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    Not been around lately

    Won't bore you with my medical issues but it's all systems go again.

    Not many of you on here know me but for those who do, hello again

    Not much work...well....nothing at all... has been carried out on my Daytona so I only have details of what I will be doing, rather than what I've actually done.

    I'm hoping to remove the 4bbl holley 600 and replace it with a rebuilt bog standard Stromberg. I'm currently unsure if my intake is a standard item with an adapter or a proper 4 barrel item, if it's the latter i will be replacing that too. One question here, are the 259 and the 289 intake manifolds the same? I ask as I have found a seller who tells me the intake is off a 259ci. He says "he thinks it fits" but I don't want to buy it, ship it here from the US only to find it doesn't fit.

    After that I'll be replacing the transmission sump gasket and give the trans a fluid and filter change. At the same time I'll drain and replace the diff oil.

    When I have completed that little lot I shall be hoping to sell my carb and intake for a vast sum of money (yeah right ) and put the funds towards new front shocks.

    If all goes well I can't wait for this show season to start. If it doesn't go to plan you'll see a grown man cry!

    Right.....off to ebay and spend some money I don't have
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    Yes, a 259 and a 289 intake manifolds are the same basic manifold.
    A two barrel, two four barrel versions, a WCFB and a Carter mount. If you need a spacer/adapter to mount the Edelbrock intake, then you most likely have the WCFB version. If you are going back to a two barrel, the one manifold available fits/works on both the 259 and the 289 engines. No differences that I know of. Thou some early one were a little taller than later versions.
    All are basic bolt-on's.

    Why are you going back to a two barrel ?

    Don't know about where you live, but here in the states, the four barrel manifolds are pretty plentiful and not worth a ton of money.

    Mike

    P.s. - Have the seller send you pictures, verify that it "looks" like your current intake, outside the carburetor flange.

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    Have you considered something like the Holley fuel injection unit that bolts on in place of a four barrel carb. and has two wires to hook up and it "learns" by itself (no separate computer use needed)?
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    Thanks for your replies.

    I'm going back to standard as my car doesn't seem to like the 600 Holley. It has an awful flat spot that I just can't seem to dial out and no matter what I try it just won't rev and drive properly. I've checked for air leaks, tried setting the mixture, tried re-jetting but the car just will not run right throughout the rev range with the Holley. I had a chat with a well known American car specialist and he told me to stop wasting my time as the 600 is "too much" for my 289 and to buy either an Edelbrock 500 or standard items. Not knowing whether or not the Edelbrock was a straight bolt on swap I've gone for the stock setup.
    Also due to insurance purposes standard is better.
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    It needs to be recognized when discussing 2 barrel carb intake manifolds that there is a big difference in 1958 and earlier manifolds as opposed to 1959 and later manifolds. Thus, be careful in stating that 2 barrel and 4 barrel manifolds are basically the same.
    The early manifolds are the “tall” manifolds. From a fuel distribution standpoint these might be theoretically better manifolds, but these are also the manifolds that required the WW Stromberg carbs with the rear facing air horn and matching air cleaner as used ‘53 - ‘58.
    So, if someone is going to be selling you a 2 barrel manifold, at least make sure it is not an early “tall” manifold since it would be an awkward fit on a Lark.

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    Welcome back fellow Daytona owner.you want the 2bbl manifold that looks like a 4bbl casting on top with the center cut down and drilled for the Stromberg pattern. Luck Doofus

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    Look at my website WWW.studebakersonly.com. I make (convert 2 BBL to 4 BBL) and sell manifolds. Call with questions. 928-970-1562

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    Glad to hear you're up and about. I hope all is well for you for a long time. None of us can escape the ultimate, of course, but we do try to put it off as long as we can, eh?
    I think you'll love a 500 cfm edelbrock on that 259. Its like they were a match made in heaven. Great mileage and good performance to boot. If you have a "square bore" or WCFB 4 bbl intake, an adapter will make it all work very nicely.
    And if you find an AFB intake, all you need to do is bend the bottom of the throttle tab outward slightly and it will fit without an adapter.
    Good luck.
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    Thanks for your replies gents. Sorry it's been a bit of a delayed reply but I'm trying to catch up at work etc. Then the Mrs had been made redundant....oh joy

    Anyway, to the car.....

    The manifold I bought has made its way across the large wet bit between you and I, fortunately it seems to be the correct item. The centre section seems to be milled slightly lower so judging by Doofus' post, I think I'm lucky!!! I'll post a picture as soon as the VHT paint dries.

    When I removed the Holley there were two pipes coming off the manifold on the left (left side as you look from the front of the car). I can see on my 2 barrel where one of the pipes go, but can't suss out where the other goes. Both pipes went to the Holley but the Stromberg only has one fitting. Does this make sense to anyone or am I being my usual dumb self?

    *edit. Meant to say, some err....mechanic??? decided the 4 barel was way too much and "modified" it to run on just half the carb. The second chokes were disconnected and remained closed at all times.
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    Some Carbs. have a hose nipple near the Air Opening for a Hose to the Choke Heater Pipe to improve heat flow by adding suction. Other than the Heat Tube into the Exhaust center port of the Intake Manifold that should be the ONLY other "Pipe" used.
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    A photo may explain a little better. I know one of the pipes from the manifold I'll have to fit a tail connector to a rubber pipe and screw to the choke mechanism just above it. But where does the other one go or should I just block it? Also, where does the large tube connect to coming off the bottom of the carb? (Carb picture, middle bottom). It currently has a rubber bung on it. Sorry if i sound stupid but I've never seen a standard setup so I have no idea.

