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    1963 Avanti R2 value vs R3

    Guys,

    I would really appreciate your opinion on what a concours quality ( but high mileage)restored 1963 Avanti R2 would be worth in todays market. I know it would be no where near what a R3 would bring and the only info I have is that a "1" rated car would be worth between 25,000 and 30,000 dollars.

    This is the car I need to know about: Is this a 95 pt car or even close. Note the wheels and tires, I think it is a strong "1" but not concours quality.

    http://www.connorsmotorcar.com/63Studebaker.html

    Thanks for your responses.

    Steve

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    quote:Originally posted by Avanti82

    Guys,

    I would really appreciate your opinion on what a concours quality ( but high mileage)restored 1963 Avanti R2 would be worth in todays market. I know it would be no where near what a R3 would bring and the only info I have is that a "1" rated car would be worth between 25,000 and 30,000 dollars.

    This is the car I need to know about: Is this a 95 pt car or even close. Note the wheels and tires, I think it is a strong "1" but not concours quality.

    http://www.connorsmotorcar.com/63Studebaker.html

    Thanks for your responses.

    Steve
    The paint is much better than factory, and other than the flat black under hood paint appears to be a high point car in the 30K plus range. That paint job would cost 15K alone IMHO.

    JDP/Maryland

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    I don't think that car is even a "2" in the classic sense. I think it's a nice driver # 3 and worth way less than half the asking money.

    Side marker lights, poorly recovered seats on a dingy interior, no power steering, metric speedo etc., etc.

    Nice driver and cruise night car, kind of what I consider my car to be. My guess $12-15K.

    ErnieR


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    quote:Originally posted by Avanti82
    I think it is a strong "1" but not concours quality.
    A #1 car is...Excellent. Restored to current maximum professional standards of quality in every area. In a sense it has ceased to be an automobile and has become an object of art. It is transported to shows in an enclosed trailer and when not being shown it is stored in a climate controlled facility. It is not driven. There are very few #1 cars. (In fact, I have never seen a #1 Studebaker of ANY model).

    A #2 car is...Fine. Well restored or an extremely well maintained original showing very minimal wear. Except for the very closest inspection a #2 vehicle may appear as a#1. The #2 vehicle will take the top award in many judged shows except when squared off against a #1. It may be driven 800-1000 miles per year.

    I'd say the Avanti in the link is a weak #2 or strong #3. OCPG lists a #3 at $12600 and a #2 at $19600...+40% for the R2 option.

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    quote:Originally posted by bige

    I don't think that car is even a "2" in the classic sense. I think it's a nice driver # 3 and worth way less than half the asking money.

    Side marker lights, poorly recovered seats on a dingy interior, no power steering, metric speedo etc., etc.

    Nice driver and cruise night car, kind of what I consider my car to be. My guess $12-15K.

    ErnieR


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    You lost me on interior, it looks fine to me. What's dingy about it ? The steering wheel and dash pad seem exceptionally nice, and the seats look factory. 12-15K ??, I need to buy my 4 speed R2's from you, that's less than market for a car needing paint and more. Any 4 speed Avanti R2 that runs and has hog troughs will bring 12K needing everything else.

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    Dash and wheel are nice...look at rear carpet driver's side floor and carpet in general looks faded. Close look at the door panels and rear quarter interior panels, armrests front and rear, seat backs especially the tops of the seats where material may have been pieced in, black knobbed window cranks, a clock from ???? that looks like the hole may have been enlarged to fit it in the dash..

    Did early cars come without side chrome on the console or is this one just missing? And, what's the extra arm on the steering column? Not a tilt wheel...horn or add on blinkers?

    Even the bumpers look like they need to be re-done. Front is wavy and unless I'm seeing dirt the back needs a re-chrome.

    Remember, I am picking at it as a supposed number one or number two car.

    I wouldn't argue pricing with you because you are more in touch with the market but I think the car is a nice paint job on a so-so car.




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    quote:Originally posted by JDP

    That paint job would cost 15K alone IMHO.
    Seller said in the listing that it cost $20K[:0] I need to get back into doing paint work...

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    quote:Originally posted by bige

    Dash and wheel are nice...look at rear carpet driver's side floor and carpet in general looks faded. Close look at the door panels and rear quarter interior panels, armrests front and rear, seat backs especially the tops of the seats where material may have been pieced in, black knobbed window cranks, a clock from ???? that looks like the hole may have been enlarged to fit it in the dash..

