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swedenole
09-25-2011, 05:15 PM
On 1962 Hawk, original ignition switch has a round bullet-shaped cylinder about 1" long and 1/4" in diameter bolted to the switch and pointed towards the back of the dash. There is a ground wire attached to the mounting bold. The replacement switch obtained from Studebaker INternational has no mention of this additional part or instructions regarding it. What is this additional part? Is it necessary?
Has anyone had any issues with the replacement ignition switch sold by SI? Thanks.

41 Frank
09-25-2011, 05:26 PM
You may be looking at the light for the ignition switch the way you describe it.

showbizkid
09-25-2011, 06:03 PM
Yep, that's the cylinder lamp. The bulb pushes into the cylinder from the rear and the little hole in the "bullet" end shines onto the plastic ignition bezel to make it light up.

swedenole
09-26-2011, 09:46 AM
Wow, thanks, guys, I'll re-check, and have to make some other provision to mount it to the switch as none is provided on the replacement. Didn't look like a light to me but I'll take your word for it. Thanks again for the quick response.

brian6373
09-26-2011, 12:52 PM
The bullet has a "pinch" clip that fits into slots on the original switch housing. The black wire is in the dash lighting circuit. ( EDIT) O.K. I got out a switch I had from a 63 Lark and I stand corrected. The housing portion has a little bracket that is attatched to the switch housing by a screw that also had a ground wire on it. The end of the "bullet" that has the wire is the bulb holder. If you look close you will see that there is a raised rib around the base. I sprayed some electrcal contact cleaner into the hole in the end and let it soak a bit, then carefully worked the pressed in holder out of the housing. DO NOT PULL ON THE WIRE!! It should slide out to expose the bulb for replacement. I don't know about the replcement switch that S.I sells, but is there a corresponding place on the new switch that you might be able to drill and tap a hole for the light atatchment?

swedenole
09-28-2011, 04:55 PM
I replaced the switch, still wouldn't start. Double-checked all the wiring per the manual, OK. If I hot-wire the solenoid it will start and run fine. I can shut if off and re-start from the switch, again OK. But if it sits a while it won't start unless I hot-wire it again. What could this be?

Also, how do you replace the light on the ignition switch? How do you access the bulb?

Thanks for the help!

StudeRich
09-28-2011, 05:46 PM
Doesn't it have a bracket held on with a small screw?

The starting issue may be loose Battery Cables, heating up and expanding or bubbling up moisture between the post and cable. Also clean the inside of the cable clamp and the Batt. post. To test for that, you turn on the headlights when it will not start, and you should find them not working.

swedenole
09-28-2011, 08:40 PM
Thanks for the tip, it may be the battery cable. Someone has disconnected the pink ignition wire, but a substitute wire runs to the coil, I haven't traced down the pink one all the way, though.

Still don't know how to replace the bulb for the ignition switch light. It does screw into the side of the ignition switch, and a red (ground?) wire attaches at its base by the mounting screw.

JDP
09-28-2011, 09:01 PM
I assume you have a stick shift, if it's a AT it's likely the neutral start switch or the wire to the solenoid or the neutral start and not the ignition.

bezhawk
09-28-2011, 09:24 PM
Also check the terminals on the ammeter...all the current goes through it first. (be careful, and disconnect the battery first)

showbizkid
09-28-2011, 09:26 PM
Uh, that pink wire is usually the resistance wire that provides power to the coil when the key is in "run" position. If that's disconnected, the car will fire, but die as soon as you let the key out of the "start" position.

brian6373
10-01-2011, 10:32 AM
Check the voltage from your battery to the body. I found the ground on my 63 Lark was cutting the voltage down to 8.5 volts. The relay may not be getting enough power through the switch and a poor ground to energize the relay coil. When you jump it, you eliminate all the resistance in the positive side of the wiring. Brian

swedenole
10-14-2011, 05:42 PM
After replacing the ignition switch (which is much harder to install than the original twist-on one), I noticed that the wire going from the switch to the solenoid had broken insulation and some of the strands were frayed. I cut it off and installed a new loop-type lug, and haven't had a problem since! Thanks for all the tips, though!

GinettaG12P
04-21-2015, 04:42 PM
After replacing the ignition switch (which is much harder to install than the original twist-on one), I noticed that the wire going from the switch to the solenoid had broken insulation and some of the strands were frayed. I cut it off and installed a new loop-type lug, and haven't had a problem since! Thanks for all the tips, though!

How did you get an Allen wrench on the replacement ignition switch setscrew to clock and lock the switch to the bezel?

StudeRich
04-22-2015, 01:29 AM
Tom did you maybe fail to notice that this is from 2011, I don't think he is here any more for whatever reason. Last Post 10/03/2012 :(

Anyway your post lacks enough detail to figure out why you asked. Is it something he did that would make it impossible to insert the Allen Wrench maybe?

Or maybe just the design of those cheapie Switches that caused you a problem.
The Newer, pricier versions are Dups of the Original with the stock twist on Bezel and not the old screw-on Chrysler one you have. It's a bugger to install but possible. Just not as good as the original design.

GinettaG12P
04-22-2015, 11:34 AM
Thanks for the reply. I did notice that the original post was quite old, but was on the right topic. I never did find a way to get an Allen Wrench into the set screw. Instead, I made a bracket that attaches to the dash to keep the ignition switch from turning. The replacement switch came with the car, so I thought I would use it. The original ignition switch was also included with the car and consisted of the bezel with broken tangs, the pot metal housing, and two separate plastic and metal components - not very useful. After installing the aftermarket ignition switch, I noticed that the center post - the one that energizes the starter relay - is loose. I hope that this is not a defect. I'm not at the point of starting the engine, so I will just do a continuity check on the "start" terminal.

StudeRich
04-22-2015, 12:05 PM
The Original Switch had a Translucent White Plastic Ring that Lights up through the small hole in the Bezel from the Light that attaches to the Switch, as in the other post yesterday. Of course it gets a Spring to keep it tight.

The Fix for the poor quality Pot metal Bezel, is the New Aluminum one, pretty much a "Forever" piece. :)
After you are done "Experimenting" with starting the Car, you can always do it right later with better Parts.