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    I have just about over looked a big part of this story. That is the man that stored The Whistler all these years. Not knowing he was storing such car in his flock of Studebakers. The one and only Chuck Naugle he has been a big part of the discovery, if it wasn't for him there would be no story to read, as we are reading now. More on Chuck and The Whistler to come. John Kroulik

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    Quote Originally Posted by studejohn View Post
    I have just about over looked a big part of this story. That is the man that stored The Whistler all these years. Not knowing he was storing such car in his flock of Studebakers. The one and only Chuck Naugle he has been a big part of the discovery, if it wasn't for him there would be no story to read, as we are reading now. More on Chuck and The Whistler to come. John Kroulik
    I sure hope you with your "as found" photos and BP with his 1963 photos and correspondence can get together and do a story for Turning Wheels. And Muscle Car Review has a nice column titled 'Rare Finds' expressly for discoveries like this one. This would be VERY fitting, considering the January MCR was outstanding for performance Studebaker coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studejohn View Post
    I have just about over looked a big part of this story. That is the man that stored The Whistler all these years. Not knowing he was storing such car in his flock of Studebakers. The one and only Chuck Naugle he has been a big part of the discovery, if it wasn't for him there would be no story to read, as we are reading now. More on Chuck and The Whistler to come. John Kroulik
    Great, John; 'looking forward to it. BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    I sure hope you with your "as found" photos and BP with his 1963 photos and correspondence can get together and do a story for Turning Wheels. And Muscle Car Review has a nice column titled 'Rare Finds' expressly for discoveries like this one. This would be VERY fitting, considering the January MCR was outstanding for performance Studebaker coverage. Craig
    Right on, Craig!

    I think we'll get Tom Shaw on that detail later this year, to kind of spread out the Studebaker exposure. BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    The one remaining Whistler mystery is ascertaining the relationship between Studejohn (John Kroulik), SScopelli (Sebastian Scopellite), and asesolen (Mike Lynch).

    They've all had their fingers inThe Whistler pie, but darned if I can 'figger out who's on first. (At least I think Studejohn is the legal owner and the car is in his possession...well, for the time being, that is...) BP
    Bob, You are right. John Kroulik is the owner. And I've just been fortunate to be able to tag along on his Studebaker Adventures.

    John and I have been friends for several years, we even call our wives Lucy and Ethel for all the trouble they can create. Anyway, when I was transferred to work in Tucson for a while, John drove down from Phoenix and we made a visit to the Studebaker legend, Chuck Naugle. It was a great time listening to Chuck's stories, getting to see 40 acres of Studebakers and his multi-car garage full of Studebakers, toys, trinkets, memorabilia etc etc. The best day of show and tell ever! After that, there were many times I would leave work in the afternoon and go visit Chuck. We would sit in his garage till after dark looking out at his huge collection of Studebakers surrounded by the beautiful high desert and share stories while Chuck sipped on his beverage of choice, Throwback Pepsi. Chuck has an unbelievable number of tales to tell. It would be nice to know how miles he put on that famous truck "Earl"; always loaded down with Studebakers and Studebaker parts. I enjoyed this for several more months before transferring back to Phoenix.

    Since then John, Sebastian, myself and others have made frequent trips to visit Chuck. We always make sure to bring one of Chuck's favorite meals, which always include the farm boy's favorite green beans and plenty of Throwback Pepsi. It's always a great day of hearing new stories and wandering about this Studebaker holyland. It was on one of those trips that John set out in search an R series sedan. But he will have to tell the rest of that story.

    One last thing I'll add. Many of you on the forum have seen the quality of work that Sebastian has completed on his Lark convertible but it was quite impressive to see him salvage a wiring harness from a Lark and adapt it to Chuck's '61 One Ton (an original 9 ft bed), known as "Sherman T". Great job Sebastian! Are you a brain surgeon, or a rocket scientist???

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    Thanks, Mike.

    Now where and when did "Seb" enter the picture? (Your report was kind of like reading a novel and all of a sudden, a new character appears with no explanation!) BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    Thanks, Mike.