    Did early cars come without side chrome on the console or is this one just missing? And, what's the extra arm on the steering column? Not a tilt wheel...horn or add on blinkers?

    Remember, I am picking at it as a supposed number one or number two car.




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    Faded carpet is not a big deal, with new sets costing $350, the car is not a 400 point car with some minor wear on the interior. I agree about the clock replacement, but look at the gauges and bezels. That's a $1500 gauge restoration bill you don't need. The car is not flawless, maybe not a 40K car at retail, but 30K would be ballpark.
    I sold a similar car without the show paint for 27K last year, and it had some minor issues too. The paint on the posted Avanti is just stunning.

    JDP/Maryland

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    quote:Originally posted by bams50

    quote:Originally posted by JDP

    That paint job would cost 15K alone IMHO.
    Seller said in the listing that it cost $20K[:0] I need to get back into doing paint work...

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    That sounds possible, Sid the GT Hawk's job was 11K, and that's a steel body.

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    I'll let the metric speedo pass, as the destination was Trieste, Italy !! I'd like to know what that arm is for too, as the PO isn't giving up very much. The only thing I can think of is Option #63 might have something to do with it. A chrome handle instead of a footpedal.

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    Do you think those side marker lights were installed because of Italian requirements? I know that many European countries require a blinker light on that side.

    Next part of the question...if you are not European and think they look like cheap JC Whitney add-ons how much do you deduct for a $15,000 paint job that needs two fenders repaired?

    ErnieR

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    quote:Originally posted by PlainBrownR2

    I'll let the metric speedo pass, as the destination was Trieste, Italy !! I'd like to know what that arm is for too, as the PO isn't giving up very much. The only thing I can think of is Option #63 might have something to do with it. A chrome handle instead of a footpedal.

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    Option 63 is windshield washers. It looks like a Lark shift lever hooked up to something. Might be just a switch strapped to the column column to blink the high beams for passing in Italy.

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    I dig the extra pint of paint from the factory that went with the car on its trip to Italy.

    It does look like a nice Avanti. As nice as it is, and it is really nice, it is not a #1 car. Its painful to say that because it presents itself well in the pictures. Some naysayers may doubt that $20k was spent on paint, but I've seen it done when you include all the body work and hours spent doing it over and over until it has jewel like transistions from panel to panel. Too bad that they painted the engine compartment black - makes me wonder about the restoration. For a $20 large paint and body repair bill I would also have expected some rehaping of the doors to correct the factory goof of having the lower rear portions of the door stick out.

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    You would also need to have the area below the grill painted red instead of flat black!

    I think the car is a beautiful paint job attached to a nice car. If the buyer wants to build a high point show car maybe he's ahead a little but there's still a lot of time and I think money to be spent and he shouldn't pay too much for this car.

    If the buyer wants a nice Avanti with a 4 speed that he will rarely drive on the highway, wants to impress at the local cruises and needs to build up his biceps while driving than maybe the car needs nothing else and you pay a little more.

    I never thought of high beam for the arm on the column, I bet that's what it is.


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    quote:Originally posted by bige

    Do you think those side marker lights were installed because of Italian requirements? I know that many European countries require a blinker light on that side.

    Next part of the question...if you are not European and think they look like cheap JC Whitney add-ons how much do you deduct for a $15,000 paint job that needs two fenders repaired?

    ErnieR
    Maybe $500 to fill the small wire holes and blend the paint. I paid $600 to do one entire side of the Survivor Avanti and they blended clear coat/color cost over the factory paint so close you could not see the blend. Again, not saying the car is perfect, but I'd pay 25K in a heartbeat unless I'm missing something. BTW, here's the paint blend on my Avanti that I had to do when the owner had the door painted the wrong shade.

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    quote:Originally posted by bige

    You would also need to have the area below the grill painted red instead of flat black!

    I think the car is a beautiful paint job attached to a nice car. If the buyer wants to build a high point show car maybe he's ahead a little but there's still a lot of time and I think money to be spent and he shouldn't pay too much for this car.

    If the buyer wants a nice Avanti with a 4 speed that he will rarely drive on the highway, wants to impress at the local cruises and needs to build up his biceps while driving than maybe the car needs nothing else and you pay a little more.

