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    Buttercup's Hood Hinges

    Buttercup's hood hinges are going to be beside the radiator.

    First, mark where you think you want to cut.


    Then cut.



    Next, use CAD (cardboard aided design) to make a pattern.



    Next, use the CAD to cut and form a couple pieces of 18 gauge.

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    You've piqued my interest again Jerry. Are you designing a different style of forward opening hood? Keep us up to speed, it looks cool so far. Bill.

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    That ain't original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbstude View Post
    That ain't original.
    Oh you're such a purist. Come on over to the dark side. Bring that new moredoor you got up and let's put a 500 Caddie engine in it. We'll put some big and littles on it, give it a good rake, then you'll be stylin'&profilin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    You've piqued my interest again Jerry. Are you designing a different style of forward opening hood? Keep us up to speed, it looks cool so far. Bill.
    Thanks Bill. Not a different style for me. I've done this before. There has been previous threads on this before but no step by step pix. Maybe this time I'll get enough pictures.
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    So, is that a REAL antique "Nebraska" vice grips in pic #4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyway View Post
    So, is that a REAL antique "Nebraska" vice grips in pic #4?
    Since i've had 'em for about 50 years I guess you could call 'em antique. I just call 'em my ole curved jaw vice grips. I know nothing of Nebraska vice grips, but these ARE Vice Grip brand.
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    Edited the OP with more pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    You've piqued my interest again Jerry. Are you designing a different style of forward opening hood? Keep us up to speed, it looks cool so far. Bill.
    Here it is, http://www.studebaker-info.org/Tech/...JFroh0716.html

    My computer shows the date that I did my first one as Monday‎, ‎November‎ ‎30‎, ‎2009 9:02 PM
    Bob's Studebaker Resource Page shows July 2016 I guess that's was added to his site by Jeff Rice.
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    I looked at the link to the other car with these hinges, pretty interesting! Just wondering, with that box section to the core support cut away are there any problems or concerns with the fenders moving/vibrating at the front?

    Jeff in ND

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post
    I looked at the link to the other car with these hinges, pretty interesting! Just wondering, with that box section to the core support cut away are there any problems or concerns with the fenders moving/vibrating at the front?
    I don't foresee any problems. They seem to be as strong as ever. But I've never driven one that has had this done to it.
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    My oldies are the same color as yours and say:
    Vice-Grip
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    U.S. Pat. Apt. 14, 1942

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyway View Post
    My oldies are the same color as yours and say:
    Vice-Grip
    Dewitt, Nebr U.S.A
    U.S. Pat. Apt. 14, 1942
    Yep, we have Vice-Grip brothers.
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    More work today.

    Got the sheet metal cut and formed for the driver's side.

    Then welded it in.

    This is what it looks like underneath. I won't dress these welds, they'll be coated with cold galvanizing and covered with undercoating.



    The finished hinge mount location.
    Driver's side.

    Driver's side.

    Pass. side.

    Pass. side.


    Tomorrow I'll try to get the hinges mounted and maybe get started on the hood.

    I just want to say, I hate welding on 65 year old rusty sheet metal that started out as 20 gauge and rust has thinned it down to tin foil and in some places, nothing. It seems like I spent more time chasing and filling holes than I did just joining two pieces of metal together.
    Jamie McLeod, you're the cause of all this. These fenders are off Rusty Ralph. I can save 'em buy it's gonna take a few patches.
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    Nice work Jerry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho View Post
    Nice work Jerry!
    Thanks.
    A little more progress today.





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    Progress.
    Got the hinges finished and mounted the hood.




    This pic looks like the front of the hood is nearly touching the floor. I reality, it doesn't reach down any more than the scoop.


    Got started on the cowl brackets. They'll bolt on to the original hood hinge bolt holes.


    That's all for today, Maybe more Monday.
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    Got to the shop this morning. Looked at the hinge cross bar I fabricated last Friday and decided I didn't like it. Cut it out and spent all day making a new one. I must have set the hood on and off at least 25 times. The clearances are tight between the upper end of thr radiator cradle and the hood. I'm using 1/2" electrical conduit for the cross bar. I finally got a 1/2" clearance between the bar and the hood and the same between the bar and the top of the radiator cradle. Tomorrow I'll grind the welds, reweld any places that need it and give it a coat of semi=gloss black. Then turn my attention to the cowl brackets.



