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Swifster
02-21-2017, 03:49 PM
OK, I know they never existed. This should be a little fun exercise. If it was available, what would be on the car?

I'll start with the easy stuff... For the engine, I'd go with the 289 supercharged engine from the '58 Golden Hawk. For the transmission, I'd go with the Borg Warner T-10. What? Studebaker didn't have these in '59? Borg Warner did. This was an available trans in the Corvette from 1957 until GM developed their own.

OK, so tell me what you'd add to this car but try to keep it to what was available to '59.

StudeRich
02-21-2017, 04:10 PM
It would come only in 2 Door Hardtop form, only with a Supercharged "259", to not "Outdo the GH using the '58 GH only, long tail T-85 H.D. Overdrive, Standard would be a 4.09 TT Rear Axle, split reclining Bench Seats, a Taxi Floor Shift and they would have came up with SOME kind of Traction Bars for these.

They would have '58 GH Gold "Golden" Nameplates, and a special Gold "Lark" Nameplate!

And OH, for the first 3 or 4 Months at least, they would only come in Metallic Gold with a Ermine White Roof! :!:

Swifster
02-21-2017, 05:13 PM
Rich, you'd still go with a three speed instead of an available 4-speed?

StudeRich
02-21-2017, 05:43 PM
Yes, in spite of the COOL factor of the "Four on the Floor", Jack V. even Ed, SN-60 and I are on the same page about the T-85 Overdrive with the H.D. R-11 O.D. being just as strong as the T-10, and absolutely THE BEST of the crop for all-around use! :!:

And then since Corvette was THE ONLY buyer of these, not even Chevrolet, GM may have had an "exclusive" buy on these.
It took Ford, Studebaker and maybe Chrysler until 1962 to get one that fits their proprietary Clutch Housing!

T.J. lavallee
02-21-2017, 06:15 PM
The stock silver metallic door card trim used on the Regal hardtop in 59' would have to be gold as well. Maybe a gold background on the horn button to remind the driver he's driving the "Gold" edition. Man, I think Stude Rich's running gear would be nothing short of killer. I want one!

StudeRich
02-21-2017, 06:31 PM
This is ALMOST there! :!!:

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Warren Webb
02-21-2017, 06:44 PM
Top it off with leather interior & power windows too. Would that make it a Golden Lark 400?

Milaca
02-21-2017, 07:25 PM
Being 1959, it would need some short fiberglass tailfins and a small hood scoop in the hood. It would also be offered as a convertible the following year.

8E45E
02-21-2017, 08:03 PM
It would need some of the options that was reserved for 'fleet' cars, including direct-reading oil and ammeter gauges, heavy duty springs, shocks, brakes, radiator, fan shroud, etc.

Craig

qsanford
02-21-2017, 08:19 PM
Was Hi-Way Hi-Fi available in 1959?

nels
02-21-2017, 10:37 PM
This is ALMOST there! :!!:

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That looks my old car. Who owns it now?

StudeRich
02-22-2017, 01:44 AM
Nels, I have no idea, I think it sold on eBay or Craigslist.

PackardV8
02-22-2017, 09:59 AM
But improve on the '58 GH engine's 275 horsepower by using the available 4-bbl carburetor and 8.5 compression.

jack vines

candbstudebakers
02-22-2017, 10:00 AM
don't forget rear way bar and duel exhaust. might even want a tach.

R3 challenger
02-22-2017, 10:13 AM
This idea is essentially what I was thinking of when I built my '60 Lark Deluxe 2-door sedan with a modified 304 supercharged engine. See the July 2016 issue of TW, page 33. It has overdrive, 4.27 TT rear axle, HD springs & shocks, Avanti 5" wheels, finned drums, and not much else in the way of options. The goal was to create something that Studebaker could have easily done in 1959-1960 with available parts (OK, I made a few exceptions on the engine with R3 valves, modified R3 exhaust manifolds, etc.).

Since only 878 1958 Golden Hawks were made, it's likely that Studebaker would have had some '58 Golden Hawk engines in stock at the end of the '58 model year. Making an early (1959-1960) Super Lark would have been relatively easy. Even the rear stabilizer bars were in stock, having been used on earlier models. Finned brake drums could have been part of the package (non-package Jet Thrust cars had the finned drums in '63 / '64), and dual exhausts were a regular option in '59 / '60. HD police option parts were also available.

In 1959, Studebaker had just about everything they needed to make an early Super Lark. 'Wish they would have done it, but of course, for a small company that was dealing in red ink, it would have been one more thing to deal with during difficult times.