    I never thought of high beam for the arm on the column, I bet that's what it is.


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    BTW, speaking of headlights, check out those lamps, some serious wattage there.

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    The right paint guy can do wonders. I had the quarter and trunk re-shot on my 76 Chrysler and the match is perfect.

    I'm still a little surprised you would pay 25K for that car. It even needs a front bumper center section!

    BTW, I forgot how beautiful that '64 survivor was. Those wire caps change the look of the car but also look so good they should have been the standard cap.

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    The black interior does look dingy but some times black can give that look, do you think the exhaust pipes shoot flames not cool on an Avanti, that is part of what make the rear end of an Avanti look like a bad dude, not 2 into 4 pipes, should be an easy $20,000.00 maybe not in today's market..Bob

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    quote:Originally posted by bige

    The right paint guy can do wonders. I had the quarter and trunk re-shot on my 76 Chrysler and the match is perfect.

    I'm still a little surprised you would pay 25K for that car. It even needs a front bumper center section!

    BTW, I forgot how beautiful that '64 survivor was. Those wire caps change the look of the car but also look so good they should have been the standard cap.

    ErnieR

    That's how I make a living, you think it's a 12-15K car, if I find a owner that would sell me a car like that at that price, I think I could put a few grand in it, and make a tidy profit.

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    Interesting item on console, which tells me that it's owner was European alright(drives for the experience rather than just a simple point A to point B), the radio's not installed. There's an Avanti Radio Delete Plate(call it what you want, lol) installed instead of a radio.

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    I know John and that's why I wouldn't truly argue a price point with you. In fact, if I was faced with purchasing a car like that you would be the first person I would ask for direction.

    But it's fun to toss opinions back and forth...

    ErnieR

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    That's how I make a living, you think it's a 12-15K car, if I find a owner that would sell me a car like that at that price, I think I could put a few grand in it, and make a tidy profit.

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    quote:Originally posted by bige

    I know John and that's why I wouldn't truly argue a price point with you. In fact, if I was faced with purchasing a car like that you would be the first person I would ask for direction.

    But it's fun to toss opinions back and forth...

    ErnieR

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    That's how I make a living, you think it's a 12-15K car, if I find a owner that would sell me a car like that at that price, I think I could put a few grand in it, and make a tidy profit.

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    Yep, and the rest of the forum may well decide to pick a value somewhere in the middle.

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    About the lamps, Europe used different standards than the US did when it came to headlamps(they were tons brighter). The headlamp may very well be a conversion to H4 headlamps, instead of having the US sealed beams. The sad part is the only way to know that is to look at the headlamp itself to see if its Hella, Cibie, etc.

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    Ernie the only true way to determine the value of this car is #1 go inspect it and then make an offer. This car is actually in the AOAI roster and is regestered to a firm in FLA. The car is located in West Chester PA about a 2-3 hour ride for you if you don't get lost. he also had a 63 Daytona Convertible that we checked out qhich was nice but over priced. "Cars That matter" Dave Kinney's pric guide tells me this car pending inspection has a value of $25-30K tops. Pictures are a wonderful thing but a first hand look at a car like this is a must. Then the actual price is what a willing buyer is willing to pay a willing seller. Saw the car before and JP's estimate is what I'd pay.

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    quote:Originally posted by Avantidon

    Ernie the only true way to determine the value of this car is #1 go inspect it and then make an offer. This car is actually in the AOAI roster and is regestered to a firm in FLA. The car is located in West Chester PA about a 2-3 hour ride for you if you don't get lost. he also had a 63 Daytona Convertible that we checked out qhich was nice but over priced. "Cars That matter" Dave Kinney's pric guide tells me this car pending inspection has a value of $25-30K tops. Pictures are a wonderful thing but a first hand look at a car like this is a must. Then the actual price is what a willing buyer is willing to pay a willing seller. Saw the car before and JP's estimate is what I'd pay.
    Many thanks Guys, lots of good info here already. I had already sent an email to the Dealer indicating that I would buy the car for $25,000 cash if it checked out OK and he refused that offer. That is why I wanted to get some opinions from all of you before I went higher. I have requested additional photos and a list of all work done. I am not much inclined to go above $29,000 at this point.

    Also I almost forgot to add, does the fact that it has Italian mods on it decrease or increase it's value.

