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    Humbled by Friends; MANY thanks

    As many of you know who attended the last day of the 2017 SDC National Meet, a kidney stone of which I was unaware, and never having had one, decided about 3:30 AM early Saturday morning, May 6th, to break loose and begin what has got to be the most painful experience I've ever had.

    Ted Harbit and I were rooming together at Comfort Suites on Kern Road and old 31. After 40 minutes of stumbling around the room in excruciating pain and being careful to not step on Superman's cape...oops, I mean wake Ted...I realized this was not indigestion and I had better call an ambulance. 'Thought maybe my appendix had burst. Got dressed, left Ted a note as to why I was not in the room when he awoke, and went down to the empty lobby. The night desk clerk, as is typical at that facility, couldn't have been nicer and had South Bend's Finest pull up in an ambulance post haste. Off to Memorial Hospital ER downtown.

    Ted got up later, read my note, and checked out. He then had breakfast (oops; he didn't; see Post #30!) at the Comfort Suites freebie/included breakfast "buffet" and brought everyone up to speed as to where I was...or wasn't, as was the case.

    While there in ER waiting to be discharged with several Rx prescriptions and instructions to not drive anything that day, Jim Turner called to offer help. Tom Lawlis, another Indy Chapter SDCer, called to volunteer to retrieve me once discharged.

    Tom picked me up and we went right to the fairgrounds, stopping to get some prescriptions filled on the way. By the time we arrived at the fairgrounds, Ted, cousin George Krem, George's wife Ludene, and Nelson Bove had all devised a plan to get my trailer hooked up to my truck and The Stude Tomato loaded on it for its trip back to Ted's. George and Ludene were going to follow Ted home to visit a couple days anyway to get The Plain Brown Wrapper ready for summertime. (It currently "lives" at Ted's.) George would drive my truck and loaded [with The Stude Tomato] trailer. Ludene would follow in their new Focus.

    George called about 7:30 Saturday evening to say everything was safely back at Ted's...about the time Richard Poe called to check in and Howe and Charlotte Clark stopped at the house to see if Cari wanted to sell any of my cars yet. Hmmm....

    Earlier in the day, having picked me up at the ER about 9 AM Saturday morning, Tom Lawlis said he had taken all the photos he wanted the previous day and was inclined to head for home, just a few miles from our house, and would I like a ride home? Boy, was I glad to have that offer! Since all the logistics were in place to get everything back home from South Bend, I took Tom up on his offer and was home in Brownsburg in bed at 2:00 PM Saturday afternoon. John Kern also stepped up at the fairgrounds to offer help.

    'Hated to miss the 2017 SDC Car Show with the new format, but I could barely move and really wanted to go home. The ER doctor said it was a small stone and was far enough down that we should wait and let it pass naturally , which she expected it to do presently. It's still there at 8:00 PM Saturday evening , so I'm hoping it passes soon. It's still pretty painful.

    'Times like these, a fellow is genuinely humbled by the goodness of SDC friends, so I want to publicly thank them for stepping up Saturday and getting everything taken care of that I was suddenly unable to do. It is truly humbling.

    Thanks so very much to all. BP
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    Well Bob...I just clicked on this thread. Not only can I identify with this situation, but can truly do it with sympathy AND EMPATHY!!! Superman or not, Ted is very lucky it was you and not me. If it had been me, Ted would have been startled awake with me loudly (between shouts of agony), demanding a piggy back ride to the lobby!

    I read your post to my wife (Nurse Donnie) and we got a good laugh, (at yours and my expense) comparing behaviors between your reaction and mine to those little internal demons!

    I think a kidney stone attack is God's way of letting us men know the pain women experience in natural childbirth. Glad you are home. This too, shall pass. Prayers for a speedy recovery, for you (and Cari).
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    Praying for a quick, and complete recovery for you, Bob. And...sending up a word of thanks for friends like those we have.

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    I feel for you Bob. I also had one at an inopportune time. I was at an event held in the Village where my father lived (and I grew up). The day had been proclaimed to be in my father's honor. He was 100 at that time. We went to the event reviewing point in front of the Village Hall in a police car and I left in an ambulance. Oh - it was also my birthday. My only request when I was being loaded into the ambulance was for the police to take Cathy back to where our car was parked (at my father's home).
    I am not trying to make light of what you went through. I am just one of probably many here that have gone through a stone and know what pain it is. Not the worst pain that I have been in (that was at the SDC Convention in Dearborn - another story), but right up there.
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    Bob,
    It was nice talking with you at the meet, sorry to hear about the stone! I can also relate and know first hand what you're going through.
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    I too can relate to what you are going through. I had a kidney stone once and it was the worst pain I had ever experienced. The Studebaker community is a very good group of people. Hope you have a speedy recovery. When I passed my stone naturally their was little to no pain associated with that if that is any consolation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jclary View Post
    I think a kidney stone attack is God's way of letting us men know the pain women experience in natural childbirth. Glad you are home. This too, shall pass. Prayers for a speedy recovery, for you (and Cari).
    Thanks, John; you make a good point.