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    Does the crossbar fold down in front of the radiator or on top of the fan shroud? It looks like it goes in front from the pic's. That slanted radiator mounting puts an odd angle on how things look. Cool though!!!! Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    Does the crossbar fold down in front of the radiator or on top of the fan shroud? It looks like it goes in front from the pic's. That slanted radiator mounting puts an odd angle on how things look. Cool though!!!! Bill
    There will be a shroud made to fill the gap between the original latch plate and the top of the radiator core. Similar to this one I did years ago on The Chevybaker. On The Chevybaker I reversed sides with the hinges and moved the cross bar to the top of the hinges. I'm doing Buttercup different (not swapping sides with the hinges and keeping the cross bar in the original Buick location, albeit a different shape).


    When the hood is in the closed position the cross bar lays down to within 1/2" of the top of the radiator core where the top tank is affixed.


    Tomorrow, the hood comes back off to let Robert do his metal magic work on the kinked rear corners of the hood where someone tried to raise the hood without pulling forward on it. Of course, all four hood springs were rusted off it, that didn't help. I'll get better pictures of the cross bar in the closed position then.

    I have already cut out the section of the rear hood cross brace where the original hood hinges were attached. I'll weld in a piece of 11 ga. to mount the rollers to for engaging the cowl brackets.

    Today, I got the cowl brackets finished. I cut the bottom section (the part with the mounting holes) off the original Studebaker hinges and welded them onto the Buick cowl brackets. Bolted them into the original Stude hood hinge mounting holes.
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    I didn't tell you to use rusty fenders. I'm surprised they didn't fly off of the car on the trip back to Georgia.

    Got the sheet metal cut and formed for the driver's side.

    Then welded it in.

    This is what it looks like underneath. I won't dress these welds, they'll be coated with cold galvanizing and covered with undercoating.



    The finished hinge mount location.
    Driver's side.

    Driver's side.

    Pass. side.

    Pass. side.


    Tomorrow I'll try to get the hinges mounted and maybe get started on the hood.

    I just want to say, I hate welding on 65 year old rusty sheet metal that started out as 20 gauge and rust has thinned it down to tin foil and in some places, nothing. It seems like I spent more time chasing and filling holes than I did just joining two pieces of metal together.
    Jamie McLeod, you're the cause of all this. These fenders are off Rusty Ralph. I can save 'em buy it's gonna take a few patches.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    Does the crossbar fold down in front of the radiator or on top of the fan shroud? Bill
    Here's a couple pix of where the cross bar is when the hood is in the closed position.



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    Not too shabby for a Georgia boy!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by starliner62 View Post
    Not too shabby for a Georgia boy!!!
    Thanks, Jamie.
    I like what you're doing with the Wagonaire.
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    Thanks for the pic's Jerry! Do you think this set up could be made to work on the GT hawk with the radiator in it's correct upright position? I'm getting close to starting on mine and I've got the "plans" from Alan in Australia for his set up, but yours is much simpler. I'd like to avoid cutting up the radiator support if possible. You sure are a good engineer and fabricator (of car mods). Thanks, Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    Do you think this set up could be made to work on the GT hawk with the radiator in it's correct upright position?
    I don'tknow why it wouldn't work on a GT. The cross bar is the only thing that would have to be shaped differently. But you will still have to make flat places on each side of the radiator for the hinges to bolt.

    I rolled Buttercup out of the shop to blow all the grinding dust off him and do a little house cleaning in the shop.
    Took the opportunity to snap some more pictures.

    Bolted on the Old Styles and installed the two bar KO's to see how they look. That's 275-60R-15's on 8 1/12 X 15's on the rear and 205-75R-14's on 7 X 14's on the front. Looks like a 60's dragster at present. I'll get him down in the weeds when everything is finished.




    I think I'm going to add another cross bar. This one will be stationary and connect the two hinge mount plates that are welded onto the hood. There is a slight flexing of these plates when the hood is in the open position and you push the hood back and forth sideways. With the hood closed, I have 3- 4" clearance between the radiator cap and the hood and that is about where the cross bar will be. Of course, it'll follow the contour of the hood, so there should be no clearance problems.







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    Looking good! I am duly impressed. Great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    Do you think this set up could be made to work on the GT hawk with the radiator in it's correct upright position?
    Here's the only pic I can find of a '53 I did years ago with the radiator in the original position.



    I found more pix I have stored on PhotoBucket, but I can't seem to copy and paste the img to get them here.
    I managed to get them off PB and onto my 'puter. Then saved them to Imgur.
    Here they be.






