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    4 SPD Lark

    Just curious ..What was the first year for a factory 4 speed lark?

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    1962.............

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    FYI: Chevrolet had the Borg Warner T-10 4 Speed in 1961, and Ford had them in 1962.

    This Ford Case availability allowed the '63 and '64 Studes. to use the Standard Stude. 3 Speed Clutch Housing that Studebaker Cast to mount it, instead of the weird, "Special" Chevy Case bolt pattern Clutch Housing that HAD to be used on '61 Hawks & All '62's.
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    Hey Rich , I understand the different bellhousing patterns on the Stude 4 spds, But didn't chevy start using the T10 on the 57 Vettes?

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    Maybe so, I only know about CARS! As in Impala SS 409's, BelAires etc.!

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    1959 Chevrolet passenger cars had an optional T10 4 speed...

    http://www.348-409.com/1959factpage.html
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    Here is a build sheet for a 62 Daytona 4 Speed.


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    From what I've read, 1961 was the first 4-speed Lark. Never seen one, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwogg View Post
    From what I've read, 1961 was the first 4-speed Lark. Never seen one, though.
    Available on 1961 Hawk, not Lark.
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    My mistake, studegary. You are absolutely right.

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    Well heck....there goes my plan of passing off the 59 as a rare factory 4spd

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    Very timely thread! I just bought a '60 Lark, 259, 3 speed T86 E-1T stick shift trans; Will any of the later Stude 4 speeds be a direct bolt in with my clutch & bell housing? If so, what years & models? I would really like a 4 speed! Thanks in advance! DAN

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    Mine's got a chevy in it but theres lots of guys on here that can answer your question

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    What trans did you use, Lumpy?

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    I used a muncie m20 but you will need something more stude specific. I probably should have been more clear, My lark has a 327 chevy engine in it. Hoping StudeRich will chime in he's a wealth of stude interchange info
    Last edited by lumpy; 11-13-2017 at 09:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratfink396 View Post
    Very timely thread! I just bought a '60 Lark, 259, 3 speed T86 E-1T stick shift trans; Will any of the later Stude 4 speeds be a direct bolt in with my clutch & bell housing? If so, what years & models? I would really like a 4 speed! Thanks in advance! DAN
    You need a '63 or '64 Hawk or Lark Type, Borg Warner T-10 4 Speed, and it WILL Bolt up to your Clutch Housing.
    A '61 or '62 Stude. T-10 has a Chevy pattern case and will not fit, but the '63-'64 has a Ford Case and will fit.

    The Input shafts and many other parts on Chev./MoPar/Ford T-10's will not fit.

    Many people find that the T-86 WITH Overdrive also fits, and CAN BE a better Combo for "Cruising the Interstates" than a Direct 4 Speed.
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    There have been some T-10's backed up with O.D. , I think Jim Geary did this , Ed

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    I'm pretty sure gear vendors also makes an OD for a BW . Just depends on what you want for your application ,gear ratio etc. If you do lots of highway cruising OD is a great way to go. If you enjoy spirited in town driving..or the occasional run down the 1/4 mile ,give me a 4spd Two of my cars have Tremec TKO 600 5spd's in em and they work really well. The lark has a high winding 327 sbc and a muncie 4spd with 4.11s . Drove it for the first time yesterday and again after work today...Still grinning from ear to ear! Although I did toss the alt belt at 6500 rpm, Just ordered a deep groove pulley from Summit!

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    The hot set up to have both a 4 speed and OD (at least for a Chevy), is a Saginaw 4 speed with the OD from a Saginaw 3 speed. Pretty much a bolt on.

    http://www.chevytrucks.org/tech/overdrive.htm
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    thanks all for the input! I think the direction wanna go is in the 63-64 Stude 4spd. Any info on what to expect with a driveshaft? my current 3spd has what I would describe as a long, skinny tailshaft that I'm not seeing much reference to & looks longer than a lot of the pics I'm finding in my research of stick shift cars. Trying to get an education & gather parts over the impending winter! THANKS AGAIN! Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratfink396 View Post
    thanks all for the input! I think the direction wanna go is in the 63-64 Stude 4spd. Any info on what to expect with a driveshaft? my current 3spd has what I would describe as a long, skinny tailshaft that I'm not seeing much reference to & looks longer than a lot of the pics I'm finding in my research of stick shift cars. Trying to get an education & gather parts over the impending winter! THANKS AGAIN! Dan
    4 Speed transmissions are shorter, so the shaft will need t be longer, as well as the Auto had fine spline, 4 speed more coarse spline.

    The lengths are in the parts manual.

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    Good info! Thank you so much!😉

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    I am glad the T-5 tranny was mentioned. That seems like a very viable option.
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    I decided to go with the T-5 from a V-8 Mustang.Same spline count as Stude.I think Fairbon Stude sell the adaptor kit.

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