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    Self driving cars

    As mentioned in another thread, I'm currently working in Arizona, staying in Tempe. I had noticed at least 2 rather odd looking cars, covered with all kinds of doo dads. Roof, sides, front and rear had all kinds of strange sensors and I assumed camera's. After hunting the internet a bit, it turns out they are Chevy Bolts and are their self driving car test mules. I have seen them out day and night, and taking the same roads over and over (for those familiar with the area, University, Broadway, Rural Rd, etc). I have also noticed several Uber SUV's that are part of their test fleet of self drivers.

    Not sure I'm ready to embrace that technology yet, but I did have a question.

    Why does a self driving car have rear view mirrors?
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    They have rear view mirrors because I believe that in all jurisdictions the cars are still required to have a driver present to monitor things.
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    A "real" one would not, but these are probably standard production cars with proto/testing add-ons. Also, I would expect that sometimes they need a driver when not in "auto" mode.

    A totally self driving car w/o any need for human intervention would not have any driver controls at all other than some method to input your destination (voice activated or some touch screen) and could have seats facing the rear (probably not due to crash restraints though).

    Some years ago there was a concept self driving tractor I saw pictures of that had no cab or other operator controls or seat. Construction equipment would be the same. If someone actually needed to "drive" it, I image they could use a setup like a RC model plane or drone and remote control it around.

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    I hope they get this self driving car thing perfected before they take my car keys away from me!!

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    The SDC (Self Driving Car in this case) looks like it has the potential to put put Valet parking out of business. Just stop, get out and let it park itself. Then there is the malicious side where sensors are intentionally blocked to cause accidents. And come to think of it, the car in front of you slashes through a large muddy puddle. The muck covers some of the sensors - and you are snoozing in the divers seat.

    I think this is more hype and the reality is far more problematic. Do the manufacturers want all the litigation that will likely arise when in theory "they" drive your car? Do they want to sell fewer cars? I mean while you are sleeping your car is in the "Auto Uber" mode ringing up income from people (like those who work nights) who no longer need a car. I never understand why when things like this come along that most people don't consider the greater effect.
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    The best way to travel for me is to step into my Ram Pickup, set the destination 1200 miles away, set back with the 30 oz coffee mug and say go hither and let the Truck's brain deal with all the traffic and other crap. Then when I want to turn the Avanti lose, I can just drive like I own it without concern because all the other vehicles are scrambling to get out of my way.

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    I can hear the announcer now: "Feel the excitement and exhilaration of putting this new Chevy through it's paces as your inputs are immediately responded to by the sensational balance of engine power and outstanding suspension. Aim this beauty at a curve and guide her through the turn with great precision. Feel the pride of "Man over machine" as you become one with your car..Gee what am I saying?...On second thought.... See your local Chevy dealer for a test ride and leave the driving to us!" This is the future of the automobile? Oh!, Joy!...what fun.

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    The very thought of a self driving car scares the daylights out of me. Of course, when I think of it, there are too many so-called drivers on the road who really should be in a self driving car. Rog
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    Having thought more about these self driving cars ( I don't see them out in the sticks where I live) I have thought about a few more things I have questions about;

    1) If 2 self driving cars have a wreck due to a failed sensor/camera, is the person in the car cited for the wreck? I know it would chap my butt to get a ticket for something I wasn't in control of. And what about insurance? I didn't cause the wreck so why should MY insurance go up? Send the increase to the OEM.

    2) What about traffic violations for that same failed sensor? I don't see police suddenly stopping writing traffic tickets. But again, if I'm not actually driving, why should I get a fine and points on my license?

    Sigh. I gotta stop thinking about stuff like this, it makes my head hurt.
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    Well I heartily doubt I'll ever see one on our twice annual commute between British Columbia and Arizona as we stay away from Interstates and just do very remote, extremely scenic, rarely travelled back roads. In fact how many Canucks commute on a dirt road through an Indian Reservation in Northern Nevada? (Google "Duckwater, Nevada" which by the way, has fabulous hot springs but no self driving anything other than cows). I'm pretty sure I'll be dead and buried by the time this becomes a serious reality. Who ordered that auto driving hearse?
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    Not only that, why would One even need a Driver's License seeings how the Car is doing every thing

    Quote Originally Posted by bumpkinvilledano View Post
    Having thought more about these self driving cars ( I don't see them out in the sticks where I live) I have thought about a few more things I have questions about;

    1) If 2 self driving cars have a wreck due to a failed sensor/camera, is the person in the car cited for the wreck? I know it would chap my butt to get a ticket for something I wasn't in control of. And what about insurance? I didn't cause the wreck so why should MY insurance go up? Send the increase to the OEM.

    2) What about traffic violations for that same failed sensor? I don't see police suddenly stopping writing traffic tickets. But again, if I'm not actually driving, why should I get a fine and points on my license?

    Sigh. I gotta stop thinking about stuff like this, it makes my head hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63t-cab View Post
    Not only that, why would One even need a Driver's License seeings how the Car is doing every thing
    Just lease the vehicle, ride in the passengers seat and let the powers-that-be sort it out. I wasn't driving! Officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetolbob View Post
    Just lease the vehicle, ride in the passengers seat and let the powers-that-be sort it out. I wasn't driving! Officer.

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    There are news reports of fears of criminals and terrorists using self-driving cars as weapons or to enable crimes such as illegal drug deliveries or carry explosives.

    Just what we need...something else for people to get worried about. I guess this might be the new "crisis" talked about in the media.
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    A recent note in a local newspaper indicated that SDC's are being tested on a downtown loop in Stratford, Ontario at a blistering pace of 16 kph or 10 mph. Sheesh! I believe speed may be limited by the on-board IT capabilities with a substantial safety margin. It may be a long time before you see a 70mph capability that people can afford. If that proves to be the case and SDC's are speed limited, then I would expect then to be banned from thruways, as posing a hazard to normal flow of traffic.

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    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    And they are coming to my area. Even tho I live 50+ miles away, I still have to go to the city with some regularity.

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    I just cannot imagine myself being able to sit back in a car and it do the driving. I would be a basket case (okay,okay even more of a basket case than I already am) if I was traveling along in a car and have it do all the work. On top of all that I enjoy driving and cannot imagine have the car drive me rather than the other way around. How much fun would that be? Not much as far as I can tell.
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    I love the idea of self-driving cars. Climb in the wide, roomy backseat, tell the computer the destination, read a book, take a nap, have a few drinks, whatever.

    Of course they're not perfect yet, but before too long...

    Naturally some will say: "Dang them newfound auttymobiles. Give me Ole Dobbin anyday. I kin git in back, an' he'll take me home."

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    I just heard a news story the other day about a guy who put his Tesla on auto pilot and ended up ramming onto an emergency vehicle. He claims it was the Tesla's fault. Be interesting to see how all the legalities get sorted out as these crashes become more common! For now, I'm going to depend on my own eyes ears and coordination to get me and my car to where I need to be.

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    I saw something recently where a guy with a self driving car is trying to beat a drunk driving charge because he claims HE wasn't doing the driving. Well, if it is any comfort wayward Amazon drones aren't trimming my hedges yet either.
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    Just remember what Trial Lawyers did to the 1960's predictions and dreams of everyone having their own private airplane or airborne vehicle fifty years ago. This is just getting started, and liability will finish it.

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    Great... Just what we need is more junk to cater to lazy people.

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    Must read: November 2017 Car and Driver issue. (It has a black cover) 31 thoughtful, informative pages on autonomous vehicles and the future.
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    This should work out well;

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/company-h...-in-the-valley

    About like them Amazon delivery drones; skeet shooting with prizes.
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