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41 Frank
02-26-2017, 08:48 PM
I have heard a lot of erroneous Studebaker lore the last few decades but............today some of us local Studebaker guys were participating at a car show when a spectator walked up and proceeded to tell us with a straight face that when Studebaker closed up in 1966 25 former employees bought up all the parts and equipment and had them shipped back to South Bend from Canada. "They have been building Studebakers made to order ever since" he related and that I could purchase one if desired. I thanked him for this enlightening information as he walked away. I asked the Chapter member seated next to me if he knew which building they could be using to perform this manufacturing since he is from South Bend and he said he did not have a clue. I sure would like to have a tour of that facility at the IM in May. No I have not been drinking today!

52-fan
02-26-2017, 09:08 PM
Reminds me of the fellow Joe and I talked to in Decatur, Texas on Friday. He told us about his friends Hawk station wagon drag car with a factory dual turbocharged engine that would blow the back window out at around 120 miles per hour. As soon as a customer walked up we quietly walked away. ;)

RadioRoy
02-26-2017, 09:40 PM
They didn't make many Hawk station wagons with turbochargers.

Lou Van Anne
02-26-2017, 10:03 PM
When you find out, I'm ready to place my order....

8E45E
02-27-2017, 06:24 AM
I have heard a lot of erroneous Studebaker lore the last few decades but............today some of us local Studebaker guys were participating at a car show when a spectator walked up and proceeded to tell us with a straight face that when Studebaker closed up in 1966 25 former employees bought up all the parts and equipment and had them shipped back to South Bend from Canada. "They have been building Studebakers made to order ever since" he related and that I could purchase one if desired. I thanked him for this enlightening information as he walked away. I asked the Chapter member seated next to me if he knew which building they could be using to perform this manufacturing since he is from South Bend and he said he did not have a clue. I sure would like to have a tour of that facility at the IM in May. No I have not been drinking today!

He's definitely confusing Nate Altman & Leo Newman buying a couple of ex-Studebaker buildings, and the parts and continuing Avanti production, with cars 'made to order'.

N&A did hire some former employees, but someone forgot to tell him Studebaker Corporation was no longer involved with Avanti II production, and there hasn't been a new Avanti since 2007.

Craig

Stu Chapman
02-27-2017, 08:02 AM
He's definitely confusing Nate Altman & Leo Newman buying a couple of ex-Studebaker buildings, and the parts and continuing Avanti production, with cars 'made to order'.

N&A did hire some former employees, but someone forgot to tell him Studebaker Corporation was no longer involved with Avanti II production, and there hasn't been a new Avanti since 2007.

Craig

Sometimes it's kind pf nice to wake up on a Monday morning and find you've been living in a fantasy world.

Stu Chapman

8E45E
02-27-2017, 08:10 AM
Sometimes it's kind of nice to wake up on a Monday morning and find you've been living in a fantasy world.

I guess we can be thankful N&A had the foresight to buy and accept responsibility of all the parts stock in South Bend, some of which still exists after 50 years.

AMC fans were not so fortunate in 1987 when Chrysler destroyed theirs!!

Craig

Skip Lackie
02-27-2017, 08:24 AM
He's definitely confusing Nate Altman & Leo Newman buying a couple of ex-Studebaker buildings, and the parts and continuing Avanti production, with cars 'made to order'.

N&A did hire some former employees, but someone forgot to tell him Studebaker Corporation was no longer involved with Avanti II production, and there hasn't been a new Avanti since 2007.

Craig

Right. There's usually a (distorted) grain of truth buried in these legends somewhere. By the time the story gets to you, it's passed through too many knuckleheads to resemble the facts any more.

8E45E
02-27-2017, 08:31 AM
That was the issue I had with a museum curator/guide at the Lemay Family Museum in Marymount, Washington. He was wrong a couple of times describing certain vehicles, like claiming the AMC Gremlin was "derived from the Hornet Sportabout wagon" (not true; the Gremlin was introduced almost six months earlier.), and the 1957-'59 Skyliner was 'Ford's only retractable hardtop'. (again, not true, in Europe, Ford offered an Escort with a retractable steel roof.) I did tactfully correct him when the tour was over.

Craig

TWChamp
02-27-2017, 08:42 AM
One of the funniest stories I overheard was in the late 70's when I was at a threshing show. Two older guys, who should have grown up with hit and miss engines, and should have known how they operate, were watching a large stationary engine running. One guy tells the other that it has to start on gasoline, then once it gets up to speed it just keeps running on compressed air.

52-fan
02-27-2017, 11:26 AM
They didn't make many Hawk station wagons with turbochargers.

