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    Made the first trip in the Power Hawk. 26 miles one way. Everything was fine until a block from home the throttle linkage fell off. I guess the guy forgot to tighten it when he rebuilt the carb. Put the washer and nut back on and tightened them. Good to go. Wife took this picture from out stairs landing last night.
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    Took the car to the Donut Derelicts gathering this morning and all was good. Car was a big hit. People just love the looks of the Studebakers.

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    Great progress Dan. However I couldn't get a picture to load.
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    Pictures didn't work here either, just a lot of numbers...

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    Lets see if it works this time.
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    YEP!!!
    & a really cool angle too!

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    Sure did. Thanks for the re-take and looks good too.

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    Our newly formed racing team is looking for a standard bore block that does not need to be bored out. Little to no taper. A set of four blot main caps. Also looking for one of those NOS 259 crankshafts that have been floating around for years now. Also looking for a Kinsler, Hilborn, Enderle mechanical fuel injection set up for small block Chevy. Richmond or Jerico five speed transmission. If you know where we might purchase any of these items please let me know.
    Dan

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    I thought some of you might like the picture I took with my cell on Friday afternoon.

    Took the Corvette and the Bel Aire to the local car show today. Corvette was part of the local Chevy dealer display. They parked it next to a 2017 model to highlight the differences. Funny part was the 54 had people around it all day and not so much for the new one.

    Guy wanted picture of the 56 sitting next to his 55 T-Bird that had just won best T-Bird award.

    This 1934 Plymouth was my pick for the best of show. Sadly there was not one Studebaker at the show but next year I will work to fix that.

    Small car show and the judging is done by the participants not volunteer or hired judges. Judged by your peers. I agreed with just about very pick.
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    Just got back from a two day road trip. Team meeting and then picked up the transmission for the Hawk. Got a sweet deal on the transmission with shifter. One more piece which gets us that much closer to having everything we need to get started in October. Got the fuel injection system in make a deal mode. Closed the deal on two (2) Pro Chargers with extras. Need to make a road trip to Sacramento to get the engine build started. Also need to get the crank drive for the blower. This project is coming together really well and feels like it is meant to be.

    Does anyone have one of those 259 NOS crankshafts that have been floating around for years? Would like to find one. Also need a block that is still standard bore and not in need of boring out. Anyone have or know who has these items?
    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverHawkDan View Post
    Just got back from a two day road trip. Team meeting and then picked up the transmission for the Hawk. Got a sweet deal on the transmission with shifter. One more piece which gets us that much closer to having everything we need to get started in October. Got the fuel injection system in make a deal mode. Closed the deal on two (2) Pro Chargers with extras. Need to make a road trip to Sacramento to get the engine build started. Also need to get the crank drive for the blower. This project is coming together really well and feels like it is meant to be.

    Does anyone have one of those 259 NOS crankshafts that have been floating around for years? Would like to find one. Also need a block that is still standard bore and not in need of boring out. Anyone have or know who has these items?
    Dan
    We've got NOS 259 cranks, but you may find one closer than Florida. We'd be happy to ship one either way.

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    Dan, Best to get a 232 block and bore it out to 259 size. That way you will get a nice round bore.

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    Alan,
    Grat idea. Now why didn't I think of that. I will check with Ed as he had several of them last time I visited him. I was in La Habra on Thursday night but by the time I was done picking up the transmission it was after eight and I didn't want to come by that late. I am planning a trip to Clay Smith Cams and then to Norco so I will try to get by to see you and your projects.
    Dan

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    Ya Florida might be too expensive. I wonder if Greyhound would ship it for us. How much are you asking for them? I will keep you in mind and if nothing pops up closer I will let you know. Thank you for replying to my inquiry. I think the last one of these cranks I bought was from Virginia. I will look and see how much it cost to ship it out here.
    Dan

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    Well after I met with the cardiologist I decided that if he wasn't overly worried about the fluid around my lung I would go to the shop and get some work done. I missed four days of working after my oncologist called all excited about the amount of fluid around my heart. So I got the fuel tank our of the Hawk as it is not good enough to hold fuel. That gave me access for bolts to mount the temporary gas tank. I installed the marine tank and mde wure it is secured to the trunk floor.

