like Beeline Dragway Green valley drag way. Most likely closed the doors and all track information was tossed out or is sitting in storage of a older gentle man that has no knowledge of how to get it on the web. So when a little piece of information like what Mike Lynch came up in the old magazine article is a great find for The Whistler project. More to come on great finds on The Whistler .Mikes hot on a new lead as we read. Thanks John Kroulik

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    Thanks to photobucket, the pictures in many of the post for "The Whistler" had broken links.

    I've moved the pictures to Flicker.com, and then fixed the links..

    If you made a reply to any of the post and your pictures have the broken links, you can edit your post, as I can not.

    If you go back to the post you clicked "Reply With Quotes" you can copy the "Quote" area and past in your post to fix the links.

    This is not really necessary for you to fix, but if you have some insomnia or just need some alone time, its almost therapeutic.

    It seems this day was long ago. I cant remember where is was placed in the threads, but its can go here for now.
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    Yo Rocky.

    The year, 1977, A young man sits in front of a Packard/Bell TV watching the a Academy Awards. While Sylvester Stallone was presenting an award out pops Mohammad Ali, proclaiming he was the real Apollo Creed and that Stallone had stole his script.

    Fast forward to 2013 and a man named John finding The Whistler.

    .. Read the following..

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/class...cid=spartandhp


    Is it the Twilight Zone that this store is very similar between The Whistler. and the Plymouth Savoy?
    Similarities like the track modification to cut out the Transmission Tunnel..

    I like how they came to Arizona to find a "donor body" for parts and panels.

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    Wow, Seb; you're right; many parallels to The Whistler. The Twilight Zone indeed.

    When John and you guys get The Whistler done, it needs to come to The Muscle Car & Corvette Nationals with a story board to that effect, just like this Max Wedge Savoy.

    Great stuff. Thanks. BP (BTW, your check arrived today, July 31st, while I was gone all day. So Tuesday the 1st I'll be getting everything copied and mailed to you before depositing same.)
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    That Savoy reminds me of my light blue one. Unfortunately, it was a 225 slant six. My 18 year old self yearned for a 440.


    "In the heart of Arkansas."
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    Interesting Item

    An interesting Item came up on eBay that could not be passed up..

    A mechanic's fender protector from Green Valley Drag Strip, Texas.



    Why so interesting?

    This is the same drag strip that "The Whistler." won its class in the 1963 national championships on Labor Day weekend. The insignia was different in 67, so more likely this is from 63 time frame.

    While there was a big trophy presented to the team,



    It is likely the team also received this fender cover as well.

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    Search high and low, Items from this drag strip are very rare, unlike the Arizona "Bee Line."

    Looks like a great addition to the "The Whistler." collection
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    'Way cool, Seb; thanks for the update and congrats on the find. BP
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

    Ayn Rand:
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    G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    'Way cool, Seb; thanks for the update and congrats on the find. BP
    What is really cool is finding a trophy for a color picture!

    This is not from the Whistler, but another guy who ran on that same day, different class, and won his class.
    The Trophy is not personalized, and just notes "Class Champion"

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    Below the "1963" placard, look at the middle Icon, which is the same Logo that is on the fender cover in the above post.

    There is a YouTube video of the Green Valley 66 Championships, No Studebaker's. There is a Corvair, "Worlds fastest" (Given a 5 car lead. LOL) from a local Phoenix dealership and a few Chevy IIs from Arizona. Interesting to watch, with comments from AHRA president that states drag racing has grown 600% from 1960 to 1966!

    https://youtu.be/hrUMvtMdBdA

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    Undercoating, Sort of.

    With all the original undercoating gone, it seems fitting to coat the bottom with some sort of protective coating.

    A good choice is bed liner. It is a dense coating that can be tinted to match close to the body color.

    Durable enough and will stay sealed to the metal, unlike asphalt coatings where moisture can get under it and cause hidden rust.














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    Did you shoot that Blue Bed Liner with some kind of a Gun or what?
    Looks very good, just like the Original floors of my '54 Starliner with the Factory Tar undercoating painted Body Color.
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    Yes you us a gun that is supplied in the with the kit . Real easy to us and should be good well after my ownership of the car and others down the road. Tuff stuff . The color is close to the original but not and exact color will shot over any areas that show with blue mist factory color shade.

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    I restored a 1972 MGB - used 3M's Shutz - it sprayed on with a special attachment - and I painted it body color. It has held up VERY WELL to about 15,000 miles of driving. When I do another car - I will use the same stuff.

    Bottom of the MGB has the same "look" as this stuff. And wears like iron.

    The Whistler is looking GREAT - I am amazed as to what you are finding for the entire project!