    Now where and when did "Seb" enter the picture? (Your report was kind of like reading a novel and all of a sudden, a new character appears with no explanation!) BP
    I met John around 2010, right before the National Meet in Phoenix through Dave T-Bow in MA. (Figure that sequence out)

    In fixing up a Studebaker, its would be nearly impossible unless you know John or know the guy that John knows. So I'm sort of a parts junkie and John is on speed dial when I need a fix.

    At some point, I think John got tired of hauling parts for me so he invited me on a treasure hunt so I could haul them myself. That's when I met Mike. When John told me it was at Chuck Nagel's place I was taken back.

    I told them about the time, some 35 years ago, when Chuck stopped by my dad's place in Tucson and asked if he could rebuild a 4bbl carb for his 62 Champ Truck. While my dad and Chuck talked about politics, I got busy removing and rebuilding the carb.

    So it was a great day doing a road trip, meeting old acquaintances, making new friends, and treasure hunting.

    It's difficult to say how or why people become friends. Studebaker's might have been a catalyst, but I doubt its was enough for someone to become a friend and offer their help when you need it and for one's self be willing to pay it forward.

    I've only bought one new car in my life, a 2002 Sequoia. All other, and there are and were many, were in need of fixing. It was unfortunate one day when my girlfriend asked, "Why do you like these old cars?" My reply was honest "I enjoy a challenge of fixing up old things that are in need of repair." Somehow she took that as a reference to our relationship and well you know..

    John and Mike, are from my view, the same as they enjoy working on cars and having a challenge. Hence our involvement in the Whistler.. Hopefully they've seen my mistake and will never utter those words to a woman.

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    Cool beans, Seb; thanks.

    It looks like all three of you guys had a hand in getting The Whistler identified and removed from its certain death. More power to all of you, and good to have "met" you all, even though I've only met John in real life. 'Hope we all get together soon. BP
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    This is John's wife, "Ethel" (really...it's Lorilee, and just putting it out there that Lucy (Lisa) and I are the FARTHEST from creating trouble! Sometimes! (Although we do get really loud and wound up!) We really have a lot of fun together! We love that our hubbies hobbies bring them such joy and can count on BIG grins when they return from a visit with Chuck. Upon a late night return unloading, the men can often be caught rehashing the day in the darkness. (as if an all day excursion and 2 1/2 hour ride home was not enough) Oh Boy! Their excitement is like watching kids in a candy store! As for The Whistler, a long-time friend located the original photographer from the track out at Beeline Drag Way. At 90 years "young", and still living in Arizona, he was able to access his collection and came up with a handful of never been seen photos of The Whistler" . Now, I'm sure that every wife has trouble finding the BEST gift for Christmas but I have to say, that with the help of our friend, I SCORED! Of course I wrapped each photo individually to stretch out the excitement. They will be posted soon I am told. It will be great to watch as this story continues to unfold! hanks for keeping it alive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by studejohn View Post
    This is John's wife, "Ethel."

    As for The Whistler, a long-time friend located the original photographer from the track out at Beeline Drag Way. At 90 years "young", and still living in Arizona, he was able to access his collection and came up with a handful of never been seen photos of "The Whistler" . Now, I'm sure that every wife has trouble finding the BEST gift for Christmas but I have to say, that with the help of our friend, I SCORED! Of course I wrapped each photo individually to stretch out the excitement. They will be posted soon I am told. It will be great to watch as this story continues to unfold! hanks for keeping it alive!
    Woo-hoo!

    (OK, John; Christmas was six weeks ago: WHERE ARE THOSE PICTURES ?????) BP
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    Ah more pictures..



    This picture was taken in Nov. 1963. First note.. Its now called "The Whistler."

    Notice both drivers.. Its like they are hugging the steering wheel so they can probably shift better.. or maybe some rule to lurch forward for safety..

    Who knows..

    This is Bob's original post picture.


