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lelshaddai
02-15-2017, 08:20 PM
You guys always say you want pictures. Here you go. 1955 2 door wagon. Has V8 with 4 barrel. Been sitting since mid 80's. Engine does turn 360 degrees. Front floors rusted. Tailgate has rust along bottom. Fender rust and some rocker rust. Interior need makeover. Automatic trans. 4 glass panels broken. 99% of car is there. Missing a couple of emblems. Clear title. 3 owner car. One bought it in 69, then in 80 another bought it and it sat. Missing hubcaps. Wants 2800. What say all of you on value?:rolleyes:


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Mike Van Veghten
02-15-2017, 08:36 PM
As you know, 99% of that car rests on what condition the front pot metal is in.
The indicator corners look ok, but is there a crack in the center piece ? No fixing, another will be required if that center piece is broken. If all three pieces are not broken or bent, the rest of the car is good to $2500 easily

Stude International "used" to have the "Conestoga" script for the tail gate.
Looks like the belt line trim just behind the door, looks at least complete, probably faded I'd guess. Another hard to find in good shape part..!
The engine looking all there is good. Not much part hunting there.

Difficult to tell about the basic bodywork, but the tail gate looks a bit rough. They are around...sorta.

Wiring, brakes, exhaust, etc.
On one hand, there's a lot of work to be done, depending on how nice you want it. Wouldn't be too...bad to just get it running...engine, trans., rear end check, brakes, wiring, but still not going to be cheap, any way you cut it.

I've spent a small fortune on my second 54 wagon...and it was a running driving car when I bought it..! And that's without bodywork..!

All up, plenty doable, but quite a bit of work and money. But then again, I have seen much worse for more money.

Mike

PackardV8
02-15-2017, 08:49 PM
It all comes down to how badly you want a '55 wagon. That it's a V8 adds a lot for me.

jack vines

greyben
02-15-2017, 09:12 PM
Buying it for $2000 will seem like nothing when you start pouring a lot of money and time into it. Have fun.

StudeRich
02-16-2017, 01:48 AM
The Windows and Interior replacements being in need will definitely lower it's value.

Then there is that Detroit Gear DG-250 Automatic, it would be great if you could make it Parking Lot derivable to find out if it works.

jackb
02-16-2017, 07:00 AM
Assuming the car sits in AZ.... that region suggests an almost worthless car. I've seen more solid cars back east here.... This 2 dr is in a hot category for restos, but since they are going to dump bookoo bucks into a car, more likely they wait for a more solid example... maybe like some new homebuyers: a teardown !(chassis to China, FLAP's crate, etc..) I'd wager any shop would easily burn through $5K in base body work. Shipping to most areas, vs. a buyer's trailer gets you into another $1200+. If this car was sitting in Maine, and a shade tree buyer with some body skills and mechanicals to match..... maybe $1500. to 2K. Personally, I'd ship a much nicer car from your neck of the woods and pay a few $K more..... But like they say: there's a seat for every bottom ! GL

Mrs K Corbin
02-16-2017, 07:26 AM
EWWWW RUST! I can live with anything else.

Engine, no biggie.
interior, no biggie.
Glass can be had.

Pot Metal can be recromed if not broken.

Rust! Bookoo bucks to fix .

clonelark
02-16-2017, 07:59 AM
For what it would cost to fix that car up, you could have a car that will drive anywhere and have money left over, V8 Auto original paint
http://i64.tinypic.com/2itsjeg.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/k56s7.jpg

4jc8z
02-16-2017, 10:11 AM
Okay clonelark, I'll bite, what is your asking price for your green '55?

jackb
02-16-2017, 10:52 AM
From a purely estimate point of view.... to get the aforementioned car to look and run like the green offering (?), you'd have to spend north of $15K all day long. However, I'm not saying the green car is worth that. That's a tough comp.

6hk71400
02-16-2017, 11:21 AM
"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory" Unknown author.

How many of us have fallen into the trap that I can buy a car and fix it up and it will be worth $XXX? How many of us have seen or been involved with a stalled project that turns out to be more than that which could be reasonably done?