George



OK, I know they never existed. This should be a little fun exercise. If it was available, what would be on the car?

I'll start with the easy stuff... For the engine, I'd go with the 289 supercharged engine from the '58 Golden Hawk. For the transmission, I'd go with the Borg Warner T-10. What? Studebaker didn't have these in '59? Borg Warner did. This was an available trans in the Corvette from 1957 until GM developed their own.

OK, so tell me what you'd add to this car but try to keep it to what was available to '59.

PackardV8
02-22-2017, 11:33 AM
This idea is essentially what I was thinking of when I built my '60 Lark Deluxe 2-door sedan . . . . The goal was to create something that Studebaker could have easily done in 1959-1960 with available parts.

George, long-time Stude guys are masters of the "what-if?" I did a similar project with my '55 E12. Studebaker-Packard had the 352" Caribbean V8, T89 truck overdrive, Dana 60 TwinTraction, AC, PS, all on the shelves. I just built what I'd have like to have been able to special-order.


(OK, I made a few exceptions . . . ) (And yes, I also did cheat with the aftermarket cruise control and electronic ignition, modern rotary AC compressor instead of the antique Lehigh; but long-time Stude guys are also great at rationalization. ;>)

jack vines

R3 challenger
02-22-2017, 03:53 PM
'Sounds real nice, Jack; good idea.

George

Buzzard
02-24-2017, 09:52 AM
I can attest to having seen Jack's E12 in the flesh and it is a work of art and functionality. Lets see if we can get Jack to post a pic of that wonderful engine compartment and air cleaner assembly.
Bill

Grutner
03-04-2018, 07:02 PM
I actually owned a 1961 studebaker Golden Lark. Had twin traction and an automatic transmission. Only way to get it to pull off the line in low was to put it in low. 0 to 60 in under six seconds. Had a lot of fun humiliating everything on the road. Except maybe a couple of 57 chevys with blowers. Broke a lot of right rear leaf springs. Had to give up stoplight drag racing when the Moter mount broke. Could not get one from my the dealer and there were no other golden larks in the junk yards. Paid $100 for it in 1967 and drove it till 1971. Sold it for $18 to a friend who drove it till 1974. Had a lock up torque converter so it got 24 mpg on trips. Air cleaner looked similar to Packard not the 56 golden Hawk

StudeRich
03-04-2018, 07:54 PM
Grutner, you sure this was not some kind of HAWK? Either that or, it's a Joke OR you are ON some pretty good "Stuff"! :D

I am pretty sure it did not look like this '61 Lark: 70794

studegary
03-04-2018, 09:13 PM
I actually owned a 1961 studebaker Golden Lark. Had twin traction and an automatic transmission. Only way to get it to pull off the line in low was to put it in low. 0 to 60 in under six seconds. Had a lot of fun humiliating everything on the road. Except maybe a couple of 57 chevys with blowers. Broke a lot of right rear leaf springs. Had to give up stoplight drag racing when the Moter mount broke. Could not get one from my the dealer and there were no other golden larks in the junk yards. Paid $100 for it in 1967 and drove it till 1971. Sold it for $18 to a friend who drove it till 1974. Had a lock up torque converter so it got 24 mpg on trips. Air cleaner looked similar to Packard not the 56 golden Hawk

That is some fiction story for a first post on the SDC Forum.

Lou Van Anne
03-04-2018, 09:28 PM
Somebody needs to photo shop '58 fins on '59 Lark.....wouldn't that be a "Golden Lark"?

Noxnabaker
03-05-2018, 05:10 AM
I'm with Milaca & Lou; it would need a -58 Commander/President rear part of the body, but shortened a wee bit & ofcourse a hoodscope
:)
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PackardV8
03-05-2018, 12:08 PM
I'm with Milaca & Lou; it would need a -58 Commander/President rear part of the body, but shortened a wee bit & ofcourse a hoodscope
:)
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Then, why not go with the '58 hardtop center section as well?

https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/1958-studebaker-president-commander-starlight-1.jpg
jack vines

Mike Sal
03-05-2018, 12:23 PM
I remember seeing a early lark that someone had added extra trim to.....an extra left side rear quarter chrome onto the right side and same on the other side. it created an outlined "inset" similar to a '57 sedan and they painted it a contrasting color. It looked really sharp. I haven't seen that car in years now...don't know who owned it.
Mike Sal

Lou Van Anne
03-05-2018, 12:37 PM
Then, why not go with the '58 hardtop center section as well?

https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/1958-studebaker-president-commander-starlight-1.jpg
jack vines
....and the front clip could be used also....just shorten it up a wee bit.