    Thanks again,

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    I wouldn't have to go see the car to determine if it's a #1 I can tell very quickly by the pictures it isn't. An inspection would reveal what level #3 that car is.

    To me that car was dressed to sell. It is poorly detailed, needs bumpers, carpet, paintwork in spite of the 15K paintjob ( lower front valence and fenders where the side maker lights are ), probably a new dash fascia, a clock, lots of detail work on the engine, ( just look at the plumbing on the dual master cylinder and you have to wonder how many other "upgrades" were done in the same fashion ) trim over the passenger side window properly positioned...I could go on just from the pictures.

    Besides the fact that it's an early car with no power steering and a 4.09 rear. Not a good highway car and heavy handed around town. The road tests of the day showed that an auto equpped 3.73 R2 was quicker in the 1/4 mile and that they felt the 4 speed ratios were poorly matched to the engines torque curve.

    These pictures tell more by what's not shown than what is. Lots of looks at the paint and the mediocre recover on the seats. No headliner or undercarriage. I'm really hard pressed to see the value in this car.

    This car is a "Cougar" Avanti. Lots of makeup for a night out but up close in the morning light you'll be sorry you paid $29,000 for that car. I'd rather have this one that I would bet a beer ( or two ) doesn't crack 20K.

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    Of course, if I was remotely interested in the car my heart would overcome my brain and I would be writing a check and then rationalizing my poor decision later. All the while trying to convince most of the Stude world that the lights on the fenders make it rare because it is an Italian Avanti.

    Hey! I could also answer yes when I'm asked if it's Italian by the general public.

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    Ernie the only true way to determine the value of this car is #1 go inspect it and then make an offer. This car is actually in the AOAI roster and is regestered to a firm in FLA. The car is located in West Chester PA about a 2-3 hour ride for you if you don't get lost. he also had a 63 Daytona Convertible that we checked out qhich was nice but over priced. "Cars That matter" Dave Kinney's pric guide tells me this car pending inspection has a value of $25-30K tops. Pictures are a wonderful thing but a first hand look at a car like this is a must. Then the actual price is what a willing buyer is willing to pay a willing seller. Saw the car before and JP's estimate is what I'd pay.

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    Guys,

    I have given this car a lot more thought and I have advised the dealer that I am no longer interested in purchasing the car.

    You guys were a tremendous help and noticed a lot of things that I did not.

    thanks again,

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    quote:[i

    This car is a "Cougar" Avanti. Lots of makeup for a night out but up close in the morning light you'll be sorry you paid $29,000 for that car. I'd rather have this one that I would bet a beer ( or two ) doesn't crack 20K.

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    Again, we look at cars differently. The linked Avanti does not run, needs paint and body work, the power windows are froze up and it'll need brakes and a lot more. Even at 15K, you be over 30K in to get it in the shape of your "Cougar" even without spending 20K for paint. I do agree the liked Avanti should not break 20K, the Cougar is still worth the 25K offered but turned down IMHO.

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    VIN# for this car is R1465. Folks in FLA who have some involvement in this car are Motorcar Gallery Inc. These are the people who returned the car from Italy to the US. Don't know if this is a help or not but I do have doubts about lots of things here. Steve glad you got a response to your e-mail because trying to get a return phone call is like pulling hens teeth. Enough said.

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    If you are interested in a R-2 4 speed Avanti, I would be willing to sell mine. It is a late production '64 (serial # 5400) that is maroon in color.

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    quote:Originally posted by Guido

    If you are interested in a R-2 4 speed Avanti, I would be willing to sell mine. It is a late production '64 (serial # 5400) that is maroon in color.

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    Gary,

    Thanks for the response but I am looking for a restored car at this time.

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    I wonder what the temp gauge replacing the clock goes to? Is the engine temp gauge inoperable or did they want a Celsius register? Maybe oil or trans temp?

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    It has been a lot of years since I drove an Avanti without power steering and I would not like to do it again.

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    Steve, asking a group about a purchase decision in a public forum is always a double edged sword: the group can have great knowledge - but the group can do such a good job of protectiong you that no car is ever good enough or priced right.