My opinion only. Not more than $1,000 and walk away to look for another day

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ back March 5

studeclunker
02-16-2017, 12:27 PM
I agree with Bob, except for his quote, it's quite well known to be from Benjamin Franklin.

karterfred88
02-16-2017, 01:05 PM
I'd wait a few weeks, offer to tow it away for free. The labor to tear it apart for the number of usable parts easily exceeds any return for selling them. The cost to restore that vehicle, parts, plating, rust repair paint, upholstery mechanical overhauls, will easily exceed $30,000.00. Your money your choice.

4jc8z
02-16-2017, 01:38 PM
One other point I noticed looking at the AZ wagon photos. Maybe its just me or the lighting, but some of the photos look like scanned flim prints and not digital.

Also noticed, if the radiator is original, likely was an Vernon CA assembled car - Vernon cars had strengthening ribs pressed into the rad tanks to allow higher pressure cap.

StudeRich
02-16-2017, 04:46 PM
/Cut/Also noticed, if the radiator is original, likely was an Vernon CA assembled car - Vernon cars had strengthening ribs pressed into the rad tanks to allow higher pressure cap.

That is a typical 1955 Radiator as on ALL '55's.
Those are the type with the staggered vertical tubes for better cooling and CROSS (Horizontal) cooling Fins, not vertical style.

By 1957 Studebaker had switched to a different brand of Radiator I believe McCord, with smooth top tanks, "in line" Tubes and vertical stacked "Fins".

SN-60
02-16-2017, 04:57 PM
It needs a lot, but I LIKE it!:!:.....Ed Reynolds should have a NOS tailgate for it in his stock.

SN-60
02-16-2017, 04:58 PM
The Windows and Interior replacements being in need will definitely lower it's value.

Then there is that Detroit Gear DG-250 Automatic, it would be great if you could make it Parking Lot derivable to find out if it works.


Trans is probably a second gear start DG200 Rich.

bob40
02-16-2017, 07:17 PM
All the talk is about restoration.Yes,expensive.
Why not a daily driver.
The heck with correct interior work.Strip the bad stuff on the seats and try your hand at doing upholstery or bolt in some 60's bucket seats.
Rust repair? Wouldn't take much to repair that for a driver.No need for a high dollar paint job.
Fix it up a bit and drive the snot out of it.
Not everything needs to be a show car restoration.
Just my observation

Xcalibur
02-16-2017, 10:39 PM
Imho, far too rough to redo. It is hard to imagine the bucks it would take. Why not just buy a good one to start with?

But, I suppose if "rat rods" are your thing, this is certainly a rat to start with. :lol::lol::lol:

6hk71400
02-16-2017, 11:52 PM
Hey Ron,

I looked it up and you are correct, but it is also attributed to Aldo Gucci. So I just chose to put author unknown. I actually thought is was attributed to John Ruskin.

No matter. I don't want the car anyway at any price. Now a 56 Wagon, especially a Pinehurst, now you are talking!

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ by March 5

sals54
02-16-2017, 11:59 PM
I don't think its too rough at all. It depends on what you want as the end result. I love mine the way it is. I'm waiting for side window rubber, but the body is about done. Scotch brite on the rust and a clear coat will finish it off.
And to think I couldn't give it away for $1500 a couple years ago. I'm so glad I kept it. It gets more looks like it is than it ever would if it were restored. And all sorts of folks love wagons. It sorta sets peoples prejudice aside when it comes to old cars. The station wagons are favored by ladies, kids, young folks, old folks and even tatooed bikers love wagons. (no offense to tatooed bikers). But everyone loves it.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/FullSizeRender_zps6h2tdlu8.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sals54/media/FullSizeRender_zps6h2tdlu8.jpg.html)

jackb
02-17-2017, 07:48 AM
back to my original post..... rust free cars are a dime a dozen out west.....low value...

