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    57 Packard parts interchange with 53 K.

    I have a chance to acquire (for free) a 1957 packard clipper sedan body. NO engine or trans. Very rough condition (why else would it be free?)

    I know that it is mostly a rebadged Studebaker. I already have a 53 Commander hardtop. I am planning an engine upgrade for my Commander from the original 232, installing a stock supercharged 289. Not going nuts, and keeping it in the Studebaker family.

    Are there any parts on the 57 Packard that are worth the effort to retrofit to my 53? Such as better brakes (I believe my Commander has 11 x 2 in front and 9 x 2 in the rear, which already seem pretty substantial for such a small car) and the Packard has 11 x 2 in the front and 10 x 2 in the rear), rear axle, etc. Maybe frame reinforcements? I really have NO DESIRE to just part out the Packard. If there aren't parts I can use that would be an appreciable improvement (such as a better brake design) I will pass.

    Any input is appreciated.

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    Yes, the 54, and up (which the 57 Clipper qualifies) brakes are a much better design, and will improve the braking from the 53 design. The rear differential may even be a twin traction unit, and it will also bolt right in. The Clipper may also have a rear anti sway bar. Grab that too. The lower control arms have the later shock mount system, and you will have a larger selection of good shocks if you swap them out too.
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    Thanks much.

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    If there are any good Parts on the Interior of the Clipper or Body Trim, Grille, Chrome, Emblems, Nameplates etc. you will easily be able to sell those, of course there will be nothing on the body that fits your '53 Hardtop so you won't need any of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StudeRich View Post
    ... there will be nothing on the body that fits your '53 Hardtop so you won't need any of that.
    But someone might!

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    If the taillights are included take the car they are worth money if you don't believe me check ebay

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    I have decided to get it. Thanks for all the input.

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    If you acquire the 57 Clipper, let me know what parts you might sell. My 57 Clipper is complete, but I'm always looking for spare parts, particularly trim. Best of luck with your plans. Steve in Montana

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    I actually have two threads going on this. One I was asking about shop manuals for the 57 Clipper and Golden Hawk.

    The car is not actually just the body. It is a complete running car with the supercharged 289. Supercharger recently rebuilt. I described it as just the body, because I had already made a deal to buy the engine and trans. The seller (selling for a lady friend) told me I could have the whole car for the same price, as that way he would not have to pull the engine and trans. I figured what the heck, may as well get the whole car. Any time you do an engine and trans swap, if you don't have the donor car, you end up needing about 100 little pieces that were left with the donor.

    I bought the car, and it arrived today (on my birthday). I just bought it for the drivetrain and brakes and sway bars to swap onto my 53. I had not even seen a picture of the car itself, just the engine with the supercharger. I am shocked at how complete and decent the body is. I had it delivered to a buddy's place to sit until I can get to it. My buddy was freaking out because he knows I am going to cannibalize it to make a 53 Starliner with all Golden Hawk running gear, brakles, TT rear axle and sway bars. Interior is shot but the body is all there; surface rust on the hood and top, and a couple rust holes, but mostly solid. Have not inspected underneath, but I was expecting a much rougher car. There is some rust through on the RR quarter. I believe all the tirm is present. My buddy is really bumed that I am cannibalizing this car. "Man, it is a complete running 57 supercharged Packard. How can you steal all the good parts from it?"

    Frankly, I am just not a fan of the four door 57 Clipper. I get that there are those out there that love them. In a lame attempt to atone for my sin (this isn't my first sin, I put a Chevy engine in my 49 Studebaker farm truck, and am cannibalizing a Ferrari.... you ought to hear those guys moan.... for another project) I promise to do my best to get all the good parts into the right hands. I noticed that the LR tail lignt lens is broken, but the RR is good. Just needs polished. There will be a boat load of good parts, and they will go cheap to those who can use them.

    I will be starting a new thread once I can start making one fabulous car out of the two. Will title it something like "1953 Starliner hardtop gets all 57 Golden Hawk running gear, brakes and sway bars" I am really looking forward to this project. Plan is to have the tranny gone through, make sure the engine runs OK and install all the parts (including big brakes, sway bars, and what I hope is a TT rear axle) on my 53. My 53 is a bit rough, so before taking it off the frame and restoring every thing to like new, I want to make sure I have all the bugs worked out. I will drive it with the current patina while finishing up some other projects. When I am ready, the body will come off the frame, the 289 will be rebuilt to exacting tolerances, the body will come off the frame, the frame can be reinforced, and everything restored to like new. What will I do then? Drive it like I stole it. What could be more fun that a 53 that actually goes and stops like a Golden Hawk?