    I still need to get some gas hose to hook it up. Moved on to the exhaust leaks. I thought the flange gaskets might be blown out but no:

    The pipes are just worn thin. Tried to fix one but not going to happen. Took them over to my buddies muffler shop and he will make me some new pipes and supply some flanges. Then I will weld it all up and make it quiet. Tomorrow is chemo day but Thursday I hope to remove the front seat and work on the dash gauges and wiring.
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    I agree with Alan on most everything Studebaker Racing related, but JMHO, no way would I build a max effort 259" on a bored 232" block. This usually gets by on a stock build, but thin cylinder walls and high boost pressure are not for Bonneville.

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    Jack, I thought Studebaker used the same block for all the V8s. If this is true, why would boring a 232" to 259" specs make the cylinder walls any thinner than on a stock 259"?
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    I have bored many 232 blocks out to 3 9/16" and 3 5/8" and run them with no problems. But there is always one and you would be stuck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverHawkDan View Post
    Ya Florida might be too expensive. I wonder if Greyhound would ship it for us. How much are you asking for them? I will keep you in mind and if nothing pops up closer I will let you know. Thank you for replying to my inquiry. I think the last one of these cranks I bought was from Virginia. I will look and see how much it cost to ship it out here.
    Dan
    If you're thinking of using an Over bored 232" Block, why not use the 232" Crank as well? If it has a good Crank, there isn't any reason it wouldn't be adequate, is there?

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    So with only four days left before shoulder surgery I had to get some work done. The following pictures tell the story. I had to wait until late this afternoon before working as it was too hot. When I left tonight after 9 PM it was still 79 degrees outside. Deck lids swapped out (temporary) and modifications done to the rough one. Air pressure test fitting installed. Hood prop rod fabricated with spring. New throttle linkage arm to allow chevy carb to come all the way down to idle. Tachometer installed with shift light. No I did not cut the dash. Removed less than 1/16" of material from overlay to make it fit. Air pressure test gauge installed but need to fabricate a holder for it. Changed the oil and put it back on the ground. Next it goes to the muffler shop for the new head pipes. Then in a month when I am able to drive again I will begin the aero testing per our engineer Andy's instructions. So there will be a break but I will be back with more on this exciting project. 210 MPH in 2018.
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    Another piece of the puzzle showed up yesterday. Got the right one for the job. Our tuner guy used this type injection on his Bonneville car.



    Adapter plates should be here next week. Gathering parts while I heal up from my shoulder surgery.
    Dan

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    I would use a fiberglass replacement hood. That way any scoop configuration is easily accomplished and you don't cut up a serviceable steel hood. I have slit many hubs on my Superlark years ago by having a lubricant on the taper. For the record, I split a hub on my buddies 426 Hemi powered 63 Plymouth as well by not installing it dry. The problem surfaces when you start sticking the tires and the hub experiences the applied torque.
    If this will be a gas coupe class car, not a production class, The hawk trunk lid lends itself to a spoiler much better than a 53/55 coupe trunk lid. If speeds of near 200 are expected, consider rectangular vent tubes between the panel behind the rear window to the floorpan over the rear axle. Without those vent tubes, the rear will raise off the ground at 200. You must vent the high pressure under the car at the rear axle to the low pressure at the base of the rear window.
    Nice car though. I love 56 Power Hawks.
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    Pictures from today's "Day of Discovery". Our Project Manager installed the SBC to Studebaker plates we purchased from Jon Kammer. They are great and fit like a glove. Next he put the Kinsler fuel injection set up on. It will help us reach our goal of 230+ mph. The black top plate has a long and colorful Bonneville history. Tom dug out some old dry sump oil pans that had seen action on the salt. He plans to graft one of them to a Studebaker pan for our dry sump system. Great fabricator and so glad he is our project manager. I will post more as it happens.