    My Nurse Practitioner daughter says kidney stone delivery is more painful than childbirth...and since she and hubby have three children, she's in a position (well, has been in a position!) to know.

    I would tend to agree. If childbirth was as painful as a kidney stone, every child would be an only child! BP
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    Get well fast and hopefully it passed by now.
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    Bob,
    Glad you are getting through it, and hopefully will be on the mend soon, when the stone(s) finally pass. I had a female co-worker who told me of her experience with kidney stones, and said it was nearly as painful as childbirth. She was advised to drink water with fresh lemon juice in it; for the remaining years we worked together, she always had a lemon water bottle on her desk. Based on her experience, even with kidney stones us guys are still lucky, but I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.

    Get well soon!

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    Bob,

    Glad you are feeling better. It's nice to know there are so many people ready to lend a hand when something goes wrong. Glad you got home OK and your rig got home.

    Rest up and we'll see you in Bean Blossom in a couple weeks!

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    Bob, I really feel for you. But at least you got to attend most of the meet. I as supposed to have surgery on Friday which was only part of the reason we couldn't go to South Bend. Fortunately my problem appears to remain under control so surgery was cancelled. Get well quickly Bob.

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    Bob, I have witnessed somebody going through that agony and it looked TERRIBLE. Glad you were able to get the Studebaker family to help you out! Hope you never have to go through that again.
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    Bob, I suffered through the same situation while attending a Northeast Zone meet in Maine. Like you I was so grateful to the SDC members who helped me with not only the recovery of my GT Hawk which was abandoned on the roadside but also getting me back to NY - Paul Shuffleburg and Charlie Davis

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    Get well soon.
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    So you're saying that of all the Studebaker meets that you have attended, this will be the most memorable of all time?
    Good luck BP, it was nice talking to you but am sorry that Ted's chocolate covered peanut butter balls had such a terrible effect on you. Take care!

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    Hope you get past this quickly Bob, we hope to see you at the Orphan Car Drags in a couple of weeks at Bean Blossom, Indiana.
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    Yikes! Joe has had kidney stones and I know from him that they are bad. I hope your recovery goes well.

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    As of 6 PM Sunday evening, I am no longer stoned. How the hell anything that small could cause so much pain is beyond me.

    Thanks for all the good wishes; 'feeling fine and back in the saddle.

    Thanks again to all who helped. BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    As of 6 PM Sunday evening, I am no longer stoned. How the hell anything that small could cause so much pain is beyond me.

    Thanks for all the good wishes; 'feeling fine and back in the saddle.

    Thanks again to all who helped. BP
    OK...I just returned from buying "mater" plants for my garden. Came in the house to change into my clod knocker boots before returning to the garden and noticed you had finally responded (again). Happy to note that you have announced being no longer stoned. If your experience has been like mine (and many others), by now your vocabulary has been introduced to some new words. Such as calculi, hematuria, oxalates, crystalline, etc. After my very first visit to a urologist...I think I developed PTSD. Caused by that terrifying sound of a latex glove snapping around a wrist...followed by the words..."BEND OVER!"

    So Bob...seeing all the responses from those of us having had similar episodes... wishing you well, and letting you know, you are a member of a fraternity, to which there is a large membership. Nobody was invited to join, but everyone in it was initiated. Joining, is always involuntary, and certainly spontaneous. Regardless of whether you are in a bad mood, grumpy, or happy to be relieved...it is a "Rite of Passage." (drink plenty of liquids)
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    Bob,

    Glad you're feeling a bit better. Truly, we missed your presence. Despite the inclement weather the early part of the week, Friday and Saturday turned out well. Not having you in the mix or activities is a loss to the people who were there.

    Get better, and we'll hear from you soon!

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    Bob,

    Glad I got to talk to you for a bit before "the unpleasantness." Extra glad I got to see you on all twos as you were heading home. You looked better than you felt! Remember, wine can reduce your risk of kidney stones!