    The Impala and the Whistler had sporty white wall tires on the rear, while the 60 has them on the front. I guess the 60 Lark didn't get the memo..


    But no one noticed a sticker on the instument panel at the begining of the post, so I'll make a comment on it..


    it said, "Don't be caught dead sitting on your seat belt"

    Was this a message from ADOT (Az Dept Of Transportation)?
    No.. I do not think so..

    More likely if you got caught not wearing your seat belt on the track, you were disqualified..

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    As for the whitewalls on the rear only. I'm betting they were "Atlas Bucron" tires that were known for the being sticky and were used by many stock class racers at the time.
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    John, looks like Lorilee did you right for Christmas!!!

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    The 60 Lark hardtop is only 3/4 a car length behind at the finish. Not bad for a 259. The 62 Impala is showing the same gap. It is a 283 or 327? Looks like a GT Hawk is parked near the pole at the end.
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    What Bob Caser said in Post #92; 'prolly so.

    Tom (Post #94). I am sure these photos were both taken near the starting line, not finish line. Rarely are there bleachers and that many people parked at any drag strip's finish line. Near the starting line, the little '59 Lark could have been that close to The Whistler during the first 60-180 feet.

    The photos were undoubtedly taken the same day, as evidenced by the Dodge pickup truck parked up to the spectator fence.

    I don't profess to know the AHRA classifications de jour, but I'm betting the 1962 Impala is a 327. See the letter to me from Roy Mendenhall in the very first post that opened this thread. Roy says the Chevy (he writes Chevie!) is running A/S. I can't imagine a 283 running A/S in any sanctioning body.

    Further, examining the original photo here with a magnifying glass clearly shows the checkered flags of a 327 emblem on the front fender, rather than the simple, unadorned "V" of a 283.

    Great photo, Seb; 'keep 'em coming! BP
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    Years ago I had 60s Hot Rod Mags, and I swear this picture was shown. as I remember the writing on the front fender,I don't have them any more so I can't check.
    Quote Originally Posted by SScopelli View Post
    I'd like to point out something that has fascinated me since this thread began.

    This thread is not only about "The Whistler", but something more.

    Sure it was exciting to see the car removed from its ominous burial in the desert, but only because it had the telltale signs of it being a real "R" car. Until it was truly out in the open, only then could one see the worn off markings and the ghost it left behind in the paint, that this was a race car as well.

    But lets go back to the end of 1963, when a young man named Bob Palma, took a clipping from a race magazine and wrote to the car dealer that was sponsoring a 63 "Blown" Lark drag car. The only reason he was able to write to "Ray Tanner Motor's" (some 1700 miles away) was because he searched out back issues of Studebaker news for the dealer's address.

    What the..?

    In today's age, we can do a Google search and have information like that at our fingertips in milliseconds. But in 1963?



    Most grownups during 1963 didn't find much interest in life past the end of Main street in their own town, let alone an 18 year old during that time.

    If you're not familiar with Bob Palma's letter to Tanner Motor's and the response Bob got back from Tanner Motor's, you can read it again by clicking on the post link below. You can hit the back button when you're done..



    You might also want to note, that the picture Mr. Palma clipped out of his magazine, and the gloss photo that was returned, had some interesting updates between them. The one Bob clipped out looked like a fairly new car with stock disc brake rims, and had white shoe polish writing on the doors and fenders. Also note, no mention of being called "The Whistler."

    This picture was taken in October of 1963, by J.R. Bloom while it was racing at "Bee Line" Drag Strip in Scottsdale Arizona, and note, No name..



    The Stickers with the Cross-hair on them is an Autolite sparkplugs one. The oval shaped one at the bottom of the window, second from the right is the Bee Line sticker..






    Yes, Full RACE.. It was a 300 degrees duration and .505" lift. Also the end of the Cam was stamped, "Hard Face" which may have been an indication that it was welded back up to regrind at the high lift. This cam would only be suited for short high reves like a drag race, opposed to stop and go traffic.

    if you were to "Drive" this cam, it would seem like the car had no power.. That is because street driving is from 1k-3k RPM. This cam is for performance at the 4k-7K rpm range, especially at the end of the 1/4 mile where your RPMs are expected to be at max.