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    James,
    I have not been able to locate a source for fiberglass Hawk hoods. Do you know of one? The car is being built for the Production class so a Hawk deck lid will be mandatory. Working with S.C.T.A. on an alternate method of venting the air at the rear of the car. Former crew member for Terry Hunt (the Guam Bomb) is our Project Manager. He was schooled by Terry on all things Studebaker and Bonneville. Very blessed to have him working on this build.

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    Good luck with your project! I'll be watching for updates

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    I don't know much about this so I'm just thinking & hoping I don't sound totally mad, but when it comes to ventilating the rear inside / trunk of the car:
    How about having louvers at the outside rear of the fenders, like the fake louvers on the "finned" Hawks but lower down?
    Or otherwise; open a split at the top of ther ear ribbed panel, then it wouldn't be so obvious?
    Just my own thoughts...


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    'Just checked in on this project, Dan. What a great build and all the interesting things you've encountered. Thanks for the rolling progress. BP
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    Bob and Nox welcome aboard. I have some good news for all the people who were not happy "The Power Hawk will NOT be turned into a race car". Going hardtop with a window fix from the famous Studebaker record holder and all around good guy Terry Hunt who raced the Guam Bomb to record speeds. Although it will not be turned into a race car it will undergo some changes and will end up one of the most beautiful and unique Studebakers you have ever seen. So much is happening with no time right now to share but I promise a full report as soon as I can get things sorted out here.
    Dan

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    Lumpy,
    Thanks for the encouragement and thanks for following us. If you want to join the party even for a day or weekend let me know. This is being done as a team effort and all are invited.
    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverHawkDan View Post
    Bob and Nox welcome aboard. I have some good news for all the people who were not happy "The Power Hawk will NOT be turned into a race car". Going hardtop with a window fix from the famous Studebaker record holder and all around good guy Terry Hunt who raced the Guam Bomb to record speeds. Although it will not be turned into a race car it will undergo some changes and will end up one of the most beautiful and unique Studebakers you have ever seen. So much is happening with no time right now to share but I promise a full report as soon as I can get things sorted out here.
    Dan
    Dan, your brothers, Ed and Bill are delighted about the Power Hawk. I'd buy it off you as is if you were willing.
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    It's mine now and I have a big plan for it. So it is not for sale. I think everyone will love what I plan to do with it. It will be my one of a kind creation.
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    From what I've seen so far from your stuff I trust you...!


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    Nox,

    Thank you for that compliment. At my age I am trying to make my last project the dream and vision I have had since the 1960's. I was inspired by George Barris watching him work his magic as a young and man and teen. I am building what I consider a tribute to him and his genius.
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    That SURE impresses me as I always had a soft spot for customs!
    (Josephine's gonna get her face done too)
    I just saved a 53-54 custom front from being originalized by trading it for a friend who's car I'm working on, so he got the original stuff & another guy got the custom front.


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    Picked up the manifold that will be modified to make it fit the Studebaker engine.

    Need to remove the water passages to clear the distributor and oil fill pipe. Plus it will make it look like it belongs. Plan to get the Hawk brakes and lighting fixed this week so the first of the aero tests can be performed. Will include acceleration tests in the first runs. Then swap out the intake manifolds and rerun the tests. Then change the carburetor and rerun the tests again. Should be able to provide a real world record of how much improvement the Jon Kammer intake manifold plates make on a stock 259 engine.

    Also got the shocks for the 1956 Bel Air. Man these things are amazing and look like a work of art not shocks. QA1 dual adjustable (compression and rebound) shocks, Hypercoil composite springs which are fully adjustable. This allows for the factory fiberglass leaf springs to be removed and not have to worry about them cracking and breaking. This should be a huge improvement in the ride and handling of the car. Can't wait to get them on the car. Hope to install them on Thursday.


    As always more as it happens.
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    It has been awhile. I got sick from chemo and then just as I got feeling better we decided to not cancel our long planned trip to the Pacific Northwest. Because of health issues my wife had to drive most of the 3000 miles we covered. I owe her big time for that. Stopped by my brother Bill's house and got to see up close his new purchased 1957 Golden Hawk. Cool car and it runs great. Talked cars and bench raced for a whole night. He and I used to drag race at Lions in the 70's and I even let him drive the Deceptive Lark down the track when he was only 14. Why not I was that age when I first raced at San Fernando Drag Strip.