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    Bob: So sorry to hear about your kidney stone ordeal. I'm glad you passed it, with no further problems. It's nice to have so many friends to help out. My urologist suggests lemonade to help prevent them in the future. Also, lots of water is a good idea.

    I had an encounter with one in 2004. In my case it was right after a hurricane had blown through knocking down trees and power lines. While I was in the emergency room, it apparently passed through the ureter. Once it went through the ureter, it never hurt again. Just needed it to get past the urethra which can also be painful sometimes. The Urologist gave me a little plastic and screen device to try to catch it when it exited. He wanted to examine it (how weird is that?). After a few days of (pardon the expression) screening my pee, I didn't think it would ever happen. Then one day we went to Walmart and I felt the urge. I opted for the commode rather than the urinal. Of course, I didn't carry that screen kit with me, and that was the time the stone decided to make its debut. I felt a little flutter and that was it.

    So, there I was, looking at this tiny seed in this bowl of liquid. It was hard to believe it could cause such pain. What to do now? How do I get this critter out of the bowl? Well, apparently I made one false move and the automatic flusher solved my problem.

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    My condolences. I know how painful that is.

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    Bob,

    Sorry to hear something so painful struck at the most inoppotune time! In 1978, a friend of my grandfather's endured the pain of a kidney stone. And it must be as painful as you say: This guy was in WWII, and was a few hundred feet away from a bridge that got bombed somewhere in Europe. He told us, himself and the others in his Division got injured with flying debris from the bridge with several pieces of small shards of steel from it embedding in the one side of his body. He was days in the hosptial having it all removed. He thought that itself was painful enough, but he said that one kidney stone was worse when it came to pain!

    I definitely hope it's the LAST one you ever get!

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    Bob,
    So sorry to hear of your ordeal, but very glad you are now on the mend. My cousin has had several kidney stones and has relayed the experience to me in no short detail, and that is as close as I ever hope I come to experiencing it for myself.
    It was great meeting you after the Co-Operators Seminar. I look forward to your next columns in TW and HCC!
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    Bob, I don't know if I met you or not. I had the more-less unrestored 1917 Studebaker touring from OH (that is titled as 1918). I can, however, relate to stones. I have passed 729 of them since 1996. I have passed most without blasting, but have been blasted in water, blasted dry, even had them manually removed. I never actually saw the first one (it might only be 728). I started them two weeks before getting married the first time and averaged 1 per day about 1/8" diameter until about a month after the divorce. The largest was 5mm x 8mm without blasting. The pain is unbearable. But this part of the world is known as the kidney stone capital (around the great lakes). The world record holder who has passed thousands of them is from Hamilton Canada. I've seen specialists, been to dozens of hospitals, I tried changing my diet (when your passing one a day, its easy to tell what makes a difference. What I have come up with for the cause.....Stress. Other than that, dark carbonated beverages, nuts, tea, caffine. Most stones are calcium-oxylate so they focus on decreasing those, then they try increasing those, but the key is that Uric Acid causes the calcium and oxylate to combine. Instead of stress giving me an ulcer, it forms uric acid. Once you get one, you are likely to have more. I obviously can't tell you how not to get them, but to help them pass....pick something up fairly heavy using your back repeatidly, the rolling motion helps them move. Keep some pain pills handy, expecially to sneak in the hospital, because they won't give you any thing for pain after blasting until you pee all the shards of shattered stone. Take one before you attempt. If they put a stent in between your kidney and bladder, make them put you under before pulling it out, or you can have them tie a string to it....its uncomfortable, but two weeks after blasting instead of going up there with a scope and a clawed parts pick up tool, they can just pull the string. If you go to a hospital begging for something for pain and they ask what you want...its a trap...whatever you say you are now an addict until they get a urine sample to prove otherwise...but of course by then you are blocked...which by the way is the cause of the pain, not the stone itself. I know this was lengthy, but I hope it helps someone out there.
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    Almost forgot, the little things they give you for straining your pee....they work great for running paint through before putting it in a spray gun. Also try to get some sleep, and a heating pad helps a lot....so do heated seats in a car. They say to drink 64 ounces of water per day (that might be part of my problem). There have been many times I was actually praying that I would die or pass-out. I only passed out once from the pain....unfortunately it was while driving myself to the hospital in 1999....took out three telephone poles. woke up in the hospital with a ticket laying on my chest for failure to control. Luckily the judge has had kidney stones and he dropped all charges and fines.