Noxnabaker
03-05-2018, 03:03 PM
Mr. Vines & Lou; cuz it wouldn't been as much uva Lark then! ;)

StudeRich
03-05-2018, 04:45 PM
I remember seeing a early lark that someone had added extra trim to.....an extra left side rear quarter chrome onto the right side and same on the other side. it created an outlined "inset" similar to a '57 sedan and they painted it a contrasting color. It looked really sharp. I haven't seen that car in years now...don't know who owned it.
Mike Sal

I think the Aussie's have the Patent on that one! :D

A '59 Lark rear Quarter Moulding from the Right upside down and above the Left one and vice versa creates a '57-'58 Golden Hawk or '57 President look, full Bullet that works OK with a solid Color car and even more impressive with a Two Tone.

Dad sold a '59 Lark Regal 4 Door in Tahiti Coral, that the owner did that to, looked pretty good. :)

I can't find a Pic of that Custom Lark, but here is the "Look" on a President:
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62champ
03-05-2018, 05:49 PM
I can't find a Pic of that Custom Lark, but here is the "Look" on a President:
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This might be it:

http://studebaker.bigpondhosting.com/resources/1961%20LARK%20CRUISER.JPG

Lou Van Anne
03-05-2018, 05:50 PM
....and the front clip could be used also....just shorten it up a wee bit.

On second thought.....I really don't want to see that!

Noxnabaker
03-05-2018, 06:00 PM
I reckon I was a bit wrong, StudeRich got it right; -57 President's tail ofcourse!
:)

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TWChamp
03-06-2018, 05:04 AM
I like the green and white Lark in #29. That treatment really adds to the looks.

PackardV8
03-06-2018, 10:06 AM
OK, I know they never existed. This should be a little fun exercise. If it was available, what would be on the car? . . . . OK, so tell me what you'd add to this car but try to keep it to what was available to '59.


Mr. Vines & Lou; cuz it wouldn't been as much uva Lark then!

As much of a Lark as an automatic IV? The fantasy here was to take the parts bin as far as it could have possibly gone in 1959.

Studebaker's first try got it partly wrong, partly right; at least they did offer a V8 option. A few bought the cheap seats when the Lark debuted in 1959, but very few really loved how they looked or drove. But then so did GM, Ford and Mopar get it wrong in 1960. Cheap and slow were loved by too few.

But when the Big Three began adding bucket seats, turbochargers, V8s, 4-speeds, hardtops, convertibles, fancy trim, compact sales skyrocketed. Plain-janes eventually may find a partner, but the platinum blonde in the short, tight, low cut gown goes home with the rich guy.

This fantasy thread is a "What if Studebaker were the first to offer all the good stuff on the 1959 Lark?"

jack vines

Skip Lackie
03-06-2018, 04:01 PM
As much of a Lark as an automatic IV? The fantasy here was to take the parts bin as far as it could have possibly gone in 1959.

Studebaker's first try got it partly wrong, partly right; at least they did offer a V8 option. A few bought the cheap seats when the Lark debuted in 1959, but very few really loved how they looked or drove. But then so did GM, Ford and Mopar get it wrong in 1960. Cheap and slow were loved by too few.

But when the Big Three began adding bucket seats, turbochargers, V8s, 4-speeds, hardtops, convertibles, fancy trim, compact sales skyrocketed. Plain-janes eventually may find a partner, but the platinum blonde in the short, tight, low cut gown goes home with the rich guy.

This fantasy thread is a "What if Studebaker were the first to offer all the good stuff on the 1959 Lark?"

jack vines

Jack-
You raise an interesting question. As I recall, the 59 Larks were selling so well that Studebaker was actually working three shifts a day through much of the year. In other words, how many more could they have built? Put another way, would a sexier car have made that much difference? The convertible arrived in 1960, but by that time, so had the Corvair, Falcon, etc. If my above understanding is incorrect, someone correct me.

StudeRich
03-06-2018, 04:21 PM
I like the green and white Lark in #29. That treatment really adds to the looks.

IMHO, it worked MUCH better on a '59 Lark "W" Body 4 door or "F" Body 2 Door, than it does on the '61 Lark Cruiser "Y" body with the above the body line Moulding.

PackardV8
03-06-2018, 04:43 PM
Jack-
You raise an interesting question. As I recall, the 59 Larks were selling so well that Studebaker was actually working three shifts a day through much of the year. In other words, how many more could they have built? Put another way, would a sexier car have made that much difference? The convertible arrived in 1960, but by that time, so had the Corvair, Falcon, etc. If my above understanding is incorrect, someone correct me.