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    Thanks for going through all that just to find pic's for us to see. I really need to come up there and see your toys, and thanks or being so willing to show us all how you do these projects. Bill

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    Jerry, is the pic. at the top of #28 the one you put the 500" Cad in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Jerry, is the pic. at the top of #28 the one you put the 500" Cad in?
    Yes, but I have pulled the Caddy out and installed a 6.0 Ls engine out of a 2005 Suburban. I am now gathering the parts to install either a 5 or 6 speed tranny.
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    Hi Jerry
    I have the parts and hope to copy you installations if I ever get back to my Studebaker project.
    Got side tracked about 6 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodysrods View Post
    Hi Jerry
    I have the parts and hope to copy you installations if I ever get back to my Studebaker project.
    Got side tracked about 6 years ago.
    Brian
    Brian. I was wondering how your projects were coming along. Get back at it and post progress pix and reports.
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    Yes, I got sidetracked by Teardrop Trailers, then CycleKarts, and just this past week I bought an MGA project car??????
    Currently I have 18 projects in progress???
    Wife says it is time to set some priorities and sell the rest...........time is running out!
    Oh.....I also bought a MGTF that I am enjoying driving at every opportunity.
    Can't wait to get re inspired about my Studes.
    Glad to see you are still building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Forrester View Post
    I think I'm going to add another cross bar. This one will be stationary and connect the two hinge mount plates that are welded onto the hood. There is a slight flexing of these plates when the hood is in the open position and you push the hood back and forth sideways. With the hood closed, I have 3- 4" clearance between the radiator cap and the hood and that is about where the cross bar will be. Of course, it'll follow the contour of the hood, so there should be no clearance problems.
    Got the second cross bar made today. It really stiffened everything up.


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    What is the advantage of the tilted radiator? Just wondering.... I think the first time I ever saw or heard of one was in 1980s corvette's as it allowed for a lower front on the hood? Here that would not be the case unless you are going to use a taller core than the stock one.

    This hood mod should prevent the infamous Studebaker hook head wounds!! Sadly I have gotten a few myself on my own car. Duane Miller aka "deaf mute" sold some center mounted hood "poles" at the 2009 IM in IA that insert in the stock hood latch and clip onto the big spring bolt on the hood. These are intended for car shows so the wind won't rip the hood off in case of sudden storms at a show but I find it helps prevent knobs on the noggin too.

    Jeff in ND

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    [QUOTE=Jeff_H;1124017]What is the advantage of the tilted radiator?/QUOTE]

    Now I will be able to have a radiator with a 22" tall core as opposed to the 14 1/2" that is the stock size for a '53-4-5 C-K. That's over a third larger.
    The original radiator size is okay for a stock 259 but when you add AC it gets kind of iffy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Studebaker View Post
    You sure are a good engineer and fabricator (of car mods). Thanks, Bill.
    Thanks Bill, but I don't know so much about that.
    I was watching AVE on youtube the other day and he used the term 'fabricobble'. I thought, "hey, that's me". I'm a fabricobbler. I can cobble more $hit together than any three professional fabricators.
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    Today was the day I have been dreading. Sandblasting the hood (I hate sand blasting). This hood is off Rusty Ralph, it has 3 or 4 small rust through pin holes at the very front and the rest of the hood is badly pitted, but no holes.
    91 degrees, high humidity. What more could anyone ask for. I have a 10'X20' carport tent set up to work under and a large fan blowing on me, that helps.
    I ran out of sand after getting a little more than half the hood done.
    Had to make a quick trip to the sandblasting sand store.
    I don't know much about sandblasting, maybe that's why I hate it so much. I used 300 pounds of 20-30 dried and graded sand on this one hood. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
    Oh yeah, I know what I did wrong. i DIDN'T HIRE SOMEONE THAT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO DO IT.
    No pix of the finished hood, but here is where I was when I ran out of sand.





    Maybe more pix tomorrow.
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    What size is your orifice. No!! The one on the sandblaster. I have the same unit as you do but I don't remember using anywhere near that amount of sand on a hood.. My control is a simple ball valve with a carbide nozzle. I wonder if your nozzle has a larger orifice that may be allowing more volume with less striking force. I'll try to remember to dig my blaster out of the storage shed tomorrow and measure it.

    I think my compressor delivers about 16 cfm at 90 PSI and I use about 100 PSI when I blast.

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