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    The first doctor said to drink lots of beer. (beer actually causes stones. so does cranberry juice...but the cranberry juice helps with the urinary tract infection you will probably get). I asked why beer and he said "you get the most urine output for the input, plus the pain relieving and antiseptic qualities of the alcohol". I asked if he'd write me a prescription for that so I could take it to work, but he wouldn't.
    On the hopeful side. My most recent doctor put me on a blood pressure medicine hydrochlorothiazide that in small doses helps with kidney stones. At 25mg per day, I haven't passed a stone yet this year....a side benefit is it lowers your blood pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    As of 6 PM Sunday evening, I am no longer stoned. How the hell anything that small could cause so much pain is beyond me.

    Thanks for all the good wishes; 'feeling fine and back in the saddle.

    Thanks again to all who helped. BP
    Glad to hear you're in the pink. I've dealt with three of them in the past and it is a toss up between those and a gallbladder attack being the most painful things I've gone through. I will say when you pass a kidney stone it is the textbook definition of relief!

    I'm sure you'll get a pound of advice, but I've cut way back on colas and increased water and cranberry juice intake. So far, so good. Last bout with one was 2012, knock on wood.

    All the best
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    Just now getting around to reading all these posts, emails, etc. Bob, you,re correct on all as far as I know EXCEPT I didn't eat breakfast. I was busy trying to find out what hospital you were at, how you were, gathering all the items from the room, etc.

    Sure glad you passed the stone and are back on track now. You wouldn't believe the number of people that stopped by our booth asking about you. And John Kern was a life saver getting your trailer hooked up to your truck, loading the Tomato, loading parts on my truck, etc. He's a human dynamo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken Hawk View Post
    Just now getting around to reading all these posts, emails, etc. Bob, you're correct on all as far as I know EXCEPT I didn't eat breakfast. I was busy trying to find out what hospital you were at, how you were, gathering all the items from the room, etc.

    Sure glad you passed the stone and are back on track now. You wouldn't believe the number of people that stopped by our booth asking about you. And John Kern was a life saver getting your trailer hooked up to your truck, loading the Tomato, loading parts on my truck, etc. He's a human dynamo.

    Ted
    Sorry, Ted; I owe you a breakfast. I hope there's a Cracker Barrel near your house; Uncle Hershel's Favorite ought to fill you up. Sorry, I had no way of knowing where they'd take me and get back to you once in the ambulance. Thanks so much for gathering up everything in the room.

    I'll stop by Ditch Witch here in Brownsburg this morning, where John is a mechanic, and thank him personally for his help. You're right; he's a human dynamo.

    George and Ludene got here safely at 11:00 AM Wednesday to drop off the truck and empty trailer on their way back to Nebraska via friends in Iowa. They were on their way by 12:15 PM after lunch with us at Steak & Shake; the last day the coupons we had were valid!

    Everything is fine & dandy thanks to so many good friends like you guys. Thanks again many times over. BP
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    I just learned of your International trip. Forgot to tell you -- traveling with Ted seems to always turn into an adventure. Did you take some selfies to document the excursion? Ha. I'm glad you are mending and we all look forward to your next episode.

    To add to your collection of remedies, one of the guys that used to work for me was never without a supply of 7UP. My memory says that his doctor recommended it and he passed the stone shortly thereafter.

    Good luck and glad that you prevailed over the pain.

    P.S. "This too shall pass".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobPalma View Post
    Thanks for all the good wishes; 'feeling fine and back in the saddle.


    Glad to see you back in action!

    As promised, here is that swap meet photo I took on the Friday:



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    Quote Originally Posted by 8E45E View Post
    Glad to see you back in action!

    As promised, here is that swap meet photo I took on the Friday:



    Craig
    Wow, Craig; what a great photo. Thanks so much.

    The couple in the photo are Luke and Michelle Krooswyk (pronounced CRUISE-wick) of New Lenox IL. Luke is a younger Studebaker enthusiast and the fellow responsible for creating the wonderful information signs placed in front of each Studebaker at The Muscle Car & Corvette Nationals show each November in Rosemont IL, west of Chicago. Luke and Michelle also chip in to help detail and move the Studebakers around as part of the Ed George & Company Team Studebaker detail.

    Ironically, Luke and I had just been discussing the disposition of my personal Studebaker library upon my demise, in that I had been thinking about making such arrangements to insure that my personal correspondence and unique pieces of Studebaker literature didn't get buried with me and thus no longer available to the hobby (a fella has to consider such things, you know....). Luke and Michelle would be a perfect fit because Michelle does scanning and archiving for their local library.

    However, given the seemingly-precarious status of my health barely 12 hours after this photo was taken(!), I was beginning to wonder if those prior-day arrangements had been prescient! YIKES! BP
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    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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