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    The frames on the 53 and the 57 are the same wheel base. 120 1/2"
    Depending on the condition of the frames it might be worth swapping frames since you are planning on lifting the body on the 53 anyway.
    In stall the pieces from the 53 to move the engine back, steering box and column, pedal assembly etc.
    The frame is thicker on the 57. [14 ga -53, 12 ga -57 ?]
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    I assumed that was the case. Have not looked at the frame yet. The 53 frame is in really good shape; one of the benefits of leaky engine and trans.... everything is oil soaked. If the 57 frame is in good shape, I will do exactly as you have described.
    Last edited by Lynn; 01-20-2018 at 11:38 PM.

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    57 Packard body

    Here are some pics of the 57 Packard Clipper body. 6 of the 8 side moldings are in good shape. Both front side moldings are dented pretty good. I failed to take a pic of the grill, but it is perfect, with a little boat type steering wheel in the middle. Guess that is a tribute to the clipper boats. I may pull the grill and hang it on a wall in the shop as art. Big rust hole in the RR quarter and small rust hole in the RF fender. Floors have lots of rust-through. Hoping the frame fared better.

    Anyway, there will be lots of good parts available. I may just offer the whole body to someone with the time and energy to part it out. If this frame is good, I will use it, and set this body on the 53 frame so it will roll and can be loaded.

    In the meantime, I don't mind pulling easy to pull trim parts and sending them to anyone who can use them.

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    There is a TON of good, hard to find Stainless Steel Trim on that Clipper Town Sedan, maybe even a good Tinted Windshield.

    There are actually 14 Side Mouldings on it.
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    Like the way you're thinking... the '53 is going to be a sweet driver! About that Ferrari and the moaners...do tell, sounds like fun to me! Remember Bill Harrah's Jerrari(s)...loved them, especially the '77. cheers, junior

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    I had to look at where you live when I saw what you called "big rust holes". Those little spots/holes look like a three year old Lark from this area.

    Hopefully, someone will want the entire body, even without the engine and with a bad interior. I can see a nice restomod made from that. No, I do not have another one in me. You need a young person with the desire and time, but lacking in major funds.
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    You are of course, correct Rich. I was just counting the large ones. I did not look closely at the little pieces. There are 14.

    Windshield is ALMOST a winner. Has one star chip that has not spread.

    Radio is still there, as are all the gauges. Car has power steering and power brakes. Hoping (may be too much to ask) that is has a TT rear!
    Driver's window won't quite go all the way to the top, so water intrusion has cratered the front floor on the driver's side.

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    Looks like a neat project Please post pics as work progresses.

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    Unrelated (sort-of) comment. 20 yrs ago I bought a 58 Packard for $300 for parts. I started thinking maybe it wasn't so bad. Pulled engine and got it running. Cleaned the gravel out of the transmission. Scounged up enough brake parts to get them working and did a little body work.We still have and we LOVE that ugly old car. Too bad about 57; they are a nice and very attractive car.

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    Please contact me at vuktica@gmail.com with a phone # to call, and I'll discuss purchasing parts with you. You can also just give me your e-mail address and I'll respond by giving you my phone #.

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    It isn't that I hate the look of the 57. It just doesn't do much for me. While this car COULD be saved, one would be WAY underwater before it is done. I believe its best use at this point is giving its life to make 10 or more other projects better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packardly8 View Post
    Please contact me at vuktica@gmail.com with a phone # to call, and I'll discuss purchasing parts with you. You can also just give me your e-mail address and I'll respond by giving you my phone #.
    Stephen:

    Sent you an email yesterday, the 22nd. My email is a hotmail account, so it may be in your junk folder.

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    So, I am needing to remove all that beautiful side trim stainless.

    Anyone know how it is attached. Certainly don't want to damage it. I have one pretty bent piece that I can practice on.

    Thanks in advance for any help.