    If you hit MAX RPMs from your engine at the end, it means you left noting behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Caser View Post
    As for the whitewalls on the rear only. I'm betting they were "Atlas Bucron" tires that were known for the being sticky and were used by many stock class racers at the time.
    Not likely, the flat sidewalls and square shoulders tell me those are Casler or M&H Racing Slicks, a little pricey, just about all Tire stores sold Retread copies for the CASO's, the Whistler and the Impala opted for the "Top of line" Whitewalls.

    The stickiest Street Tires were the Atlas or Goodyear Butyl, those were like bubble Gum or erasers, I still have a set of 1963 Goodyears still on the original '56 Power Hawk wheels I put them on in 1963 they're on my (Dad's) '56 Hawk that he sold New.
    I wonder if they still have 1963 low smog L.A. Air in them?


    As far as I know we never had to run Street Tires at AHRA or NHRA Strips.
    I guess the Muscle Car Drags are the only ones that do that for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    What Bob Caser said in Post #92; 'prolly so.

    Tom (Post #94). I am sure these photos were both taken near the starting line, not finish line. Rarely are there bleachers and that many people parked at any drag strip's finish line. Near the starting line, the little '59 Lark could have been that close to The Whistler during the first 60-180 feet.

    The photos were undoubtedly taken the same day, as evidenced by the Dodge pickup truck parked up to the spectator fence.

    I don't profess to know the AHRA classifications de jour, but I'm betting the 1962 Impala is a 327. See the letter to me from Roy Mendenhall in the very first post that opened this thread. Roy says the Chevy (he writes Chevie!) is running A/S. I can't imagine a 283 running A/S in any sanctioning body.

    Further, examining the original photo here with a magnifying glass clearly shows the checkered flags of a 327 emblem on the front fender, rather than the simple, unadorned "V" of a 283.

    Great photo, Seb; 'keep 'em coming! BP
    This photo might help show that the photos were taken close to the start line as the guy in the middle with the jacket is at the staging line. And the Bee Line Banner is in both shots.



    I also agree the race between the 60 Lark and the Impala were on the same day as proved by this die hard fan in the black shirt..


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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Years ago I had 60s Hot Rod Mags, and I swear this picture was shown. as I remember the writing on the front fender,I don't have them any more so I can't check.
    Joe, I've long thought I remembered this photo being clipped from the old CARS magazine, but have never been able to find a copy, or any other documentation, so I may have clipped it from another magazine.

    If it helps you remember where you saw it, I can tell you that the original clipping is on cheap, pulp-like, off-color newsprint, not the slicker, higher-quality paper used by Petersen Publishing in magazines such as Hot Rod. I have many period copies of Hot Rod from the early 1960s, and the paper they used was much better than the low-quality pulp on which that first Whistler photograph is printed.

    I rarely see CARS magazines at Swap Meets, but when I do, I look through as many as I can, trying to find the copy in which I think The Whistler photo appeared. So far, no luck. BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by StudeRich View Post
    Not likely, the flat sidewalls and square shoulders tell me those are Casler or M&H Racing Slicks, a little pricey, just about all Tire stores sold Retread copies for the CASO's, the Whistler and the Impala opted for the "Top of line" Whitewalls.
    Upon further review, Rich, I tend to agree with your assessment. BP

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    This is indeed a great thread. Some of the pictures here are also at the H.A.M.B.'s "NHRA Junior Stock" thread. It is a long one but if you are persistent you will find several Studebaker pictures. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...a+junior+stock
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    Upon further review, Rich, I tend to agree with your assessment. BP