    You are specifically looking for a restored car vs. a project, so the linked '64 is out of the question - yet there is an interesting value equation from comparing the two Avantis. One of the problems with the old car hobby/disease is that do it yourself enthusiasts quite frequently discount how expensive or time consuming it is to make a project car nice. Listen carefully when JDP says that the buyer of the the project '64 will have more than $30K into the car BEFORE paint to get it into the condition of the already restored Avanti. High level paint and body work can make your wallet cry - it is worth paying a premium for a car with an outstanding paint finish. When an experienced buyer/reseller like JDP says he would pay $25k for the car, it is good to keep in mind that he would tend to a few details and then sell it for MORE. To buy this Avanti at $25k would probably be a great deal, but even in the low $30's it is still probably a good deal. Just please promise that you will personally inspect a car before you hand over that money, don't buy any car based on digital photos before you have it shipped to your home.

    Patience may help you land the restored Avanti, Recontact the dealer in a couple of months or so, and provided that they still have the car, ask them to reconsider their pricing. When a car remains unsold the dealer may be more motivated to move it, and put the money into another car that may sell more quickly and profitably. Outside of resellers like JDP who have figured out the Studebaker market, I would venture that most classics dealers end up being disappointed by slow selling Studebakers vs. other hot selling classics out of the same era. this will usually only happen once to a classics dealer who discovers that while it is true that well finished Camaros or Mustangs etc sell briskly in the $35k to $40k range, that this is not true for Avantis. A little while back there was an eBay Avanti on which was the subject of a $92k restoration. It was refinished to a very high level, high quality leather interior with a restomod flavor. Repeatedly it failed to meet reserve while bidding stalled out in the low $40k range. I'm sure the seller was disappointed - but the market for Avantis beyond $35k is very thin. Meanwhile, for a guy like you who wants a beautiful car to enjoy, without embarking on a lengthy restoration, this is exactly the kind of Avanti that you should be considering.

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    quote:Originally posted by Avantidon


    VIN# for this car is R1465. Folks in FLA who have some involvement in this car are Motorcar Gallery Inc. These are the people who returned the car from Italy to the US. Don't know if this is a help or not but I do have doubts about lots of things here. Steve glad you got a response to your e-mail because trying to get a return phone call is like pulling hens teeth. Enough said.
    Thanks for that information. We bought our 1982 Avanti from Tom Clark at Motorcar Gallery and I have nothing but good things to say about him. We love the 82 and it is a very nice car and was represented accurately. He was a real pleasure to deal with. I may eventually give Tom a call about the other car.

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    quote:Originally posted by studegary

    It has been a lot of years since I drove an Avanti without power steering and I would not like to do it again.

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    Gary, I could not agre more. I was a real dummy and so focused on the paint that I did not even notice that the car had no power steering.[:I]

    That was one of the primary reasons I decided against buying the car and advised Carlos (the Dealer).

    By the way Carlos seems to be a very nice person based on my emails with him.

    Steve

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    Thomas,

    Thanks for your comments and insight. I really have to depend on all of you guys here on the forum when it comes to Avantis as I am not a car mechanic and currently have no time to learn. I know aircraft and can drive rivets, do fabric work and electrical, I am also a pretty fair painter, I painted the Royal Air Force scheme on te L-4, but it is totally different than working on a car.

    I think your comments about having patience and going back to the Dealer at a later time could prove productive. I really want an R2 to take to shows along with my wife in her 82 Avanti, I think they would make a great combo. Currently we take the 2010 Shelby GT500 and the Avanti. The 2010 Mustang is a great car and fun to drive it just has no soul or the appeal of a true Classic. I have a true love of old aircraft and cars.

    Best Regards

    Steve

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    Steve, do you have your heart set on only a R2 Avanti? Is a R1 with new paint out of the question?

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    Keep in mind the 2 most relevant factors (other than hog troughs) when pricing an R2 Avanti....

    1) Its a 4 speed +10% easy
    2) Its a 1964 with 42 running improvements over 1963 +20%

    Plus the fact that is one of the best colors for showing off the race inspired lines of the body. White and gold dont have the same impact to many potential owners.

    $29,000 seems somewhere in the neighborhood, either up or down, depending on who is looking for one.

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    quote:Originally posted by barnlark

    Steve, do you have your heart set on only a R2 Avanti? Is a R1 with new paint out of the question?
    Hey Dave,

    I wanted a nice R2 but am considering a couple of R1 Avantis as well. We already have one so it would have to be a really nice car at a great price.

    Thanks

    steve

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