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    Bed liner FYI

    First off, Never use this rattle can stuff, unless you are doing a craigslist special paint job..
    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1343001047.909740.jpg

    Most name brand auto paint stores carry "Tintable" Bed liner of really good quality. Two part system with the liner and the hardening catalyst. Ask for it by that name of "Tintable" bed liner.

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    The next thing to ask for is the "Tint." If you ever seen in a home depot they guy grabs a can of white paint and adds the tint to it.
    You don't want this as paint as it will take way from the bed liner formula.

    The Tint is just color. If you left it uncovered for days, it will not harden.

    You can ask them to get you the tint in the same ratio as the color you intend on painting the car with. The bed liner I use needs 10% tint to be close to the body color. It might be suggested as well to buy the body paint from the same place.. If you really want it to match.

    From the picture above, the gun is pretty crude. Control the volume by the line pressure and the splatter patter by screwing in or out the nozzle.

    Also the black bottles in this kit are the paint cup. No need to worry about cleaning up the paint cup, just mix tint, catalyst, shake like crazy, attach gun, and apply.

    Have a good dose of lacquer thinner near by for when the material runs out and you can do a quick clean of the siphon tube and nozzle. This stuff will harden quickly.

    Most of the time, its just you who is going to know that it looks as nice on the bottom as the top, but occasionally you get a person at a car show looking underneath and they will be in for a surprise for sure..

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    Thumbs up Color MATCHING Bed Liner Material.

    That is VERY good Info to know Sebastian, thank you very much.

    There is no reason to do it Wrong, when it is just as easy to do it RIGHT!
    Maybe only a weeks worth of Starbucks more $.
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    Nice to see this project taking shape! The 3M Cavity Wax sounds like good stuff, thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az64stude View Post
    Nice to see this project taking shape! The 3M Cavity Wax sounds like good stuff, thanks for the info.
    ?

    When was this mentioned ?
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    I had talked to John about WAXOYL off blog and he mentioned a product by 3M that he had used and was going to use called 3M Cavity Wax on the Whistler. Well one thing led to another and now I wanted to thank him and what better way than here. It's kind of like the bed liner that John & Sebastian are using as well. Thanks again John for the great tips on body, and frame protection. As always great blogging, and the pictures are great.

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    Stopped by and visited John on Tuesday to see the progress... What a labor of love! The bedliner/undercoat looks great and he's getting close to spraying some Blue Mist paint on the interior. Lots and lots of hours but know the car is worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asesolen View Post
    Stopped by and visited John on Tuesday to see the progress... What a labor of love! The bedliner/undercoat looks great and he's getting close to spraying some Blue Mist paint on the interior. Lots and lots of hours but know the car is worth it!

    I've posted this pic in another thread.



    Removing the tail light on another blue mist car, the left side is the original, and the right side is the new paint.

    John had them make a slight adjustment to the formula by going with a finer Poly. The current formula uses a lot of course poly.

    This color is pretty much dead on! The paint is PPG, so excellent spray and coverage quality.




    The floors were finished in bed liner..

    The door jams and non visible panels sprayed as well.



    Trunk with bed liner and paint.



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    Let's back track to post #242 the Photo of 2 guys with zip lock bags in hand is the Exchange of title and tags. It turns out that when I had Patty Naugal run some car serial numbers through DMV The Whistler number came back as a registered up to date car in there databank oh boy what to do now. They would not release any information on who it was registered to. After a week or two I ask a lawyer friend or I should say he ask me if I had any luck with it I said no then he ask me for the serial number call back in less then 20 minutes Bingo had a name and address but no phone number? So I got to asking around if any one knew of this gentlemen ? Turns out to be a regular customer down at Chucks sales yes lucky me. A deal was made tag and title for tag and title nothing more . So this car that it was on was at a estate sale about a year or so before Chuck past away. Chuck mike and I stop to look over the inventory most had been sold the tag was on a 63 2 door Sedan. I look at it at the sale and even noticed the tag been screwed on but never gave it a Second look so any ways I just keep knocking the barriers down or mysteries. John
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    That is just a better than GREAT job you are doing John, you are to be commended for a Job well done in the Studebaker Tradition: "Always GIVE more than you promise".

    Thank you for saving the VERY Best and most desirable of Chuck Naugal's Collection!
    The whistler2 .jpg I think if I were you, I would at least "consider" Craig P's suggestion in Post 104 and 244 about the Markings, maybe just have Decals made, not to be absolutely permanent.
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    'Just gorgeous, John; you da' man! BP
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    Bob just said it all! It is a wonderful job you are doing.
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    As far as the paint goes its PPG and they call the library back east to get the formula. The gal mixing thought it was to courses of a metallic compared to my sample. I only bought a quart of it. She was right so the next quart I went with a fine metallic should bring a bit more blue out of it and less metallic the guy that mixed the second one up look it up and found that One manufacture used a fine in there mix and the rest used course .???? thanks john

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