    There are several photos showing the "Whistler" in it's heyday. I am still of the opinion that the photo of it racing the 62 Chevy they are both running passenger tires. Casler slicks at the time were recaps and the supply of the new narrow whitewalls would have been limited for their production at the time.
    I can do further diligence to find out when "cheater slicks " were alllowed in stock class racing. Beeline Raceway was a AHRA sanctioned track and had different rules than NHRA requirements. Attached are some photos of Atlas Bucron tires the choice of street racers of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Caser View Post
    There are several photos showing the "Whistler" in it's heyday. I am still of the opinion that the photo of it racing the 62 Chevy they are both running passenger tires. Casler slicks at the time were recaps and the supply of the new narrow whitewalls would have been limited for their production at the time.
    I can do further diligence to find out when "cheater slicks " were alllowed in stock class racing. Beeline Raceway was a AHRA sanctioned track and had different rules than NHRA requirements. Attached are some photos of Atlas Bucron tires the choice of street racers of the time.
    Good point, too, Bob; they were indeed the choice for the street. I remember handling those Bucrons in the course of working in a busy, full-service gas station, and they were soft and sticky.

    Let us know what you're able to find out about cheater slicks at AHRA strips circa 1963. Thanks. BP
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    Lets say there will be no question as to which end of the track this picture was taken



    Note the single collector drag pipe under the car. It was noted that there may have been trickery in how it was configured to help suck the exhaust out for that extra bit of power. Could it have made the noise that sounded like Whistle at high RPMs?

    I posed this question in another thread, but it just died.

    "How would you restore The Whistler?"

    Ted's Tomato looks like a stock Studebaker that came off the deal's floor. Awesome!

    The Whistler on the other hand was rode hard and put away wet.

    If I were to guess, after one year it started racing it was looking like a car that not even the best refrigerator salesman in Alaska could sell.

    * Field modification done with a can opener (Dull one at that).
    * Banged up floor board from when the drive shaft twisted like a candy-cane until it came out of the transmission and beat the underside.

    A race car oozing with character to some just not everyone's taste.

    Look at it's picture. A single collector for the drag pipe under the right center of the car. Tubes bent everywhere coming from both sides of the car to that collector.

    Square tubing traction bars welded from the rear axle spring plate to the frame, similar to the Tempest in Bob's post.

    But not streetable..

    I'm looking for honest opinions along the lines of
    "Bone stock from the factory", to
    "Patch it up and make it run ugly!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SScopelli View Post
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    I'm looking for honest opinions along the lines of
    "Bone stock from the factory", to
    "Patch it up and make it run ugly!"


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    ...well since you asked, I'd be patching it up and running it ugly simply because the probability of doing a frame off restoration back to the height of it's heyday is a bucks-up and time consuming process, plus one would need a lot more documention to get every detail correct...patching it up on the other hand requires a little more free artistic, or should I say 'historical' licence, and a lot less money. Once running and rough, then you could restore to the level you see fit, and as your pocketbook allows you. I think restoring it to factory fresh is missing the point...pure stock, or what ever you wish to call it is not what this car is, or was all about. Bottom line, IMO, doing something with this car is far better than doing nothing. cheers, junior.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SScopelli View Post
    "How would you restore The Whistler?"
    Same as the Tempest in the first post in this thread: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...mpest+aluminum

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    How would I restore it? I don't know if I would! I don't know if it has the original front clip or not which might impact my thoughts. I might try to re-assemble it, and leave all the patina in place. I fine it awsome to compare the "as found" condition of the car with period photos, but that is just me. If one was to take it to the next level, I would then restore it "as raced" warts and all.
    The whistler I want to see is the car in the photos, NOT how it appeared on the showroom floor (and this is coming from someone who did restore my R2 to as-built condition).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    Same as the Tempest in the first post in this thread: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...mpest+aluminum

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    The Tempest was a "Factory" race car and I would expect it would look much like the restored version at the track. The Whistler was a private entry, much like the 55 Chebby we raced back in the day. Most stock class drag cars back then looked like 5 YO street drive cars with less than professional lettering and numbers. That's what I'd return it to. Just like the pictures show.