    Left Washington and headed to Oregon to my older brothers house. Had a good visit and picked up the short block I had purchased from an SDC guy in Portland. He delivered it to my brothers house. Here are some pics of the crate the engine was in:




    Here is the label that was inside the crate:


    And some inside the magic box pics:



    It is obvious that some critters called this home at one time. Some wood rot but not bad overall. The packing label will go in the build book and the crate will become wall art for my brother and me.

    Now for what was inside the magic box. It was a brand new 232 short block. We thought it might have been a factory rebuilt block as the pistons were marked 1-3-5-7- and 2-4-6-8 and a line and under the line was the number 30. That led us to believe it might have been bored out .030. When I dropped it off at the machine shop in Sacramento they put a mic to it and it is 3 3/8" which is standard for a 232. It was cool to see that the crankshaft main bolts were drilled and safety wired by the factory. This block will serve as the foundation of one of the two engines we will be using next year at Bonneville and El Mirage. It will end up somewhere between 232 and 259 depending on the sonic testing. Plans call for 30 pounds of boost so it will have to be solid. The best part about this block is no rust thinning to worry about. More as it happens.
    Dan

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    Dan,
    It was great seeing you and Cathy again. Sorry it was such a short visit, and all the museums were closed on Monday. I was really hoping you would get to see Dave Bloomberg's Bonneville Avanti at World of Speed in Wilsonville.

    Also, you forgot to mention how heavy that darned engine was. You and I are getting too old to manhandle stuff like that.
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    So after almost two months we are putting the "SHOP" back together. This time it will be a shop not a catch all. Got the two Hawks moved in yesterday. Here are some photos for you to enjoy. Tomorrow is a big meeting day to plan the build up of the Bonneville project. My Hawk will lose its body on Monday or Tuesday and then it will go to its new home. Then the President will be coming over on Wednesday so the body can be taken off of it. It will be fast and furious from here on out.




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    And so it begins. Today I finally got to work on the Hawk. Got the Power Hawk jacked up and on stands ready for Monday. Removed the trunk lid, fins, dash and steering column.


    Removed the body bolts and tested to make sure it is free. Its ready to remove next week. Thought I would take a look at the power brake unit installation project before the body comes off.


    It is easier than I thought it would be. Thought it looked easy because of the Dodge frame so I looked and measured the Power Hawk. This is about a days work on the Stude frame if you have an automatic. A stick would be a little more challenging. So I am ready to move forward with the body removal and then suspension and frame work then on goes the new body. Sure is good to be back in the shop and the new look and feel is awesome. More on Monday.
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    So today the donor body for the Land Speed race car was delivered. It looks to be a pretty solid car that has some rust issues but nothing terrible. The perfect start to a full on race car. This car "saved" the Power Hawk body. Friday we hope to get the body ready to lift off and prepped for media blasting. The frame will move over one bay for modifications to the front clip and a straight axle suspension installation.








    Kathy and I would like to wish each of you a very Happy Thanksgiving. We have so much to be thankful for this year and we hope you do too.

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    Great work day. Cargo container better organized. Work bench shortened and painted. Power Hawk master cylinder removed, rebuilt and re installed. Brakes are working great again. Seat belts installed. Drivers side engine mount replaced. Fabrication started on the mount for the electric hoist for the gantry crane. Hope to start lifting bodies of frames on Monday. Got my old tool box emptied. Mt pit crew for today, three of my Grand Kids, cleaned it up and then I told them I was giving it to their dad. An early Christmas present. Bolt and nut storage system installed by grand daughter. Turns out she loves working with power tools.





    Hope to have the Power Hawk road ready by tomorrow. Call the insurance company on Monday and hopefully begin the aero testing on Tuesday. Road testing during the day and body removing at night. Life is good.
    Dan

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