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    42 President 8

    Hi all, can anyone help with how I find out the model of car I have ? as I am confused between the Presidents and the Commanders. My car is a 1942 ? straight 8, 124 inch wheelbase, has suicide rear doors. But it has some smaller lights in the grill below the main front head lights, yet the wiring diagrams for a President don't show these lights or any indicators, is this correct ? Also how can I tell what size engine I have and if it is correct for the car ?

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    If it has a straight eight from the factory it has to be a President. What is the serial number?


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    The engine number is B 54004 on drivers side of block midway front to back just below the head gasket. Numbers on the engine firewall are 8CW-7 455

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    Both the engine number and body number say 1942 President.

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    Rear hinged, rear doors (with additional small [sliding?] windows in the rear roof pillar) mean its a Cruising Sedan, as opposed to Land Cruisers which had the more modern style front hinged doors (and hinged rear vent windows incorporated into the doors themselves).
    In addition to the chevron shaped clear parking lights incorporated into the bottom of the head light surrounds, the '42s's also had the provision for fog lights (4 or 5 inch diameter? with yellow lenses) built into the grill below the headlights. Cars without the fog lights had small covers over the holes.
    Engine 250 cubic inch I think.

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    Thanks for the advice, when I get a chance I will post some pics of the car, but for the moment can you all suggest what all the knobs would do inside the car as they are not connected to anything ? Does the dash look correct for the car ? the knob just above the fresh air knob with the C on it is the hood release is this the correct position ? does the ignition key switch go in that position ? Oh and what about turn signals where would the switch go for them ?

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    Diameter of the engine turnings look a little "large" to me, but I've not seen a '42 dash in a few years & can't imagine anyone redoing those.
    Knob up top just inside the windshield is for the wipers.
    Also, thought that the Presidents had a starter button somewhere up on the dash as opposed to the one that I think I see in your second photo on the floorboard underneath the clutch pedal. Commanders and Champions did have the floor mounted starter switch.

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    The dash looks right as far as I remember. I'll get some pictures of the '42 President here and post them tomorrow.

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    The ignition switch appears to be in the right location. It was placed further over on the M series trucks and cars of that era to make a shorter run for the armored cable to the coil. The cable was a form of thief protection.
    Here is a picture I Googled. Lots of pictures out there.
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    Agree with both #'s 8 & 9, but where should the starter button be? Dash or Floor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyway View Post
    Agree with both #'s 8 & 9, but where should the starter button be? Dash or Floor?
    I drove the '42 Pres once, but I can't remember where the starter button was.. I think it was under the clutch.

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    Sorry for my mistake re starter button.

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    From a '42 Commander owner's guide.........

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    wow guys thanks for all the pics, a real help. Could I ask for a close up of the windscreen wiper switch, headlight switch, ignition switch and the direction turn signal leaver on the steering column.

    So as the last post has given a pic of a Commander whats the difference between a Commander and a President ?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by R Cubed View Post
    wow guys thanks for all the pics, a real help. Could I ask for a close up of the windscreen wiper switch, headlight switch, ignition switch and the direction turn signal leaver on the steering column.

    So as the last post has given a pic of a Commander whats the difference between a Commander and a President ?

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    I'll get some more pics when I get a chance, it may be a few days.

    Biggest difference is under the hood. The Commander had a 6 cylinder, the President had a straight 8 and a longer hood/fenders to accommodate it. Not much difference in the rest of the car.

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    Hi all, I have got hold of a wiring diagram for a President but it does not show any turn signal lights or switch inside, any answer to this ?
    Also I have discovered that the ignition switch in the dashboard can be turned to the left and the right from the center upright position is this correct and what is the purpose of this ?

    Cheers

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    Directional signals were not standard equipment until the mid-50s, and I don't think they were even optional on the 1942 models (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that). Most of the cars of that generation seem to have aftermarket signals, if any at all. The left ignition switch position on many cars provided power to accessories, but not the coil, starter, etc.

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    Good, so I need to sort out some aftermarket ones, thanks.

    I have also noticed the rubber surround for the back window does not fit properly and it leaks, is this the correct rubber seal ? If not can anyone post a picture of what the seal should look like.

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    Oh and here is a side view of the car.

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    Hi all, I have been trying to sort out the rear window rubber and some Studebaker's I have seen appear to have the glass set inside the metal seam of the window opening ? could anyone post some pictures of their rear windows or a section of what the window seal should look like.

    Also going through the vehicle I have discovered the engine water pump is very stiff to turn and squeaks, does any body know of a part number for a repair kit or a new pump complete ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R Cubed View Post
    Hi all, I have been trying to sort out the rear window rubber and some Studebaker's I have seen appear to have the glass set inside the metal seam of the window opening ? could anyone post some pictures of their rear windows or a section of what the window seal should look like.

    Also going through the vehicle I have discovered the engine water pump is very stiff to turn and squeaks, does any body know of a part number for a repair kit or a new pump complete ?
    SI lists a rebuild kit for your pump for $60 plus shipping on page 194 of their catalog. You can probably get this kit from other vendors.

    EDIT: It has been a long time since I owned a car with this engine. Does the pump have a lubrication point/fitting? You may want to try that first, especially if your pump is not leaking.
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    Your rear window rubber looks pretty similar to my 41. I suspect it was not installed properly. You could get it redone at an auto glass place or pump some black silicone rubber under it and call it a day.

    Turn signals were not even an option. I just use hand signals but if you really want turn signals they make a kit for old Jeeps that will work well. Even supports 6V.
    https://www.kaiserwillys.com/chrome-...71-jeep-willys

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvonada View Post

    Turn signals were not even an option. I just use hand signals but if you really want turn signals they make a kit for old Jeeps that will work well. Even supports 6V.
    https://www.kaiserwillys.com/chrome-...71-jeep-willys


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    The 42 President coupe I posted photos of above has factory turn signals. The Shrocks even cast new plastic switch housings for these cars.

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    Hi all, the starter on my President 8 seems to have stopped working grrrr, battery is charged and connections tight, there is a supply to the top right hand small connection ( when foot starter button pressed ) on the solenoid unit on top of the actual starter motor also there is a supply to the left hand small connection too, where does this go to or should it be a ground ?
    The car does have overdrive and I have seen some diagrams saying there are trans relay and trans solenoid but cant get under the car at the moment so was wondering if they just ground the starter solenoid !!!

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    Does anyone know where the Overdrive relay would be ? I assume the solenoid, governor and lock out switch are actually on the gearbox ? Where would the O.D. kick down switch be, under the throttle pedal ?

    Had a thought, would any of the over drive wiring actually stop the starter from working ?
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