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studelover
02-28-2007, 07:21 PM
I noticed that my road draft tube is in fine shape normally they are rusted out on cars of diffrent makes, It looks like it's stainless steel however is it ever painted? All the other little shields from the starter spacer and the little shield in back of the road draft tube are galvanized steel, are these parts painted?

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DEEPNHOCK
03-01-2007, 07:01 AM
OE was just steel.
An option was the chrome dress up kit.
Never saw a stainless steel one.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by studelover

I noticed that my road draft tube is in fine shape normally they are rusted out on cars of diffrent makes, It looks like it's stainless steel however is it ever painted? All the other little shields from the starter spacer and the little shield in back of the road draft tube are galvanized steel, are these parts painted?

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JDP
03-01-2007, 09:16 AM
The dress up kit was just valve covers with caps and dip stick, nothing to do with the draft tube..

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DEEPNHOCK
03-01-2007, 11:26 AM
Hmmm..
I bought (years ago) from a Stude guy a dress up kit that also had a chrome valley cover and road draft tube....But it did not come in a box, so I guess it must have been done 'outside' the AC system..
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by JDP

The dress up kit was just valve covers with caps and dip stick, nothing to do with the draft tube..

JDP
03-01-2007, 01:39 PM
Well, sorta. The early Avanti engines had a chrome valley cover, but did not accept a draft tube of any kind.

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sntsftbll
03-01-2007, 02:00 PM
I hate to ask but I am not sure what a road draft tube is. I know everyone is probably rolling their eyes to know there is someone so dumb out there. If it weren't for people like me how would you know your so smart? So thank me don't laugh at me:)

Skip Lackie
03-01-2007, 04:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by sntsftbll

I hate to ask but I am not sure what a road draft tube is. I know everyone is probably rolling their eyes to know there is someone so dumb out there. If it weren't for people like me how would you know your so smart? So thank me don't laugh at me:)


Just a tube that allowed vapors from the crankcase to be vented to the atmosphere. These vapors are mostly unburned hydrocarbons, so beginning in the mid-1960s, all cars had to be equipped with positive crankcase ventilation valves, which draw these vapors into the carb and burn them. PCV valves were required in Calif around 1961, and elsewhere in 1963 -- so some Studes are so equipped. Road draft tubes usually hang down from the back of the engine, and have some steel wool-like filter material in them.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

DEEPNHOCK
03-01-2007, 05:48 PM
It is a tube that allows crankcase fumes to be allowed a place to escape without getting oil mist or droplets on a visible part of the engine. The angled cut on the bottom makes for a low pressure area when the vehicle is moving, so the 'road draft' helps to pull the crankcase fumes out. After 1963 or 1964 all vehicles were mandated to have PCV (positive crankcase ventilation) valves put in that took those same fumes and bled them back into the intake manifold where the cumbustion process burned the fumes up, thus polluting less (sort of)..
Here's a pic of the road draft tube on a Stude V8 engine...
Jeff[8D]
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/Jeff%20Rice%20Studebaker%20Pictures/EngineSwapDayTwo17.jpg



quote:Originally posted by sntsftbll

I hate to ask but I am not sure what a road draft tube is. I know everyone is probably rolling their eyes to know there is someone so dumb out there. If it weren't for people like me how would you know your so smart? So thank me don't laugh at me:)


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sntsftbll
03-01-2007, 10:06 PM
Oh, okay I did know what it was. I just didn't know I knew. Never called it by that name, probably never called it by any name but I knew what it was. Thanks for not lauhghing at my stupidity:)

MagikDraggin
03-02-2007, 12:42 AM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

[navy][b]It is a tube that allows crankcase fumes to be allowed a place to escape without getting oil mist or droplets on a visible part of the engine. The angled cut on the bottom makes for a low pressure area when the vehicle is moving, so the 'road draft' helps to pull the crankcase fumes out. After 1963 or 1964 all vehicles were mandated to have PCV (positive crankcase ventilation) valves put in that took those same fumes and bled them back into the intake manifold where the cumbustion process burned the fumes up, thus polluting less (sort of)..


Ok, so if I want to eliminate the road-draft-tube, what do I need? Simply have an aircleaner with a 3/8" stub-fitting attached and run a line from where the road-draft-tube exits the block up to the air cleaner?

Or is there more to it than that?