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    You have 2 manifold nipples, one goes to choke housing other to clean air source,carb or air cleaner.the nipples are a loop for heated air but cant remember where they get clean air. Luck Doofus

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    Quote Originally Posted by doofus View Post
    You have 2 manifold nipples, one goes to choke housing other to clean air source,carb or air cleaner.the nipples are a loop for heated air but cant remember where they get clean air. Luck Doofus

    Thanks Doofus.

    Do you know where the large carb pipe goes? I was guessing a vacuum pipe but I already have one from the back of the manifold.
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    A large vac.pipe at rear base of carb is for PCV hose. if you have parts manual it will show several different versions. if using other than nos pcv valve be careful of flow direction!!! crankcase fumes go toward carb. keep up the good work! Luck Doofus

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    The smaller end of the choke stove loop is where another metal pipe fits over the top and the other end goes to the choke housing. A little difference in length, but this is what that side looks like on my Champ truck. Good luck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 62champ View Post
    The smaller end of the choke stove loop is where another metal pipe fits over the top and the other end goes to the choke housing. A little difference in length, but this is what that side looks like on my Champ truck. Good luck.
    Thanks very much for the photo, major help!!! Now I'm going to be a real PITA.... do you have a photo of the other side? I've got a large threaded hole on the other side of the carb body and I don't know where the hell that goes / connects to???

    Doofus, thanks for the info. I assume the pipe from the rear right side of the intake manifold goes to the PCV pipe on the carb? I have no manuals etc for my car. I've just ordered a workshop manual from ebay.
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    Larkingaround, back up,2 small pipes on choke side of carb form a loop to get clean heated air to choke thermostat, nothing else. Large tube at rear of carb base is pcv only. do you have a pcv adapter on tappet chamber cover? you can modify the road draft tube to make your own pcv adapter, just use the top piece and go from there. what kind of carb are you describing? more info please, it's raining here so enjoying this no end! Luck Doofus

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    Quote Originally Posted by doofus View Post
    Larkingaround, back up,2 small pipes on choke side of carb form a loop to get clean heated air to choke thermostat, nothing else. Large tube at rear of carb base is pcv only. do you have a pcv adapter on tappet chamber cover? you can modify the road draft tube to make your own pcv adapter, just use the top piece and go from there. what kind of carb are you describing? more info please, it's raining here so enjoying this no end! Luck Doofus
    Been throwing it down with rain here too all bl**dy day. But it is England after all.....

    The carb is a Stromberg 2 barrel, --link https://www.ebay.com/itm/17378337189...m=173783371897

    My car has Offenhauser tappet covers with no breather pipes or otherwise coming from them.
    I don't dislike modified cars as long as I have made the mods so I know what's been changed and what hasn't. When working through someone else's mods it's difficult to know what's been altered and what hasn't unless you know enough about the standard car in the first place.
    I made two mistakes....
    1, I bought a car I have little knowledge of.
    2, I bought it from a slightly dishonest seller who negated to tell me about the load of bodges that I'm slowly working my way through.

    It's a lovely car and I can't wait until I can drive it without the flat spots, coughing, spluttering, stalling and general bad behaviour it's displayed since I first had it delivered.

    I'm just now cleaning the Holley up and I'll list it on ebay and see what it makes. I have it working properly on all four chokes now instead of just the two some plonker had "modified" it to do. If anyone needs a square bore intake for a 289 I have one. I know it's worth the square root of sod all but it may be of use to someone?
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    Never seen a large threaded hole anywhere on a Stromberg. they were also used on GMC V6 trucks and lots of other vehicles. can you better describe exactly where the hole is? i have a couple in the shed but none like you describe. Face it those Bodges you complain about are keeping you active and going strong! Rain stopped, time to hit the 60 a lick, i'll look at the Stromberg just in case. Luck Doofus

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    Quote Originally Posted by doofus View Post
    Never seen a large threaded hole anywhere on a Stromberg. they were also used on GMC V6 trucks and lots of other vehicles. can you better describe exactly where the hole is? i have a couple in the shed but none like you describe. Face it those Bodges you complain about are keeping you active and going strong! Rain stopped, time to hit the 60 a lick, i'll look at the Stromberg just in case. Luck Doofus

    https://goo.gl/images/QjFHca

    Hopefully this link will work. You can see the threaded hole on the centre of the carb body.
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    OK mis understanding at this end. that is the vacuum port for the "Spark Modifier" nipple. Keep at it and i'll do the same. Luck Doofus

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    What on earth is one of those and where do I connect it? I should have bought an Austin or an MG. I know what to do with those.
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    That is the vacuum line that will run to the vacuum advance on the distributor Photo below is from the factory. Large hose is PCV - small one loops to distributor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 62champ View Post
    That is the vacuum line that will run to the vacuum advance on the distributor Photo below is from the factory. Large hose is PCV - small one loops to distributor.
    Aaah, advance / retard vacuum pipe. Excellent thanks. We Brits have weird names for things

    I appreciate your help guys, very much appreciated. Without your knowledge I'd be dead in the water.

    Just got to find my PCV connection now. On the photo there's a pipe by the dizzy but mine doesn't have that. Mines a strange old bus.....
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    You may still have the road draft tube. PCV system took a different Cap on the tappet chamber cover.Pcv cap has a tube out the side that bends up, pcv plugs onto that,2 short hoses and an elbow to bottom rear of carb base. Luck Doofus

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    PCVs were required on 1962 models that were sold in California, and US nationwide on 1963 models. However, export vehicles didn't necessarily have them, and lots of them have been removed in the last 50 years. But (obviously) some sort of crankcase ventilation is necessary.

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    Thanks Skip. I've overcome the issue and it's all sorted.

    Doofus, you messaged me to ask about fittings.....I need the three fittings to connect to these.
    Top picture, fuel and heat loop to choke.
    Bottom picture, vacuum to distributor/
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