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    Hay thanks for your input on how the car should be restored. As far as The Whistler being restored to it race ready look. I think thats the way I,m going for. As far as its original patina not much left of it inless you like all surface rust look? then just slap a engin in it and go. No its way to rough to do that.Theres way to much damge to the car from its days as a race car, better left in photos at this pointe .Drive shaft damge I can live with but they did a quick trany fix from the top side .Must have left there floor jack at home that day. Repairs were made but its ugly. You will see as new pix are posted.The roof has a hole in it for a CB antenna.No big deal ether but it looks like thay had a few Victey dance on it to.I think Bob Palma will agree on removing some of it Warts and starting over with new patina.He has seen the pix, as he says not much there. Keep the replys coming all is welcome . Thanks JOHN KROULIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetolbob View Post
    The Tempest was a "Factory" race car and I would expect it would look much like the restored version at the track. The Whistler was a private entry, much like the 55 Chebby we raced back in the day. Most stock class drag cars back then looked like 5 YO street drive cars with less than professional lettering and numbers. That's what I'd return it to. Just like the pictures show.

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    This car was not a "5 YO street drive car with less than professional lettering and numbers." It was a serious entry by a seller of the product with professional lettering of his business prominently displayed on a brand new car. And Tanner Motors ordered it from the factory to go racing with. I look at Tanner Motors was to Studebaker as Royal Pontiac was to PMD.

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    John, IMHO the "race ready look" is the way to go!

    looking forward to pics of your progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Caser View Post
    Attached are some photos of Atlas Bucron tires the choice of street racers of the time.
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    My dad said the only problem with those Bucrons is that they did not make noise when they would spin on the pavement - but that did not happen much because they were so soft.

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    Any updates on The Whistler? I would love to see a "day 2" restoration with all the lettering and race ready attitude! Restoring it to day 1 factory stock would be an injustice,like a picture of a Purple Heart war hero without his Purple Heart pinned on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Caser View Post
    As for the whitewalls on the rear only. I'm betting they were "Atlas Bucron" tires that were known for the being sticky and were used by many stock class racers at the time.
    They very well could be. Atlas 'Bucrons', or Firestone 'Butylaires', (made with butyl synthetic rubber) gave really good traction on dry (or wet) pavement. They did wear out very fast though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    I think we'll get Tom Shaw on that detail later this year, to kind of spread out the Studebaker exposure.
    After reading my "Hemi in the Barn" once more, perhaps Tom Cotter might want to also pick up on the story, and add it to his 'barn finds' book portfolio should he start another volume.

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    Two For Tuesday

    Well since Tuesday was a special day on the Mickey Mouse Club, Why not on the forum?

    In Post #104 I had mentioned something about how hard the Whistler was run..

    Quote Originally Posted by SScopelli View Post
    If I were to guess, after one year it started racing it was looking like a car that not even the best refrigerator salesman in Alaska could sell.
    This picture was taken in March 1964. In examining this picture, One notices some extra markings on the rear quarters and some writing on the passenger window..


    Let me blow it up for you..



    You can see faintly the shoe-polish written "For Sale" on the passenger's window.

    What is nice also to note is how nice it does look on the out side. No digs or crunched fenders and the Tail lights are still on it.

    For the Second Picture:

    Interesting to find one with no driver in it, just parked..


    I've also enlarged the area of the window with the stickers on it..


    You can see the two Bee Line stickers, one under the STP, and the Race participant one on the Quarter..
    Autolite spark plugs with the circle and cross hairs, and another Autolite on the lower right window..

    The Tire sponsor is right above the lower right Autolite sticker and may answer which tires the Whistler ran..

    Enjoy



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    Looks like Floyd Mendenhall is covered over too?

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    Looks like it is wearing some chrome reverse wheels in the stationary photos, and lost the whitewalls. Still looks like it is in pretty good shape!
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    The poll results are in and the clear decision was the discovery of "The Whistler"



    One last look as Floyd battles The Whistler on at a night time drag race.



    Look for future post to be of parts gathering and rebuilding..


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    Great, Seb. We are waiting with bated breath. BP
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