Karl

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1962 GT Hawk 4sp

showbizkid
03-02-2007, 07:41 AM
What you would need is a '63 PCV adapter to mount in place of the draft tube, p/n 1557726. Here's a pic of what it looks like:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/Engine%20comes%20home/DSCN0616.jpg

It mounts where the draft tube used to, but instead has a right-angle nipple for the line back to the carb. The PCV valve is inline in the hose assembly that goes from the adapter to the carb.

A check of the SASCO website shows 'em in stock for around $20.


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DEEPNHOCK
03-02-2007, 08:33 AM
Also...
If you are running an AFB 4bbl carb, run the pcv line to the base of the carb rather than the fitting on the intake runner. There is a possibility of having that runner leg run a bit leaner due to the pcv leaking in crankcase fumes. Running the line to the base of the carb makes it even to all cylinders.
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

What you would need is a '63 PCV adapter to mount in place of the draft tube, p/n 1557726. Here's a pic of what it looks like:
It mounts where the draft tube used to, but instead has a right-angle nipple for the line back to the carb. The PCV valve is inline in the hose assembly that goes from the adapter to the carb.
A check of the SASCO website shows 'em in stock for around $20.

rockne10
03-02-2007, 10:20 PM
Okay so, I'm managing this fleet of 23 trucks and, last month, one of the drivers tells me his is blowing oil out the dipstick and he thinks there's a problem with the road draft tube. I'm the first to admit I know less than a mechanic but I proceed to let him know draft tubes haven't been used since the early sixties so there certainly isn't one on a 2006 Mercedes MBE900.

Well, shut my mouth! Not only is there one, Daimler has already redesigned it because it's too long. Engine heat has dissipated before it reaches the end of the tube and internal engine humidity turns to frost and plugs the end of the tube. Crankcase pressure blows out the dipstick. Talk about a mess!

What's old is new. Will I live to see the day when injection is replaced by gravity fed carburization?

DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2007, 12:20 PM
LOL... Probably do the same thing down here in the deep south, but it would be mud daubers;).. They seem to like any kind of tube to crawl into and stop up.
(Last summer my a/c unit filled up with water inside and was sloshing and dripping cold water on the wife's shin's and shoes.. After looking and looking, I found the condensate drain line plugged with dauber mud. Unclogged it and got a face full of water shooting out of the tube.. Though about Legionaire's Disease and went and washed my face right away..[:0])
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by rockne10

Okay so, I'm managing this fleet of 23 trucks and, last month, one of the drivers tells me his is blowing oil out the dipstick and he thinks there's a problem with the road draft tube. I'm the first to admit I know less than a mechanic but I proceed to let him know draft tubes haven't been used since the early sixties so there certainly isn't one on a 2006 Mercedes MBE900.

Well, shut my mouth! Not only is there one, Daimler has already redesigned it because it's too long. Engine heat has dissipated before it reaches the end of the tube and internal engine humidity turns to frost and plugs the end of the tube. Crankcase pressure blows out the dipstick. Talk about a mess!

What's old is new. Will I live to see the day when injection is replaced by gravity fed carburization?

S2DSteve
03-03-2007, 12:59 PM
OK, while we're on the subject. Is it better for the engine to run a road draft tube or PCV? 'Just wondering what the consenses opinion might be.
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John Kirchhoff
03-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Jeff, I like the color of your engine. Did Stude ever have any that color?

StudeRich
03-03-2007, 04:12 PM
The PCV system is especially good for colder high moisture areas, as the condensation is drawn out of the engine instead of left inside the crankcase to RUST and contaminate the oil!

But you would never have to worry about that in OREGON, Ha, Ha ! :D

John: I believe Jeff's engine is painted close to the '56-'57 Stude. Turquoise Green. On my monitor it looks closer to the old 60's Pontiac Blue however. Maybe when he returns from some swapmeet they're having in someplace called York, PA, he'll tell us!! :D All the Stude. people in the Eastern Half of the U.S. ARE there...Right?

StudeRich
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Ferndale, WA

MagikDraggin
03-03-2007, 04:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

What you would need is a '63 PCV adapter to mount in place of the draft tube, p/n 1557726. Here's a pic of what it looks like:

A check of the SASCO website shows 'em in stock for around $20.


Ok, I give.....lead me to where you found that on the SASCO website.
Thanks in advance,

Karl

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1962 GT Hawk 4sp

N8N
03-03-2007, 05:24 PM
If Jeff was there I missed him :( (and he's a difficult guy to miss, with his thing for driving yellow vehicles...)