FWIW, if capacity limited, it's much more profitable to build the high end models. (Tesla has yet to deliver a $35,000 Model 3, but there are plenty of the $55,000 loaded cars.) Not new news; the profit margin was always much higher on the deluxe trim/performance models. The Big Three didn't really make money on those first 1960 strippers. It was only when the V8 hardtop/convertible sexy models came along that the Falcon/Comet/et al began to make money. When those morphed into the Mustang, Ford could charge a big premium for what was underneath the SAME OLD Falcon.

jack vines

8E45E
03-06-2018, 05:08 PM
Put another way, would a sexier car have made that much difference? The convertible arrived in 1960, but by that time, so had the Corvair, Falcon, etc. If my above understanding is incorrect, someone correct me.

The (once) Big Three compacts didn't offer convertible or hardtop models in 1960, and neither did Rambler. Studebaker had the domestic compact convertible market to itself that year. Of course, the postwar convertible market has always been limited, usually accounting for less than 7% of production.

Craig

56GH
03-06-2018, 05:32 PM
I still think this "Buzzard" is so darned cute! I wouldn't care what Studebaker V-8 they put into it!

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StudeRich
03-06-2018, 06:12 PM
[QUOTE=56GH;1099577]I still think this "Buzzard" is so darned cute! I wouldn't care what Studebaker V-8 they put into it!

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This thing is Totally 2018'ised! A better name, not Buzzard, not Lark, not Hawk, not Falcon, not Thunderbird, but EAGLE!

8E45E
03-06-2018, 06:24 PM
And with a Packard 374 dual-quad under the hood, a Pelican?? Or an Albatross?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqW_BZu5Xk

Craig

studegary
03-06-2018, 09:23 PM
The (once) Big Three compacts didn't offer convertible or hardtop models in 1960, and neither did Rambler. Studebaker had the domestic compact convertible market to itself that year. Of course, the postwar convertible market has always been limited, usually accounting for less than 7% of production.

Craig

I agree. It was 6.5% for 1960 Lark convertibles.

lumpy
03-07-2018, 09:35 PM
Back to post #29.. That is a good looking Lark. Looks like Aus. or NZ . Right hand drive , any more info on this one?

JRoberts
03-07-2018, 09:47 PM
I still think this "Buzzard" is so darned cute! I wouldn't care what Studebaker V-8 they put into it!

70825

That Lark is really cool. I love the look. Looks like it could be a great road racer with those bigger tires/wheels and bulgy rear fenders.

JRoberts
03-07-2018, 09:55 PM
I remember seeing( at a zone meet in Martinsburg,WV?) a '59 or '60 Lark with a Packard V-8 under the hood. I cannot remember whether it had one or two 4bbl carbs. The owner snickered a bit when he told about putting some "muscle" cars to shame. I also think there was a similar car at the Lancaster, PA International Meet. Now those looked like Golden Larks.

sals54
03-08-2018, 01:09 AM
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/IMG_0667-2.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sals54/media/IMG_0667-2.jpg.html)

Here's an image I put together long ago about using the 58 HT body with a Lark outer.
Perhaps this is how the Golden Lark may have been outfitted?
Depending if the picture gets posted. I have not used photo bucket for ages.

davepink53
03-08-2018, 05:03 AM
70872Re post #29. This Lark is an Australian car. It belongs to my son, Michael Pink. I bought it for his 16th birthday. We restored it together and he learned to drive in it. He still owns it and coincidently he has owned it for 20 years today. The trim on the side was added when new by the dealer.

sals54
03-08-2018, 02:12 PM
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/IMG_0667-2.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sals54/media/IMG_0667-2.jpg.html)

Here's an image I put together long ago about using the 58 HT body with a Lark outer.
Perhaps this is how the Golden Lark may have been outfitted?
Depending if the picture gets posted. I have not used photo bucket for ages.

I hate photobucket.

StudeRich
03-08-2018, 02:17 PM
Why are you still trying to use it Sal, it does NOT work! Just bring it from your computer.

sals54
03-08-2018, 09:59 PM
Why are you still trying to use it Sal, it does NOT work! Just bring it from your computer.

Yeah... I wish it were that easy. Most of the old pictures got lost two computers ago.

The picture I had was one of a 60 Lark with a 58 Hardtop glass section.

StudeNewby
03-11-2018, 04:55 PM
Yeah... I wish it were that easy. Most of the old pictures got lost two computers ago.

The picture I had was one of a 60 Lark with a 58 Hardtop glass section.

Ooooooooooh...I sure hope you find that pic!