I suppose he meant a Lark wagon with a Paxton supercharger, but several of his other facts were off too. At one point he said the back window blew out of an Avanti. He was cordial and older than us by a bit so we could cut him some slack. He did have a very nice dual carb intake for a Commander six on his table which is why we stopped and got to talking.

paintim613
02-27-2017, 11:27 AM
I have been asked several times if our '63 Avanti was made in Canada.

8E45E
02-27-2017, 01:09 PM
I suppose he meant a Lark wagon with a Paxton supercharger, but several of his other facts were off too. At one point he said the back window blew out of an Avanti. He was cordial and older than us by a bit so we could cut him some slack. He did have a very nice dual carb intake for a Commander six on his table which is why we stopped and got to talking.

Admittedly, that was a known problem to Studebaker: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?54083-The-Lamberti-papers-14

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?54811-The-Lamberti-papers-21

Craig

57studesilverhawk
02-27-2017, 03:54 PM
Reminds me of the fellow Joe and I talked to in Decatur, Texas on Friday. He told us about his friends Hawk station wagon drag car with a factory dual turbocharged engine that would blow the back window out at around 120 miles per hour. As soon as a customer walked up we quietly walked away. ;)

I had a 6 cly. 4dr. I had the same problem, however not from tooooo much power, just that the window was not installed correctly, and the window blew out as soon as I opened the drivers window doing 50 M.P.H.

Firebird61
02-27-2017, 04:16 PM
But.....1957 Chevy's were produce until 1967. It's on the Internet, so it just has to be true! http://www.snopes.com/autos/dream/57chevy.asp

8E45E
02-27-2017, 04:48 PM
I had a 6 cly. 4dr. I had the same problem, however not from tooooo much power, just that the window was not installed correctly, and the window blew out as soon as I opened the drivers window doing 50 M.P.H.

Mine didn't!! It dropped down out of sight into the door!

Craig

lelshaddai
02-27-2017, 05:06 PM
I have a gentlemen in AZ who has a story of the Avanti. He was working at BF Goodrich in 66 when 5 ex Studebaker employees came to work there. They were the group that bought all the parts. They wanted my friend, who is an engineer to design the rubber parts for the curved glass(since I guess it did not exist). He states he did. He also states he designed a wick at the bottom of the headlights to absorb moisture so the headlights would not fog up.
Jim

swvalcon
02-27-2017, 06:39 PM
I wonder if they are putting Ford 289's in those made to order 2017 Studebakers. Although with turbochargers my guess would be left over Buick 3.8 Grand National motors.

karterfred88
02-27-2017, 07:05 PM
My guess is someone confused an early pre-production ECOBOOST twin turbo Ford 289 with the original Cadillac designed Studebaker V8. The friend who re-designed the Avanti rear glass retainer sure was slow, I guess he didn't notice the change happened in late 1963. Hope he didn't apply for a patent, Studebaker might have grounds for patent infringement. After all, the Canadian Avanti Motor Company (CAMCO), a subsidiary of Packard-Studebaker-STP is still in business, operating out of Cancun, Mexico. Didn't you know that.

StudeRich
02-27-2017, 07:46 PM
Well hey Frank, if you heard it at a Car Show it must be almost as true as on the Internet! :D

41 Frank
02-28-2017, 10:36 AM
Well hey Frank, if you heard it at a Car Show it must be almost as true as on the Internet! :D

Maybe the internet is indeed where he got that bit of wisdom. He did also tell me that they are refurbishing Deloreans and someone is now building new ones again. This apparently is true. I do agree this spectator had the Avanti and Studebaker story mixed up as Craig said in post #5.

52hawk
02-28-2017, 11:20 AM
One of the funniest stories I overheard was in the late 70's when I was at a threshing show. Two older guys, who should have grown up with hit and miss engines, and should have known how they operate, were watching a large stationary engine running. One guy tells the other that it has to start on gasoline, then once it gets up to speed it just keeps running on compressed air.
That was one heck of a trick carburetor,the oil companies sued so it could never be introduced to the public!

57studesilverhawk
02-28-2017, 04:56 PM
Mine didn't!! It dropped down out of sight into the door!

Craig

Well the back window would have had a had time going inside, my rear window landed on the highway and only the chrome servived and the rubber that went around the window. The next instalation was fine.

8E45E
02-28-2017, 05:14 PM
Well the back window would have had a had time going inside, my rear window landed on the highway and only the chrome servived and the rubber that went around the window. The next instalation was fine.

Okay, mine was the front, passenger side window. When I reached over to close it, about halfway up, it 'disappeared'!

Craig