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    You might also want to keep the front coil springs for your coupe. The Packard springs might be progressive rate. Your stock 53 springs are pretty light duty.
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    link to 57 Clipper supplement shows location of clips to remove stainless side trim
    http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/htm...Supplement.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpepper View Post
    You might also want to keep the front coil springs for your coupe. The Packard springs might be progressive rate. Your stock 53 springs are pretty light duty.
    If the Packard frame is not rusted (and even if it just has a few rust issues) I plan to use the whole frame and suspension. My 53 doesn't just have light duty springs; it has a 14 gauge steel frame. The Packard is 12 gauge steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acolds View Post
    link to 57 Clipper supplement shows location of clips to remove stainless side trim
    http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/htm...Supplement.pdf
    Thanks Al. Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    If the Packard frame is not rusted (and even if it just has a few rust issues) I plan to use the whole frame and suspension. My 53 doesn't just have light duty springs; it has a 14 gauge steel frame. The Packard is 12 gauge steel.
    Some items on the frame will have to be transferred. The front engine mount brackets will need to be swapped. I think the rear engine crossmember will have to come from the coupe. It would be a good idea to add a bat wing crossmember if you don't already have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    If the Packard frame is not rusted (and even if it just has a few rust issues) I plan to use the whole frame and suspension. My 53 doesn't just have light duty springs; it has a 14 gauge steel frame. The Packard is 12 gauge steel.
    Does the Packard have Saginaw power steering? If it does and you want to use it, You are going to have to get a little creative with the steering column.
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    Packard does have power steering. Not sure if it is the saginaw unit. Weren't there two avaialbe? Either way, not planning on using the power steering from the Packard. The 53 Commander steers very easily. If I decide later to go with power steering will probably add EPAS something like Jerry Forrster is doing on his. The power steering on the Packard takes up a lot of room. If I don't have that pump set up, that will give me a good place to mount a compresser if I decide to put A/C on it.

    Appreciate the heads up on the engine mounts. Does the engine sit slightly farther back in the 53? I believe there are some threads on here that address the batwing cross member and some other frame reinforcing that is desirable.

    I believe there are two or three guys on this board that have done the GH engine into an earlier car. JackV told me he had seen it done a few times, but that it is a tight fit. If someong is aware of a build thread documenting this swap, I would sure like to see a link.

    Thanks again.

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    The engine is farther back on C/K. On your 53 frame the brackets are riveted on. You will have to drill out the rivets. I don't recall what was done in 57. Later cars used 3/8 grade 5 bolts with heavy fender washers on the inside of the crossmember. Look at a later car parts manual. The supercharger may interfere with the hood. You can try the thinner front motor mounts from an R3 car. Doing so might also require a different mounting point of the center support bearing on the driveshaft.
    %7 style PS is an integral Saginaw unit. It is big and heavy. You should be able to use yours from the 53 chassis.

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    Thanks for the info. Had already planned on modifying the hood. Mine is kind of rough anyway, so I don't mind a hole in it with a tasteful scoop of some kind. Will wait until I cut the hole to decide on what type of scoop will look best.

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    Some of you have asked about a few parts. I have not forgotten you, just been buried. Missed two plus mos. of work because of a major surgery, and am still catching up.

    I wanted to hear the engine run. Sherri and I spent the morning helping friends get a 34 Ford Street Rod (351W carbed Ford engine) running this morning. It was their recently deceased father's car, and has not run in many years. Wasn't much gas in the tank, but what was there smelled bad, but not horrible. I put in a few gallons of 100LL (helps to have connections at the local air port). The fuel pump diaphram had ruptured and dumped gas in the oil. Replaced fuel pump with an electric, changed the oil, replaced all the rotted fuel lines, and it ran. Pretty good, but noisy. Has electric cut outs in the exhaust to bypass the mufflers, and I didn't know where he put the switch!

    Anyway after coming home, I figured I had what I needed to get the supercharged engine in the Packard started, so we went over and hooked up a temporary electric pump with a hose going into my container of what was left of the 100LL. She starts up and sounds great. Doesn't even smoke. Power steering even works. I had not personally heard it run, but took the seller's word for it. Dangerous I know, but he seemed to me to be a genuine "car guy" not just a flipper who spouts BS. Guess my instincts were correct.

    In the meantime, back at the ranch, we just made a deal to buy an old warehouse building right behind our home in Guthrie. Way more room than I need, but easier than trying to build a shop in the historic district. Need to get my two post lift in there, along with some other equipment ASAP so I get get to work on my transplant. I believe I will start a brand new thread once the two cars (57 Clipper and 53 Hardtop) are side by side and I am ready to get started.

    One question: I found a tag on the rear indicating a 3.31 rear gear (43 / 13). I did not see any other tags. Does the absence of a second tag mean it is likely NOT a TT rear?

    I think the 53 has a 3.5 or so rear. Can't remember the numbers right now. I plead old age.

    Hopefully next week I can go scout some more parts. I know somone wanted all the rear dual power antenna pieces. I am letting all of that soak in penetrating oil, so that I can remove with the least amount of damage possible. I need to make a tool to remove the bezels withoug putting plier teeth marks in them. They are about 1.6 inches in diameter, with two small holes 180 degrees apart.


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    A quick check on the rear, is to remove the filler plug, and stick your finger in. If it is a TT unit, the guts fill the case, and you will hit it easily with your finger. A non tt differential is harder to touch. (don't get a finger stuck)!!! Tags have been known to get lost.
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