Blue 15G
02-17-2017, 08:15 AM
All the talk is about restoration.Yes,expensive.
Why not a daily driver.
The heck with correct interior work.Strip the bad stuff on the seats and try your hand at doing upholstery or bolt in some 60's bucket seats.
Rust repair? Wouldn't take much to repair that for a driver.No need for a high dollar paint job.
Fix it up a bit and drive the snot out of it.
Not everything needs to be a show car restoration.
Just my observation

bob40, I agree with your observation 100%.

Alchemist
02-17-2017, 09:09 AM
I have 800.00 in Canadian Tire money saved up.

Francis Prefontaine
Rollyview, Alberta

Quentin
02-18-2017, 12:39 AM
EWWWW RUST! I can live with anything else.

Engine, no biggie.
interior, no biggie.
Glass can be had.

Pot Metal can be recromed if not broken.

Rust! Bookoo bucks to fix .

Yes ! My thoughts exactly.

T.J. lavallee
02-18-2017, 12:23 PM
Rust is nature's way of saying, "Forget about it...this belongs to Mother Earth now."

sals54
02-18-2017, 02:18 PM
back to my original post..... rust free cars are a dime a dozen out west.....low value...

And that's why its always a good buy to buy rust free Western cars and pay the shipping. You'll get your money back on the nuts and bolts alone. Not to mention all the busted knuckles you'll have trying to free up a rusty hulk.

6hk71400
02-18-2017, 06:06 PM
Well let's get back to Jim's original post. Jim what do you think now? Is it going to join the fleet of your 51, 53 or is it going to sink away from the fleet?

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ back on March 5th.

lelshaddai
02-18-2017, 06:31 PM
I have been fascinated in the discussion. I see both sides of the story. Rust vs rust free. I purchased a 53 Plymouth Suburban 2 door wagon in Marana AZ a few years ago. Extreme rust but was all there. It needed floors, body supports, outside fenders rusted out. I got it running and at a Cruise in Phoenix some guy had to have it and purchased it. He wanted the body style. I was going to keep it as it was and drive it.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g432/lelshaddai/1953%20Plymouth%20Suburban/20120908_181532.jpg (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/lelshaddai/media/1953%20Plymouth%20Suburban/20120908_181532.jpg.html)

The 51 and 53 are on the opposite sides. The 51 was an AZ complete rust free car but was missing $1500 in parts. http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g432/lelshaddai/1951%20Studebaker%20Starlight%20Commander/2016-06-09%2015.50.31_zpsv1scsupo.jpg (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/lelshaddai/media/1951%20Studebaker%20Starlight%20Commander/2016-06-09%2015.50.31_zpsv1scsupo.jpg.html)


The 53 has rust but is complete and has a good interior and is a driver. I have the fenders to fix it someday but will just drive it right now. The floors and trunk were replaced, albeit not great.
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I like 2 dr wagons. I think he wants too much for it. To me it has the problem of rust and not being all there. One or the other I might take. I am currently doing a ground up restoration of a Metropolitan Convertible. I will not do this again. I do not need the prestige of a show car. I like to drive them.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g432/lelshaddai/1961%20Nash%20Metropolitan%20Convertible/2017-02-09%2015.31.45_zpscftormpl.jpg (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/lelshaddai/media/1961%20Nash%20Metropolitan%20Convertible/2017-02-09%2015.31.45_zpscftormpl.jpg.html)http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g432/lelshaddai/1961%20Nash%20Metropolitan%20Convertible/2017-02-10%2014.35.48_zpseku0hjwp.jpg (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/lelshaddai/media/1961%20Nash%20Metropolitan%20Convertible/2017-02-10%2014.35.48_zpseku0hjwp.jpg.html)


The wagon has draw for me but alas I will pass. (plus wife does not really want another car:) )

dannyo
02-19-2017, 06:57 AM
the 55 wagon does not look to bad to me , i dont mind rust i just always think of them as driver cars , i dont do engines, transmissions, or rear ends, so if one runs , & will drive i look at it hard, i can do a fair body work , puddy it up paint it , drive it or sell it , it is a little to high on price if i was intersted it would have to be around 1,200.00 ,just my 2 cents worth .