Karl, go to studeparts.com and click on "shop online catalog" then you can put in the part number you want and see if it's in stock. (best to call anyway though - even if they don't have it listed they might have something, or sometimes also they sell out of stuff that's listed online.) You'll need the part numbers, so if you plan on doing this a while you might want to invest in some parts books if you haven't already. Don't worry, they aren't ludicrously expensive, and SASCO and other vendors have reprints in stock.

nate



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DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2007, 05:49 PM
That's Rick Courtier's engine and it is painted '56 Studebaker Blue (which I believe is sold today as a Pontiac blue of some kind). It's correct for his year of truck...
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by John Kirchhoff

Jeff, I like the color of your engine. Did Stude ever have any that color?

DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2007, 05:50 PM
A properly set up PCV system will keep the outside of the engine a LOT cleaner. No oil vapor, spots, or drips... (Like that's possible with a Studebaker engine[:0])
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by S2DSteve

OK, while we're on the subject. Is it better for the engine to run a road draft tube or PCV? 'Just wondering what the consenses opinion might be.

MagikDraggin
03-03-2007, 05:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N


Karl, go to studeparts.com and click on "shop online catalog" then you can put in the part number you want and see if it's in stock. (best to call anyway though - even if they don't have it listed they might have something, or sometimes also they sell out of stuff that's listed online.)
Yep, I did that and it came up with a blank. I guess I will have to call them.



quote:You'll need the part numbers, so if you plan on doing this a while you might want to invest in some parts books if you haven't already. Don't worry, they aren't ludicrously expensive, and SASCO and other vendors have reprints in stock.

nate
Yep, already done that too, heh, heh. Just haven't receieved them yet.

I am definitely planning on hanging onto this Hawk for awhile. If it don't break me first.....I started it up this morning and heard what sounded like an exhaust leak underneath....took a look and the entire pass/side is riddled with holes...couple leaks in the drivers side as well.

Oh well, at least when I get around to fixing it, I know at least that part won't be costing me any time soon.:)

Karl



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DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2007, 05:52 PM
No York for me this year[V]
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by N8N

If Jeff was there I missed him :( (and he's a difficult guy to miss, with his thing for driving yellow vehicles...)

N8N
03-03-2007, 06:00 PM
Karl,

if you hate fixing stuff twice, I highly recommend checking out the stainless exhausts from Don Simmons (Silvertone) yes you have to have them shipped from Canada, but he does a real nice job. You can truly install the pipes yourself and expect a good job, no heating/bending/modifying etc.

nate

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MagikDraggin
03-03-2007, 06:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

That's weird; if I go to SASCO and punch in the part number, it comes up clear as day: p/n 1557726, Adapter, $21.60.



Hah! You're right! I went and tried again and it came right up. Maybe I typed in the wrong number first time.

Thanks,

Karl

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1962 GT Hawk 4sp

showbizkid
03-03-2007, 06:58 PM
That's weird; if I go to SASCO and punch in the part number, it comes up clear as day: p/n 1557726, Adapter, $21.60.


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MagikDraggin
03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

That's weird;


I'll tell ya what's weird. When I respond to a post, my response shows up BEFORE the post I am responding to. What's with that?

Karl

rockne10
03-03-2007, 10:46 PM
It's happening more and more. At first it was kind of cute but it's starting to become a vexation. I wonder if there's a server problem.
And, more on topic, we cleaned the paint off a draft tube from a '61 259 and it sure appears to be stainless.[:0]

showbizkid
03-03-2007, 11:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by MagikDraggin
I'll tell ya what's weird. When I respond to a post, my response shows up BEFORE the post I am responding to. What's with that?


That's easy Karl - Studebakers let you go back in time! [:o)][8)];)


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bondobilly
03-06-2007, 09:18 PM
quote:.....I started it up this morning and heard what sounded like an exhaust leak underneath....took a look and the entire pass/side is riddled with holes...couple leaks in the drivers side as well.

Oh well, at least when I get around to fixing it, I know at least [i]that part won't be costing me any time soon.:)

Karl



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bondobilly
03-06-2007, 09:23 PM
I was talking with David Shrock at York and we were talking about water in exhaust systems. He was laughing that many of the 50's engines would still drip water even after a 30 min run. If you do have an exhaust leak get a stainless steel set of pipes. Also check to see if your heat riser still is operable.

Jeff...... can you convert a 352 to use a PCV successfully? :)

BG

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